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Post by eJm on Mar 15, 2022 4:11:20 GMT -5
I mean it's a hall of fame for a made up sport so... I don't get anyone getting all in a tizzy over who deserves to be there. I mean, I can get it in the sense that it's still a Hall of Fame for an industry. Regardless of its a made up sport or not, there still has to be a standard to hit to get into it and a method to the madness as such. I have nothing against it in the principle of the WWE Hall of Fame AKA Who Vince feels like honoring this year but if you were going to try and get Queen Sharmell in the Wrestling Observer HOF or most others, you'd probably be laughed out of there since there are different guidelines and ways of judging who goes in.
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Post by clifford on Mar 15, 2022 4:36:56 GMT -5
Would you not be super embarrassed to accept this if you're Sharmell? The imposter syndrome alone would drive me insane. How can you stand up there in front of everyone and be like 'yep....I belong here'
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Mar 15, 2022 6:16:39 GMT -5
If you're upset about this, wait till they induct Sheltons Mum.
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Post by facethatrunstheplace on Mar 15, 2022 6:27:05 GMT -5
I like Sharmell but man if they were going that route surely Jazz is far far deserving due to her being a multi time womens champ,competing and winning at a wrestlemania and being a huge influence on womens wrestling for years? It's hard to even say what Sharmell has done that warrants being a hall of famer. Jazz doesn't seem to get on well with WWE and was in that CTE fiasco. And yes I thought of her too. She would be willing to work with them again, but she hasn't heard from them. And for all of the people who said that Torrie Wilson was a weak induction, keep in mind that the WWE has been referring to Summer Rae as a WWE legend. So she'll be a future induction sometime within the next few years. I can't think of anything that she's done that was WWE hall of fame worthy.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 15, 2022 6:52:06 GMT -5
Yeah I never want to hear the 'but Koko made it in' argument ever again Should never have been an issue, honestly. He wasn't pushed, but was always on most shows of the time and like I said, is probably still remembered by 80s fans.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 15, 2022 7:15:13 GMT -5
Well on somewhat quieter topics, of course Booker will induct her. So maybe at least funny King Booker schtick?
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 15, 2022 7:17:53 GMT -5
Jazz doesn't seem to get on well with WWE and was in that CTE fiasco. And yes I thought of her too. She would be willing to work with them again, but she hasn't heard from them. And for all of the people who said that Torrie Wilson was a weak induction, keep in mind that the WWE has been referring to Summer Rae as a WWE legend. So she'll be a future induction sometime within the next few years. I can't think of anything that she's done that was WWE hall of fame worthy. Which reminds me...of the inductees and rumored ones so far...notice that they're all from the 90s and up. Which makes me wonder if WWE is (being made to be) distancing themselves from earlier times? We already talked about the problems (alleged or otherwise) with acknowledging women from that time, and as I also mentioned, it's almost been a year since the Peacock deal and when we noticed that NBC was, um, scrutinizing older footage.
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Post by papagiorgio on Mar 15, 2022 8:01:58 GMT -5
Even though there are people like Torrie Wilson and Koko B Ware and some others that I don't feel are close to HOF worthy, I can at least come up with some weak arguments for them like Ware's popularity despite being a JTTS and the Piledriver album or Wilson being used as major promotional material via Playboy and PPV posters. Sharmell might be the first where I can think of none. I know it is a HOF for a make believe sport that doesn't even have a physical building and signing a legends contract seems the biggest qualification, but it just feels this nomination truly means they will put anyone in.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Mar 15, 2022 8:24:25 GMT -5
I really want to defend this as I want a black woman in wrestling to get her flowers but man...I got nothing.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 15, 2022 8:27:08 GMT -5
Yeah I never want to hear the 'but Koko made it in' argument ever again Should never have been an issue, honestly. He wasn't pushed, but was always on most shows of the time and like I said, is probably still remembered by 80s fans. I agree, but let's not start this shit again! When I thought WWE were capable of having credibility, and that the HOF was one of the things they could make credible, I was totally pro Koko being in the hall. Between WWE, the HOF itself and Koko, I'd say he's the last of the three with any dignity left.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 15, 2022 8:27:48 GMT -5
Even though there are people like Torrie Wilson and Koko B Ware and some others that I don't feel are close to HOF worthy, I can at least come up with some weak arguments for them like Ware's popularity despite being a JTTS and the Piledriver album or Wilson being used as major promotional material via Playboy and PPV posters. Sharmell might be the first where I can think of none. I know it is a HOF for a make believe sport that doesn't even have a physical building and signing a legends contract seems the biggest qualification, but it just feels this nomination truly means they will put anyone in. All I got is 1) She lives in Texas, 2) It completes the Harlem Heat family, and 3) like I said above, sad to say, but she might just be the token POC.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Mar 15, 2022 8:39:15 GMT -5
I really don't see the big deal about Torrie Wilson either. 2002-2003 she was somewhat a big deal. The top Diva on smackdown. is she a Trish, Lita, Alundra, Chyna trailblazer? No, but I'd say that her career popularity doesn't pale in comparison to the likes of Ivory or Molly even though the latter two were "real" wrestlers. Yeah as a kid of the ruthless aggression era, I am not getting the Torrie hate. She was super popular.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Mar 15, 2022 8:59:27 GMT -5
She did more in TNA than she ever did in Wwe.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 15, 2022 8:59:58 GMT -5
With Terri, she may have been a possibility, but then you'd have to mention AEW's Dustin Rhodes and she is associated with that DSOTR Plane Ride from Hell episode.
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 15, 2022 9:05:10 GMT -5
I really want to defend this as I want a black woman in wrestling to get her flowers but man...I got nothing. Really wish jazz would get her due especially since she was instrumental in being a great heel foil to Trish. Not to mention having a long career and also being part of ECW
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Post by dirtyoldman on Mar 15, 2022 13:31:03 GMT -5
Koko must really be pissed off everytime there's a HOF induction that's disappointing or unworthy his name gets dragged up. I'm sure he got cheers from the crowd in his prime WWF days, his own action figure and was he in that Hogan cartoon as well? The Brooklyn Brawler was a heel at the same level as him, but people wouldn't complain if he got inducted (if he's not in already).
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 15, 2022 14:33:57 GMT -5
Koko must really be pissed off everytime there's a HOF induction that's disappointing or unworthy his name gets dragged up. I'm sure he got cheers from the crowd in his prime WWF days, his own action figure and was he in that Hogan cartoon as well? The Brooklyn Brawler was a heel at the same level as him, but people wouldn't complain if he got inducted (if he's not in already). Koko was above Brawler. Brawler was a straight Jobber. Koko was mostly a jobber to the stars, but he was really over and memorable. The only real thing I can say for Sharmell was the Queen gimmick certainly added to King Booker and getting people inducted from all spots on the card including managers is a good thing... hey maybe this will remind the WWE that managers can enhance gimmicks... but I doubt it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 15, 2022 14:38:49 GMT -5
I mean it's a hall of fame for a made up sport so... I don't get anyone getting all in a tizzy over who deserves to be there. I mean, I can get it in the sense that it's still a Hall of Fame for an industry. Regardless of its a made up sport or not, there still has to be a standard to hit to get into it and a method to the madness as such. my main point is more or less... literal all the accolades in Pro Wrestling are made up. You can say oh well they made the most money/ratings for the company but nobody does that in a vacuum, and it's also harder to say like did they or was it them as well as the rest of the card that drew people in. I mean the only real accomplishment that is like not really created wholesale is how memorable someone is or how much they did behind the scenes. So putting limits like how many titles did they win... or how many matches did they win... etc. etc. like a regular sports hall of fame seems really silly.
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Post by eJm on Mar 15, 2022 15:12:42 GMT -5
I mean, I can get it in the sense that it's still a Hall of Fame for an industry. Regardless of its a made up sport or not, there still has to be a standard to hit to get into it and a method to the madness as such. my main point is more or less... literal all the accolades in Pro Wrestling are made up. You can say oh well they made the most money/ratings for the company but nobody does that in a vacuum, and it's also harder to say like did they or was it them as well as the rest of the card that drew people in. I mean the only real accomplishment that is like not really created wholesale is how memorable someone is or how much they did behind the scenes. So putting limits like how many titles did they win... or how many matches did they win... etc. etc. like a regular sports hall of fame seems really silly. I wouldn't even be proposing limits with titles and the like but there still does have to be a line drawn somewhere about whose actually worthy to be in a Hall of Fame or not, even if the thing is something like acting, performing or pro wrestling. I wouldn't know where that line is myself and I'm not going to set up a HOF anytime soon but the simplest example I can think of is that you could genuinely make an argument that the Insane Clown Posse should be in the Independent Wrestling Hall of Fame. They set up a promotion, helped make wrestling seem cool for a time and had a thumb in the big three as well as other promotions. But the Ring of Honor Hall of Fame? The same place where they had one cameo and were booed out of the building? That just wouldn't be logical for that standard. And the thing with the WWE HOF is that there isn't a guideline or standard or a line. It's who Vince likes at that time and when Vince feels like they should be honoured. If Vince thought Jazz, Demolition and Raven tried to screw him in the concussion lawsuit, they ain't going in regardless of their actual credible achievements in wrestling.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Mar 15, 2022 16:02:12 GMT -5
Lol. What?
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