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Post by hulksmash87 on Mar 12, 2022 10:39:41 GMT -5
Why didn’t they run a stadium show in 99-00?
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Post by Milkman Norm on Mar 12, 2022 11:20:27 GMT -5
Why didn’t they run a stadium show in 99-00? Probably because of the cost and having to book a building over a year in advance. Also remember that after XIX bombed financially they went back to arenas for three years. It wasn't until their revenue streams were such that they could run stadiums and maybe take a hit w/o hurting the bottom line much that stadium Mania's became the norm.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Mar 12, 2022 19:28:45 GMT -5
What I remember most about this show is close after showing up to work and seeing “Shane McMahon” on the resort guest list and I had to deliver the man’s pancakes. He had a hell of a shiner from the match with Vince. OK, but what about the question we all want answered: what kind of pancakes does Shane McMahon eat??
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Post by sungod2020 on Mar 12, 2022 19:45:29 GMT -5
Why didn’t they run a stadium show in 99-00? Probably because of the cost and having to book a building over a year in advance. Also remember that after XIX bombed financially they went back to arenas for three years. It wasn't until their revenue streams were such that they could run stadiums and maybe take a hit w/o hurting the bottom line much that stadium Mania's became the norm. My theory is that while the company was hot at the time and riding a wave of momentum, they were under the threat of competition from WCW and weren't comfortable taking a big risk by booking a major show in a stadium far in advance because they may not be able to maintain that momentum for that long. By 2000ish, the competition element was no longer a factor(WCW was suffering badly) and ratings were at an all-time high(though they were slipping a bit towards the end of the year, but that could also be due to the TNN switch) that they could afford to take such a risk and boy did it pay off. In many way, this show felt like WWF's last big hurrah. As others have said, it was seen as an end of an era and had that genuine feel to it. Not unlike today where the company hypes every second up as a Wrestlemania moment and says a new era is about to begin. The company was headed into uncertain territory after that that they couldn't prepare for. It was a case of all the stars aligning as well as the timing of WCW being bought up/MNWs ending that made everything come together. If anything, it was THE way to go out. They just didn't know how right they would be.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Mar 12, 2022 22:32:17 GMT -5
It was simultaneously the peak of the Attitude era and also the show that in retrospect shot the Attitude era in the head and buried it in a ditch.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Mar 13, 2022 0:20:06 GMT -5
What I remember most about this show is close after showing up to work and seeing “Shane McMahon” on the resort guest list and I had to deliver the man’s pancakes. He had a hell of a shiner from the match with Vince. OK, but what about the question we all want answered: what kind of pancakes does Shane McMahon eat?? Plain ol regular buttermilk pancakes. It was a private resort so I doubt the chefs were gonna make any fancy flavored hotcakes.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Mar 14, 2022 9:18:14 GMT -5
Why didn’t they run a stadium show in 99-00? Probably because of the cost and having to book a building over a year in advance. Also remember that after XIX bombed financially they went back to arenas for three years. It wasn't until their revenue streams were such that they could run stadiums and maybe take a hit w/o hurting the bottom line much that stadium Mania's became the norm. 98-99 were so hot not having Wrestlemania 2000 in a stadium still seems odd to me. Even then they couldn't get a sexier place then Anaheim? Like LA is right there.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Mar 14, 2022 9:58:40 GMT -5
They were late on the draw with the stadium shows relative to their popularity. So instead of having giant gates in 1999/2000/2001, we got them in 2001/2002/2003 so at least 2001 was a year they did it and it matched how hot the product was. And now you can thank Orlando for stadium shows being an annual thing now, they were very vocal about just how much money Wrestlemania brought to the city and now cities are eager to get a Mania, whereas before WWE had to pull more strings
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Post by Milkman Norm on Mar 14, 2022 10:14:50 GMT -5
Probably because of the cost and having to book a building over a year in advance. Also remember that after XIX bombed financially they went back to arenas for three years. It wasn't until their revenue streams were such that they could run stadiums and maybe take a hit w/o hurting the bottom line much that stadium Mania's became the norm. 98-99 were so hot not having Wrestlemania 2000 in a stadium still seems odd to me. Even then they couldn't get a sexier place then Anaheim? Like LA is right there. In retrospect it's probably better they didn't. Could you imagine that ending in a stadium full of fans?
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Mar 14, 2022 10:18:40 GMT -5
98-99 were so hot not having Wrestlemania 2000 in a stadium still seems odd to me. Even then they couldn't get a sexier place then Anaheim? Like LA is right there. In retrospect it's probably better they didn't. Could you imagine that ending in a stadium full of fans? I mean idk they'd do the same ending at that point. Sure in LA or NY or whatever but not in a stadium.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 14, 2022 11:09:57 GMT -5
Only main event when you had Mega Star vs Mega Star, others had mega star vs rising star of megastar vs fading star etc.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 14, 2022 11:12:08 GMT -5
Why didn’t they run a stadium show in 99-00? Probably because of the cost and having to book a building over a year in advance. Also remember that after XIX bombed financially they went back to arenas for three years. It wasn't until their revenue streams were such that they could run stadiums and maybe take a hit w/o hurting the bottom line much that stadium Mania's became the norm. Is that true? I really don’t think that’s why they went to arenas. I think they were dead set on NYC(especially MSG for XX), LA and Chicago even though it meant downsizing. None of which had the facilities or climate to accommodate mania in a stadium
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Post by Milkman Norm on Mar 14, 2022 11:38:31 GMT -5
Probably because of the cost and having to book a building over a year in advance. Also remember that after XIX bombed financially they went back to arenas for three years. It wasn't until their revenue streams were such that they could run stadiums and maybe take a hit w/o hurting the bottom line much that stadium Mania's became the norm. Is that true? I really don’t think that’s why they went to arenas. I think they were dead set on NYC(especially MSG for XX), LA and Chicago even though it meant downsizing. None of which had the facilities or climate to accommodate mania in a stadium I had read that it didn't do as well as hoped. It's possible there was no correlation.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Mar 14, 2022 13:14:15 GMT -5
Only main event when you had Mega Star vs Mega Star, others had mega star vs rising star of megastar vs fading star etc. My first post!! But I had to disagree with this hard. WM3 & WM5 but were mega star VS mega star. Also, unpopular opinion, but this is the most overrated Mania ever. 18 and 19 both blows this out of the water. Id argue 30 is the greatest Mania ever.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 14, 2022 13:17:54 GMT -5
Only main event when you had Mega Star vs Mega Star, others had mega star vs rising star of megastar vs fading star etc. My first post!! But I had to disagree with this hard. WM3 & WM5 but were mega star VS mega star. Also, unpopular opinion, but this is the most overrated Mania ever. 18 and 19 both blows this out of the water. Id argue 30 is the greatest Mania ever. I should clarify- my definition of Mega star- huge act at their peak of popularity. I can see the argument for mania 5, but I’d say mania 3 was Mega Star vs Fading Star,
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Mar 14, 2022 13:22:53 GMT -5
My first post!! But I had to disagree with this hard. WM3 & WM5 but were mega star VS mega star. Also, unpopular opinion, but this is the most overrated Mania ever. 18 and 19 both blows this out of the water. Id argue 30 is the greatest Mania ever. I should clarify- my definition of Mega star- huge act at their peak of popularity. I can see the argument for mania 5, but I’d say mania 3 was Mega Star vs Fading Star, I'd concede that point. Andre was definitely fading. But 5 is def the peak of Hogan and Savage.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Mar 14, 2022 20:18:20 GMT -5
The Gimmick Battle Royal
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Post by flowercity on Mar 14, 2022 22:27:21 GMT -5
I should clarify- my definition of Mega star- huge act at their peak of popularity. I can see the argument for mania 5, but I’d say mania 3 was Mega Star vs Fading Star, I'd concede that point. Andre was definitely fading. But 5 is def the peak of Hogan and Savage. So is VI with Hogan and Warrior. Gimmick Battle Royal was so great. Now the WWE takes everything I liked about that match and tries to get 4 separate matches out of it.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Mar 14, 2022 22:47:50 GMT -5
When the Radicalz broke up again in late February/early March it seemed like Benoit was going face and would have a blowoff match with Eddie at X7 but then they just had it on a random Raw and Benoit's match with Angle was only set up on the go-home show (which was obviously completely overshadowed by the WCW purchase).
Is it known if Benoit v Eddie was ever actually planned for the PPV and if so what would Angle have done? By process of elimination you could say Test but that would've been way below Angle's level after the year he had. It was weird because Angle was still wrestling Rock and Austin in tag/handicap main event matches on a weekly basis until the week before the show. I don't know why they took so long to get the ball rolling with him and Benoit.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Mar 14, 2022 23:33:54 GMT -5
I'd concede that point. Andre was definitely fading. But 5 is def the peak of Hogan and Savage. So is VI with Hogan and Warrior. Gimmick Battle Royal was so great. Now the WWE takes everything I liked about that match and tries to get 4 separate matches out of it. Eh, I'd argue Warrior was an up and comer. Sure, with hindsight, this was his peak, but at the time it was more of THE GUY facing the NEXT BIG THING.
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