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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 23, 2022 10:12:50 GMT -5
The Kliq are an example of something being less than the sum of it's parts. Taken in isolation, each guy is smart, wise, usually self deprecating and fun to be around, put them together and every negative they have turns up to 11 and they stop thinking about anyone else unless they can get a cruel laugh at their expense.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 23, 2022 10:19:56 GMT -5
Yeah, that’s pretty foul. Folks always wanna act brand new when they people come around
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Post by pinja on Feb 23, 2022 10:26:10 GMT -5
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Post by sportatorium on Feb 23, 2022 10:47:15 GMT -5
Read the more detailed report on Cageside seats and even more context is added. Michaels is a jerk here, and I'm sure in the stupid old school way of doing things- he thought it was a "rib" and their private conversation was more important than ribbing him in front of the boys.
Waltman being the only one to thank them for taking the beatdown and giving them their moment says everything about the Kliq. Same dudes as they always were, especially when they get together.
As far as Dave Schilling goes. The Revival were written/booked/made to look like complete jokes for a long time in WWE. I'm sure they weren't super tight with the people making them look like idiots when they knew they had more to offer.
Shawn Michaels continues to be a "love the art, not the artist" for me.
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Post by eJm on Feb 23, 2022 10:50:46 GMT -5
As far as Dave Schilling goes. The Revival were written/booked/made to look like complete jokes for a long time in WWE. I'm sure they weren't super tight with the people making them look like idiots when they knew they had more to offer. I think it also has to be said that writers and agents are basically the people more likely to take the brunt of the abuse for the decisions made by Vince rather than anyone going to Vince about it because they’ll get told he’s busy or whatever. It doesn’t justify it at all but it’s in the same way as Vince saying “It wasn’t me, pal, it was (insert anyone else here)!” for firings or creative decisions or whatever.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 23, 2022 11:02:56 GMT -5
I wish there was a middle ground in wrestling land sometimes. Dax puts out his experience, and props to him for doing it because he's addressing a lot of stuff wrestlers don't talk about, and it turns into "SEE? SHAWN MICHAELS HAS BEEN AN ASSHOLE ALL ALONG! BRET HART IS BETTER! WE KNEW IT!" When in reality, it's really about Dax and his singular experience. I get RVD's had stuff to say too, but I feel like people are using this more as an opportunity to shit on Shawn instead of giving Dax credit for being open about the shit wrestlers deal with all the time. To someone's point in here earlier, it's good that most of this stuff has been phased out. You're surprised that in this story about a known dickhead being a dickhead, everyone's talking about how the guy was a dickhead?
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 23, 2022 12:00:02 GMT -5
The Kliq are an example of something being less than the sum of it's parts. Taken in isolation, each guy is smart, wise, usually self deprecating and fun to be around, put them together and every negative they have turns up to 11 and they stop thinking about anyone else unless they can get a cruel laugh at their expense. I don't think this is even entirely lost on a lot of them, either. I remember Nash at least once saying of one or two of the "HBK got his ass kicked after ___" stories that Shawn probably brought it on himself. You also get Triple H having to clean up Shawn's messes at times the same way Nash had to spend a number of years, as he put it, picking up the phone and every time wondering if it was going to be someone telling him Hall died. Just, really dysfunctional group to say the least. I think a lot of people have had friends where they realized it brought something out of them, like immaturity or a bit of chaos, but that is typically when you rethink that relationship and try to change it or lose it, or else you are left acting like an overgrown shitty teen.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Feb 23, 2022 12:07:48 GMT -5
If people get off on bullying, they don't change, they just change their methods.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 23, 2022 12:51:59 GMT -5
As far as Dave Schilling goes. The Revival were written/booked/made to look like complete jokes for a long time in WWE. I'm sure they weren't super tight with the people making them look like idiots when they knew they had more to offer. I think it also has to be said that writers and agents are basically the people more likely to take the brunt of the abuse for the decisions made by Vince rather than anyone going to Vince about it because they’ll get told he’s busy or whatever. It doesn’t justify it at all but it’s in the same way as Vince saying “It wasn’t me, pal, it was (insert anyone else here)!” for firings or creative decisions or whatever. I believe they even mentioned on their TIJ episode where they said they were miserable to be around because they were unhappy
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 23, 2022 14:47:49 GMT -5
The Kliq are an example of something being less than the sum of it's parts. Taken in isolation, each guy is smart, wise, usually self deprecating and fun to be around, put them together and every negative they have turns up to 11 and they stop thinking about anyone else unless they can get a cruel laugh at their expense. Yeah I think HBK, while still egotistical is a much better person now than he was in 1997 but when he hangs out with the kliq, it might bring the worst in him. I myself am the same way when I hang around certain people
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Post by wildojinx on Feb 23, 2022 15:20:55 GMT -5
Waltman seems to be the more easy-going member of the Kliq. Even Eddie Guerrero got along with him (and bear in mind Eddie thought Nash was evil, his words, not mine), though they were friends before WCW.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 23, 2022 16:40:41 GMT -5
I think people tend to look at famous people (and maybe others too) in black and white terms, as someone either being good or being rotten, when there’s a lot in between.
It can be true that HBK is a much better person now than he was in 1996-2000, and that he is still sometimes a dick in certain situations. It can be true that he is a born-again Christian (and that he’s not a fraud/pretending) and that he is still not a saint in all interactions. These things are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by Brickstone Kid on Feb 23, 2022 18:25:55 GMT -5
So Jericho was right all along!
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Post by koreycaskets on Feb 23, 2022 18:58:53 GMT -5
Just because a person says they found god, doesn't mean they still can't be a prick.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Feb 23, 2022 19:00:28 GMT -5
This is why I amazed The Rock never forgot what ol' HBK tried to do to him back in 1997.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 23, 2022 19:15:09 GMT -5
Waltman seems to be the more easy-going member of the Kliq. Even Eddie Guerrero got along with him (and bear in mind Eddie thought Nash was evil, his words, not mine), though they were friends before WCW. Sobriety did a lot for Waltman. Like, he was never one of the guys I have heard a lot of bad shit about, but he definitely is someone I hear put over specifically as a good dude in recent years.
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Post by SpillBeans316 on Feb 23, 2022 20:23:35 GMT -5
Waltman seems to be the more easy-going member of the Kliq. Even Eddie Guerrero got along with him (and bear in mind Eddie thought Nash was evil, his words, not mine), though they were friends before WCW. Sobriety did a lot for Waltman. Like, he was never one of the guys I have heard a lot of bad shit about, but he definitely is someone I hear put over specifically as a good dude in recent years. I remember seeing a video a few years ago of an NWO meet and greet with Hall, Nash, Waltman and Bischoff. Fans were coming in to take a photo with all four guys. Hall and Nash might as well have been somewhere else, just having there own conversation as these fans come up, just looking away quick enough to flash the Wolfpac sign and take the photo and barely acknowledging the fans presence. I wondered how much these fans paid to be ignored. Bischoff seemed to try, but Waltman was a whole other level. He is all smiles and greeting the fans as they walk up, shaking hands and being very engaging. My respect for him went way up after watching that.
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Post by A damn road sign on Feb 23, 2022 21:41:00 GMT -5
Sobriety did a lot for Waltman. Like, he was never one of the guys I have heard a lot of bad shit about, but he definitely is someone I hear put over specifically as a good dude in recent years. I remember seeing a video a few years ago of an NWO meet and greet with Hall, Nash, Waltman and Bischoff. Fans were coming in to take a photo with all four guys. Hall and Nash might as well have been somewhere else, just having there own conversation as these fans come up, just looking away quick enough to flash the Wolfpac sign and take the photo and barely acknowledging the fans presence. I wondered how much these fans paid to be ignored. Bischoff seemed to try, but Waltman was a whole other level. He is all smiles and greeting the fans as they walk up, shaking hands and being very engaging. My respect for him went way up after watching that. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Sean Waltman at a comic con a few years back and he’s quite possibly the nicest most personable wrestler I’ve ever met. Me and my friend stood around at his table during a quiet period just shooting the shit with him for half an hour or so and he couldn’t have been any nicer. Even remembered our names when we met up again for our photo op later that day when he’d probably spoken to dozens of other people in between then. I messed up my photo so he had the photographer retake it just so I got it done right. Great guy, well worth your time if you ever get the chance to catch him at a signing or appearance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 22:05:58 GMT -5
Yeah, Waltman seems cool. I usually enjoy reading his opinions on stuff in WWE, too. He's the only Kliq member I'd really like to shoot the shit with (though I did meet HBK when I was a kid and he was nice until he started making fun of me in front of his friends)
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 24, 2022 0:00:14 GMT -5
A more striking tidbit from the interview was Dax opening about when he started with WWE. They wanted him to start the day after his wedding. He asked for the start date to be pushed back two weeks for his honeymoon and they agreed. As the day gets closer, Canyon Ceman called to make sure he was ready for the original start date. Dax asked about the two weeks they agreed to and Canyon said all he could give him was an extra day. Dax asked his now wife and she said it was fine as long as they could still get married so he started right away.
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