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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 20, 2022 0:33:32 GMT -5
Do I wanna watch one of the biggest shows of the year? Or do I wanna spend 8 hours on a train to Cymru again to watch some bullshit? đ€
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Post by oxbaker on Mar 20, 2022 0:48:37 GMT -5
You honestly think an appreciable amount of hardcore AEW fans in the US are going to now fly out of the US to the UK during Labor Day Weekend to attend this WWE stadium show? Canât imagine that number goes beyond hundreds of people (if that many). If WWE wanted to undercut All Out, theyâre doing it wrong. Do I think AEW won't be able to negate the impact WWE will have, not really. However I think you completely miss the mark on how big this will impact them. A major WWE stadium event in a place that hasn't seen a show like this in decades will draw in fans that would instead have made a weekend trip to Chicago for AEW. AEW is lucky they're hot and in demand, especially if they run a bigger building. Nevermind the attention it will draw being such a historic event. It'd be like NJPW/AEW/UK indie supershow being run the same weekend as WM somewhere outside the US, it's going to take fans that would have gone to WM a historic alternative that would affect WWE. And again, this is a historically proven tacitic that WWE uses to hurt other companies, there is absolutely no denying this. Just because there is a large distance between the shows doesn't negate their proven reasoning in doing these things. If you're fine with it, cool but acting like anything is different from the literal hundreds of times they have done is completely baffling. And yet Tony Khan is running ROH Supercard of Honor on WM weekend in the same city as WM. Guaranteed that will draw some fans who might otherwise go to Smackdown + HoF. You seem to take this very personally. AEW literally launched itself as an alternative to WWE, not âweâre going to promote wrestling and we hope people like our product,â but as a competing promotion â an alternative. You donât do that and then whine about competition. You wanna play, get in the sandbox.
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 20, 2022 2:03:26 GMT -5
Do I think AEW won't be able to negate the impact WWE will have, not really. However I think you completely miss the mark on how big this will impact them. A major WWE stadium event in a place that hasn't seen a show like this in decades will draw in fans that would instead have made a weekend trip to Chicago for AEW. AEW is lucky they're hot and in demand, especially if they run a bigger building. Nevermind the attention it will draw being such a historic event. It'd be like NJPW/AEW/UK indie supershow being run the same weekend as WM somewhere outside the US, it's going to take fans that would have gone to WM a historic alternative that would affect WWE. And again, this is a historically proven tacitic that WWE uses to hurt other companies, there is absolutely no denying this. Just because there is a large distance between the shows doesn't negate their proven reasoning in doing these things. If you're fine with it, cool but acting like anything is different from the literal hundreds of times they have done is completely baffling. And yet Tony Khan is running ROH Supercard of Honor on WM weekend in the same city as WM. Guaranteed that will draw some fans who might otherwise go to Smackdown + HoF. You seem to take this very personally. AEW literally launched itself as an alternative to WWE, not âweâre going to promote wrestling and we hope people like our product,â but as a competing promotion â an alternative. You donât do that and then whine about competition. You wanna play, get in the sandbox. I believe the ROH Supercard was set to run before he bought ROH out and he is just honoring that commitment due to tickets already sold and the venue already secured. You do realize it is also going up against a tv airing of Rampage too.
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Post by eJm on Mar 20, 2022 2:49:35 GMT -5
And yet Tony Khan is running ROH Supercard of Honor on WM weekend in the same city as WM. Guaranteed that will draw some fans who might otherwise go to Smackdown + HoF. I mean, that was booked well in advance by the last administration and indie shows doing stuff around WrestleMania weekend is not that different from events being held during Super Bowl weekend or NBA All Star weekend not affiliated with the organizations themselves. They know everyone going is for the main event so holding alternatives before going to that show makes sense since how much WM dwarfs everything else. Bringing that up as a counterpoint is weird. Especially since, as mentioned, the bigger issue was that itâs being run directly against a Rampage and is splitting Tonyâs time. I mean, nobody is saying they canât do that, just pointing out that they have a very wide history of doing this and itâs weird people are finding ways to justify it. And âitâs completionâ doesnât justify it because all it does is make WWE seem like they donât actually want completion which is weird when they keep saying that they consider themselves different from other companies to shareholders, the media etc. So then donât do stuff like that, it ainât hard.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 20, 2022 2:55:15 GMT -5
Do I think AEW won't be able to negate the impact WWE will have, not really. However I think you completely miss the mark on how big this will impact them. A major WWE stadium event in a place that hasn't seen a show like this in decades will draw in fans that would instead have made a weekend trip to Chicago for AEW. AEW is lucky they're hot and in demand, especially if they run a bigger building. Nevermind the attention it will draw being such a historic event. It'd be like NJPW/AEW/UK indie supershow being run the same weekend as WM somewhere outside the US, it's going to take fans that would have gone to WM a historic alternative that would affect WWE. And again, this is a historically proven tacitic that WWE uses to hurt other companies, there is absolutely no denying this. Just because there is a large distance between the shows doesn't negate their proven reasoning in doing these things. If you're fine with it, cool but acting like anything is different from the literal hundreds of times they have done is completely baffling. And yet Tony Khan is running ROH Supercard of Honor on WM weekend in the same city as WM. Guaranteed that will draw some fans who might otherwise go to Smackdown + HoF. You seem to take this very personally. AEW literally launched itself as an alternative to WWE, not âweâre going to promote wrestling and we hope people like our product,â but as a competing promotion â an alternative. You donât do that and then whine about competition. You wanna play, get in the sandbox. A) SCoH was booked and on sale before it was sold to TK. It's also running opposite his own televised product which will hurt him but there are contracts in places and tickets sold which he's wants to honor. As for the rest of your take on me, I don't take what is going on between AEW and WWE personally, that's wrestling, I've seen it before and I know I'll see it again which is my point. People ignoring history to benefit their own argument. I can't stand that shit, especially when people try and act like I'm the fool because they have to warp or ignore things to make them feel good about about their stance. It also sucks the f***ing fun out of this place dealing with the bullshit like this when it comes to AEW. Common sense flies out the window in favor FB/Twitter/YT comment bullshit where you'd rather take a shot at someone or make shit up instead of discussing things like you've demonstrated. So kindly, don't try again.
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Post by thehottag on Mar 20, 2022 5:03:37 GMT -5
Obviously WWE have done this to try & hurt AEW. How succesful or how blatant it is can be debated, but to suggest otherwise is either naive or willfully ignorant.
Thing is, I'm not even annoyed by it. WWE has always tried to our-muscle its competition, it's what they do. Getting mad at them for it is like getting mad at a lion for hunting a zebra. And hey, at least this is a legitimate way to compete. 'Check out our cool wrestling event' is perfectly acceptable compared to threatening PPV companies or calling the local fire marshall on the day of a rival show. So I don't see the issue with it, even though it's obvious what the intentions are.
Also, Cardiff is a perfectly fine place to hold an event. Big Capitol city with good transport links, large stadium with a retractable roof (useful in South Wales), it's a great venue.
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Post by oxbaker on Mar 20, 2022 12:46:06 GMT -5
And yet Tony Khan is running ROH Supercard of Honor on WM weekend in the same city as WM. Guaranteed that will draw some fans who might otherwise go to Smackdown + HoF. You seem to take this very personally. AEW literally launched itself as an alternative to WWE, not âweâre going to promote wrestling and we hope people like our product,â but as a competing promotion â an alternative. You donât do that and then whine about competition. You wanna play, get in the sandbox. I believe the ROH Supercard was set to run before he bought ROH out and he is just honoring that commitment due to tickets already sold and the venue already secured. You do realize it is also going up against a tv airing of Rampage too. ROH Supercard of Honor is in a 6,800-seat building. At most, assuming a sellout and every single one of those people would otherwise be sitting in front of a TV watching Rampage that night, itâs a drop in the bucket of lost TV viewers. (Not the mention they can DVR it.) On the other hand, those 6,800 people who are in Dallas for WM weekend would be potential attendees at SD/HoF in person. Thatâs actual gate revenue. Itâs also minuscule. Iâm sure SD/HoF will do fine. Just like the AEW PPV on the same weekend as a WWE event on the other side of the ocean at most makes a few rich people in the UK decide not to fly to America to attend the AEW PPV live. Generously, itâs a few hundred who might do that. Certainly not likely 7K, which would be, what, a third of the live attendance at the AEW PPV. I donât think either is a big deal. Others I guess think it is. Competition is good. People have long lamented WWE being a âmonopolyâ and not having competition. Well, competition works both ways. I think the wrestling world is big enough to have two big shows on the same weekend on different continents. As a wrestling fan, I think itâs good. Itâs a holiday weekend with two major shows. Makes it a major weekend on the calendar to enjoy a lot of good wrestling.
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 20, 2022 16:02:07 GMT -5
I believe the ROH Supercard was set to run before he bought ROH out and he is just honoring that commitment due to tickets already sold and the venue already secured. You do realize it is also going up against a tv airing of Rampage too. ROH Supercard of Honor is in a 6,800-seat building. At most, assuming a sellout and every single one of those people would otherwise be sitting in front of a TV watching Rampage that night, itâs a drop in the bucket of lost TV viewers. (Not the mention they can DVR it.) On the other hand, those 6,800 people who are in Dallas for WM weekend would be potential attendees at SD/HoF in person. Thatâs actual gate revenue. Itâs also minuscule. Iâm sure SD/HoF will do fine. Just like the AEW PPV on the same weekend as a WWE event on the other side of the ocean at most makes a few rich people in the UK decide not to fly to America to attend the AEW PPV live. Generously, itâs a few hundred who might do that. Certainly not likely 7K, which would be, what, a third of the live attendance at the AEW PPV. I donât think either is a big deal. Others I guess think it is. Competition is good. People have long lamented WWE being a âmonopolyâ and not having competition. Well, competition works both ways. I think the wrestling world is big enough to have two big shows on the same weekend on different continents. As a wrestling fan, I think itâs good. Itâs a holiday weekend with two major shows. Makes it a major weekend on the calendar to enjoy a lot of good wrestling. ok? I already knew all of that long post you just typed up, my point was I don't think Tony Khan would have run it in Dallas during mania weekend if it wasn't previous booked prior to the buy out
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Post by eJm on Mar 20, 2022 16:15:35 GMT -5
ok? I already knew all of that long post you just typed up, my point was I don't think Tony Khan would have run it in Dallas during mania weekend if it wasn't previous booked prior to the buy out Also that Tony Khan has himself said that he wasnât going to run any shows near where WrestleMania would be held because it wouldnât be beneficial for him. If he backs from that, well, weâll know but talent working there he doesnât have a problem with which you can tell from some of the cards that week.
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