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Post by markymark on Mar 20, 2022 12:34:01 GMT -5
TK is the numbers guy in the Jaguars, Shad is the one running that Football team.
As for shortcoming goes, pretty much the women division and how repetitive it feels a lot of times even though lately we got Rosas champ, Dark Alien Statlander.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 12:37:18 GMT -5
Inability to delegate will be his undoing. He's running two sports clubs, booking aew and soon he'll be overseeing ROH as well. He will burn out eventually so needs more people to carry the load. In reality unless you're Jerry Jones the owner of a football team isn't part of day to day operations. They hire someone to handle all that, now the Jaguars are guilty of hiring idiots to run their team though. Yeah from my understanding Tony has little to do with the Jaguars day to day...He is never really ever mentioned even on NFL reddit (Shad gets alot of the commotion) except for the fact that the fanbase despises him for mixing their football with all the "fake" wrestling drama.
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Post by bob on Mar 20, 2022 12:53:36 GMT -5
he needs to hire people to delegate responsibilities to
I thought this before he bought Ring of Honor, even more so now
he should also hire more talent relations people and some creative team members for both ROH and AEW - he's spread himself pretty thin as it is
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Post by pinja on Mar 20, 2022 12:58:42 GMT -5
I'm always prejudiced when it comes to billionaires and Tony gave me enough reason to be sceptic towards him outside of the actual business operation. Hence why I'm also sceptic if all the stuff I like isn't the product of the wrestlers' minds and of those with experience instead of Khan's booking. Like, it's great to have AEW, but I couldn't even go out of my way to nod towards Khan as a sign of achnowledgment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 13:04:27 GMT -5
he needs to hire people to delegate responsibilities to I thought this before he bought Ring of Honor, even more so now he should also hire more talent relations people and some creative team members for both ROH and AEW - he's spread himself pretty thin as it is I realize how this is going to sound... but he needs to be a bit more like Vince. Not Vince the sociopathic man child who re-writes everything 10 minutes before the show starts, obviously, but since you have 2 TV shows a week (one of which is live to tape), I can't imagine it would be hard to get a Regal, or an Arn, or Jake, or Daniels, or anybody who'd want to book, really, to have everything laid out to where Tony just edits it how he wants it. Maybe there's some back and forth, but it gets done in advance. Yeah, you'll always have things you'll have to book on the fly for, but being the creative "filter" as the boss is what he should really aim for. Remember the stories of how Vince and Pat used to book months at a time sitting around the pool? Something like that would be better for everyone's sanity.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 20, 2022 13:05:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Tony has very little to do day to day with the Jags. He will one day as I imagine he will essentially be the full team owner whenever his father passes it down or passes away. He does have a ton to do with Fulham and makes a lot key decisions there (which has been a mixed bag but he has made some good moves).
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 20, 2022 14:00:14 GMT -5
I've fallen off the bandwagon hard with TK in the last year or so, but I will say he has a mind for wrestling that is in some ways refreshing, but in other ways is so tropey it makes watching the shows difficult anymore. ( Well that and the lord and master of the AEW section has effectively killed the love I once had for the company) From interviews being constantly interrupted, to not striking on some people while the iron is hot to letting others languish longer than they should, to things not being able to happen organically because it HAS to happen at this time for no reason, to questionable booking decisions (Penta Oscuro comes to mind)... There doesn't seem to be much of a balance with him. I grown to find him very problematic as a booker. Granted he's not as insulting, and arrogant as Vince, but he I still think a lot of the success and accolades have gone to his head. Do I think he was Booker of the Year? No. I think Impact did a better job at doing cohesive storytelling and using the talent they have effectively. But that's obviously just opinion. That being said, he at least always comes off as genuine in media scrums and interviews, so while as a person I want to like him, we then have the stuff like Swole, and allegedly ghosting talent that makes me wonder. But he has WAYYYYYYY too many people, seemingly not enough delegation, and him being the booker for ROH is a huge ass mistake. See that bolded part, don't do this again. That is only adding to the problems. This goes for everyone.
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Post by oxbaker on Mar 20, 2022 14:06:32 GMT -5
Yeah, Tony has very little to do day to day with the Jags. He will one day as I imagine he will essentially be the full team owner whenever his father passes it down or passes away. He does have a ton to do with Fulham and makes a lot key decisions there (which has been a mixed bag but he has made some good moves). Maybe that’s part of the problem. He is the Chief Football Strategy Officer and Executive Vice President of Football Administration and Technology. There are exactly four people listed at the executive level in the front office and he’s one of them. If 25% of your top people “have very little to do with” the operations of the franchise (and he happens to be a nepotism ‘boss’s son’ hire), perhaps you aren’t doing things right. Of all NFL owners with more than two years owning a franchise in the last 60+ years of the league, Shad has the lowest winning percentage of all of them.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 20, 2022 14:13:21 GMT -5
Yeah, Tony has very little to do day to day with the Jags. He will one day as I imagine he will essentially be the full team owner whenever his father passes it down or passes away. He does have a ton to do with Fulham and makes a lot key decisions there (which has been a mixed bag but he has made some good moves). Maybe that’s part of the problem. He is the Chief Football Strategy Officer and Executive Vice President of Football Administration and Technology. There are exactly four people listed at the executive level in the front office and he’s one of them. If 25% of your top people “have very little to do with” the operations of the franchise (and he happens to be a nepotism ‘boss’s son’ hire), perhaps you aren’t doing things right. Of all NFL owners with more than two years owning a franchise in the last 60+ years of the league, Shad has the lowest winning percentage of all of them. I mean this is just how American football operates. Family members have high level positions in a number of football franchises. The Jags have had their issues but I think there's a lot of factors to it. And while that stat is true, there are a ton of teams that never sniffed a conference championship. They did. They've had pieces, just never were able to put it together for an extended period of time.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 20, 2022 14:19:43 GMT -5
Right now, his biggest problem is either he doesn't delegate enough or he doesn't delegate to the right people.
I also think he's quick to take things to heart and make an ass of himself in the process. In some cases, it isn't even reacting to what was said, but what was written about what was said missing crucial context. Like, the way he reacted to Big Swole's criticisms came off like he read about it on WrestlingNewzHotTakes instead of actually listening to the interview. It comes off like the wrestlers and rabid fans on social media who bash Dave Meltzer by quoting that stupid Meltzer-hating Twitter account rather than any transcripts of WOR or the Newsletter.
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Post by markymark on Mar 20, 2022 14:26:55 GMT -5
Right now, his biggest problem is either he doesn't delegate enough or he doesn't delegate to the right people. I also think he's quick to take things to heart and make an ass of himself in the process. In some cases, it isn't even reacting to what was said, but what was written about what was said missing crucial context. Like, the way he reacted to Big Swole's criticisms came off like he read about it on WrestlingNewzHotTakes instead of actually listening to the interview. It comes off like the wrestlers and rabid fans on social media who bash Dave Meltzer by quoting that stupid Meltzer-hating Twitter account rather than any transcripts of WOR or the Newsletter.
He never listened to the podcast, thats the thing. Swole said that AEW wrestlers went after her for the incident until she told them to listen to her podcast to understand what really happened.
It was weird how TK handled it, considering he handled it fine on twitter during that interaction with Yannick Ngakoue
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Post by oxbaker on Mar 20, 2022 14:44:59 GMT -5
Maybe that’s part of the problem. He is the Chief Football Strategy Officer and Executive Vice President of Football Administration and Technology. There are exactly four people listed at the executive level in the front office and he’s one of them. If 25% of your top people “have very little to do with” the operations of the franchise (and he happens to be a nepotism ‘boss’s son’ hire), perhaps you aren’t doing things right. Of all NFL owners with more than two years owning a franchise in the last 60+ years of the league, Shad has the lowest winning percentage of all of them. I mean this is just how American football operates. Family members have high level positions in a number of football franchises. The Jags have had their issues but I think there's a lot of factors to it. And while that stat is true, there are a ton of teams that never sniffed a conference championship. They did. They've had pieces, just never were able to put it together for an extended period of time. Are there nepotism hires in American football? Undoubtedly. Many of them, at least, are actual football people with a background in the game (although some are not). But how many people in American football are son of the owner, have one of four executive level positions with a title like EVP of Football Strategy and … have people saying ‘well he doesn’t actually do much the Jaguars, he’s a full-time (fill in the blank — in this case with ‘wrestling promoter’ but it could be ‘hotel owner’ or ‘auto racer’ and it would be the same thing) I’ll wager not many. If Shad wants to give his kid money, by all means give him money. Shad earned it, do whatever he wants with it. If he wants to make it possible for him to live his dream promoting wrestling, go for it. But don’t also hand him an important job in an NFL franchise and then allow him to not do that job — especially when you’re finishing in last place in the entire league year after year in a league that has a system (first overall draft choice) built in to create or at least boost parity.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 20, 2022 14:52:35 GMT -5
I mean this is just how American football operates. Family members have high level positions in a number of football franchises. The Jags have had their issues but I think there's a lot of factors to it. And while that stat is true, there are a ton of teams that never sniffed a conference championship. They did. They've had pieces, just never were able to put it together for an extended period of time. Are there nepotism hires in American football? Undoubtedly. Many of them, at least, are actual football people with a background in the game (although some are not). But how many people in American football are son of the owner, have one of four executive level positions with a title like EVP of Football Strategy and … have people saying ‘well he doesn’t actually do much the Jaguars, he’s a full-time (fill in the blank — in this case with ‘wrestling promoter’ but it could be ‘hotel owner’ or ‘auto racer’ and it would be the same thing) I’ll wager not many. If Shad wants to give his kid money, by all means give him money. Shad earned it, do whatever he wants with it. If he wants to make it possible for him to live his dream promoting wrestling, go for it. But don’t also hand him an important job in an NFL franchise and then allow him to not do that job — especially when you’re finishing in last place in the entire league year after year in a league that has a system (first overall draft choice) built in to create or at least boost parity. Off the top of my head: the Giants, Jets, Steelers, Texans, Broncos, Jaguars, and Cowboys are filled with nepotism hires in high-level positions who have other jobs besides "Football person." Besides the Giants and Steelers, whose family business is very much "the football business," and the Packers, who are publicly owned by the city of Green Bay, most NFL teams are basically playthings for the billionaire class.
It's probably a lot more than just those teams, too, but I'm not going to comb through the executive boards of every NFL team for the sake of a discussion thread on an internet forum.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Mar 20, 2022 14:53:44 GMT -5
He's doing too much blow.
Or not enough.
Whatever it is, it isn't getting AEW to the next level.
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Post by oxbaker on Mar 20, 2022 15:25:14 GMT -5
Are there nepotism hires in American football? Undoubtedly. Many of them, at least, are actual football people with a background in the game (although some are not). But how many people in American football are son of the owner, have one of four executive level positions with a title like EVP of Football Strategy and … have people saying ‘well he doesn’t actually do much the Jaguars, he’s a full-time (fill in the blank — in this case with ‘wrestling promoter’ but it could be ‘hotel owner’ or ‘auto racer’ and it would be the same thing) I’ll wager not many. If Shad wants to give his kid money, by all means give him money. Shad earned it, do whatever he wants with it. If he wants to make it possible for him to live his dream promoting wrestling, go for it. But don’t also hand him an important job in an NFL franchise and then allow him to not do that job — especially when you’re finishing in last place in the entire league year after year in a league that has a system (first overall draft choice) built in to create or at least boost parity. Off the top of my head: the Giants, Jets, Steelers, Texans, Broncos, Jaguars, and Cowboys are filled with nepotism hires in high-level positions who have other jobs besides "Football person." Besides the Giants and Steelers, whose family business is very much "the football business," and the Packers, who are publicly owned by the city of Green Bay, most NFL teams are basically playthings for the billionaire class.
It's probably a lot more than just those teams, too, but I'm not going to comb through the executive boards of every NFL team for the sake of a discussion thread on an internet forum. Other jobs in addition to their football positions or other jobs and they ‘have very little to do’ with the football franchise? If you have the rock-bottom worst franchise in pro football and your chief strategy officer and EVP of football administration (who should, by title and paycheck, be spending a considerable amount of his time strategizing about football and putting together the best possible front office team, which in this case would include firing the worst GM in all of pro football) literally ‘has very little to do’ with the franchise, you don’t think that’s a problem. Like I said, no problem with Tony running AEW. He’s obviously done a good job of it, whatever the criticisms might be. But hire a football guy to run football for the Jags. If Shad wants to give Tony money, go for it. But don’t give him money to not do a job that the Jags desperately need SOMEBODY to actually do.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 20, 2022 15:58:28 GMT -5
I don't really pay attention to the inner workings of the Jags because I don't care about them, so I can't tell you how much or how little Tony is involved with the day-to-day operations of the team. But Tony Khan's title with the Jags sounds like it's made up and more important than it really is without telling you what it actually means to the franchise. That said, hiring and firing of GM's and usually head coaches is almost always the principal owner's decision. Even if Tony's position was really important, it'd still be a decision Shad would make in every situation. Like, Jerry Jones' son Stephen is the CEO of the Cowboys, but Jerry's the one ultimately making the decisions about who is GM and head coach (and Jerry's the GM so he's not going to fire himself lol).
Most teams' fans aren't going to care about the middleman executives, either. Discussions about NFL administration down to coaching staff, GM's, and principal owner. You're not really going to go to say, /r/(insertNFLteamhere) and find a lot of threads about "The VP of Football Strategy is really f***ing up. He's gotta go!" Maybe with the Texans you'll see that discussion about that sort of executive, because of how hilariously unqualified he is in his position, but they're the exception to the rule.
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 20, 2022 16:19:43 GMT -5
I'd say the main ones are an inability to delegate and focusing too much on the long-term. Having a plan and an ending for a title reign is the best way to do it, but you also need to be willing to pivot. That he plans title changes so far in advance can be a weakness sometimes.
He could probably do with getting someone to work exclusively with the women's division too, although booking for that has slowly improved over the last few months and we do finally have multiple stories going.
As far as billionaire wrestling owners go, his shortcomings are fewer than most. I'll give him that!
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Post by Fake Jesus on Mar 20, 2022 16:22:12 GMT -5
The main feuds are methodically booked out and progress in a very regular, foreseeable way.
The midcard feuds aren't and often have numerous twists and turns. Isn't that a good contrast? Not when the on-the-fly booking is dog shit dismal and very very few people come out of midcard AEW feuds looking better than they went in. Classic example: Orange Cassidy vs Matt Hardy. Repeat x 20.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 20, 2022 16:57:36 GMT -5
Tony is far more likeable as a person than Vince is. But his has a LOT to work on. He's fallen for the Dixie Carter TNA when it comes to major announcements and signings. Yes its great to have once in a while but now its been like monthly or every other week we get someone new. No issues with signing talent when they have a ton of use. Now he need to focus on how to get the shows steady at a million+ in viewers weekly without having major announcements or debuts. He has plenty of talent to be able to do that but he has to do better with how he uses them. Instead of signing new talent, use the talent you haven't for months. Brian Cage for example, or Lance Archer again gone MIA. Is Miro still really out? He needs to have thicker skin when it comes to things. Like when someone criticizes you, he needs to know how to handle that better, and take it as ways he may need to improve on himself as a person or help your product. Does he have a man for wrestling? Yes. He is a good booker? He can be. Other times I question it. The match layouts at times is why we have these spots? Why are spots they should be match enders NOT? Times he needs to ask himself ok do we really need this for the match to be good? Example Thumbtack spots in the cage and with Punk and MJF? Was it needed it? NO. The Cage and the Dog Collar is enough. We don't need a run in or attacks in every match. He loves to book that too. Tito Ortiz? Snitsky? Ezekiel Jackson? Al Snow?
Not even close
The habit of keep having Major announcement for signings and ext. Not the talent who showed up. I don't recall them hyping the shit out of the debut of any of those guys but Ortiz.
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Post by oxbaker on Mar 20, 2022 17:00:00 GMT -5
I’d say the main problem I have with AEW booking — which is on Tony — is that I can look at the card and probably 90 percent of the time tell you who is going to win every match (with the exception of some of the multi-tag-team matches) and also tell you which are going to have ‘nobody really lost even though we have a winner’ finishes.
In short, it’s too predictable. Even on the PPVs.
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