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Post by Cyno on Mar 21, 2022 0:21:44 GMT -5
I think a lot of us can relate to Khan because he's a giant wrestling nerd and that describes a lot of us.
That said, he's also a trust fund kid who has never had to experience a second of what it's like to live paycheck-to-paycheck, so there's only so far that goes. He just sees the world in a completely different way than most people. Billionaire worship is also weird as f*** to me.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 21, 2022 0:46:24 GMT -5
I think a lot of us can relate to Khan because he's a giant wrestling nerd and that describes a lot of us. That said, he's also a trust fund kid who has never had to experience a second of what it's like to live paycheck-to-paycheck, so there's only so far that goes. He just sees the world in a completely different way than most people. Billionaire worship is also weird as f*** to me. Yeah I advocate against that billionaire or not. I feel like putting content makers and influencers on a higher plane so to speak is asking for trouble Relating to Tony Khan for being a wrestling savant is fine, that's cool that he was on message boards just like us back in the day, at show events when he was a kid, really deep into the business. Him having the money to do something a lot of us WISH we could do is fantastic... but he's not a perfect person and has yes lived a very different life than most peoples and that's just how it is. Has he had shitty times? Probably, he's a human being, doesn't matter how good you have it that happens to anyone, but it also shouldn't mean you treat them like you're best friends with them or "worship" them, or anyone, really... be entertained by them, hell be thankful for what they've brought to your life in some capacity, but know the limit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 3:20:23 GMT -5
This whole thread and subject is... wow. Just startling petty.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Mar 21, 2022 3:23:29 GMT -5
If he didn't have a Twitter account he'd be the perfect owner.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 21, 2022 6:59:19 GMT -5
This whole thread and subject is... wow. Just startling petty. It's like I said before, we need to stop doing threads where the whole purpose is to find things to get pissed off about. Its not good for the overall mood of the forum. Something happens that actively pisses you off? Sure, open a thread. Vague "hey guys let's find things to nitpick and argue with each other" threads like this aren't needed IMO.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Mar 21, 2022 7:03:18 GMT -5
"To me it is AEW's severe lack of logic, even in an illogical sport like wrestling. Fun as it can be, I yell at the screen like never before as a wrestling viewer." Damn. You dont watch WWE then? Last Friday the beast Lesnar was waiting for Roman to get out of the SUV before flipping it. Those are the things make me yell/laugh at the TV. And for TK, he can insult me, i will clap (same as attitude era Vince) You can not justify crap by say others are guilty of it, that is merely an excuse.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Mar 21, 2022 7:33:15 GMT -5
This whole thread and subject is... wow. Just startling petty. It's like I said before, we need to stop doing threads where the whole purpose is to find things to get pissed off about. Its not good for the overall mood of the forum. Something happens that actively pisses you off? Sure, open a thread. Vague "hey guys let's find things to nitpick and argue with each other" threads like this aren't needed IMO. I created this thread because I am curious of my fellow fans opinions on various subjects. I am nearing 50, but I am hardly a man who yells at clouds. Except outside Six Flags.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 21, 2022 7:46:52 GMT -5
It's like I said before, we need to stop doing threads where the whole purpose is to find things to get pissed off about. Its not good for the overall mood of the forum. Something happens that actively pisses you off? Sure, open a thread. Vague "hey guys let's find things to nitpick and argue with each other" threads like this aren't needed IMO. I created this thread because I am curious of my fellow fans opinions on various subjects. I am nearing 50, but I am hardly a man who yells at clouds. Except outside Six Flags. NXT 2.0 must be your favorite show then!! In all seriousness... I have always wondered who the oldest poster on the Boards might be or might've been (Maybe stopped posting here long ago), cause I wonder if that also would explain certain opinions or takes, or how others may respond in kind to them. That being said a message board is also a case for having a sense of anonymity, so we may never know. On the subject at hand, I will say, if we're gonna discuss stuff especially in a thread where we are actively going to be saying negative things, there shouldn't be well, negativity that is so egregiously off-topic and blatant, that a Mod needs to warn about such on page 2. I agree with Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! and @flaminghalo in the sense that when it comes to these threads, and all threads for that matter, there needs to be less of this, it brings threads down, not from you, the OP, who asked a reasonable question, but as a way for like, inherently negative feelings to come out that go beyond the topic of conversation. This is also why this section got a warning already from HMark, about these said situations. I'm also not saying that was your intention, either, I think outside of some outliers, this thread has been pretty chill, and subjective in opinions, I even answered it honestly. I do get the overall... sense of worry from some users when it comes to threads like this though, because things have gotten a bit tense lately.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 8:05:29 GMT -5
He's too much of a fan, even though that shouldn't be a problem.
He wants to sign every decent pro wrestler like he's fantasy booking a videogame, even if he doesn't really have a spot for them.
And how many people get big debuts and then arent seen again for a month or two?
Its just ridiculous. Focus on who you have, and bring people in either as needed, or when they are absolute must gets like Punk or Bryan.
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Post by dbrussel on Mar 21, 2022 8:22:34 GMT -5
"To me it is AEW's severe lack of logic, even in an illogical sport like wrestling. Fun as it can be, I yell at the screen like never before as a wrestling viewer." Damn. You dont watch WWE then? Last Friday the beast Lesnar was waiting for Roman to get out of the SUV before flipping it. Those are the things make me yell/laugh at the TV. And for TK, he can insult me, i will clap (same as attitude era Vince) You can not justify crap by say others are guilty of it, that is merely an excuse. Uhhh, yes i can. One company has 3 years old and the other 30+
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Post by bob on Mar 21, 2022 8:23:05 GMT -5
He's doing too much blow. Or not enough. Whatever it is, it isn't getting AEW to the next level. Hey, someone has to keep the Columbian economy afloat
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Mar 21, 2022 8:37:25 GMT -5
It's like I said before, we need to stop doing threads where the whole purpose is to find things to get pissed off about. Its not good for the overall mood of the forum. Something happens that actively pisses you off? Sure, open a thread. Vague "hey guys let's find things to nitpick and argue with each other" threads like this aren't needed IMO. I created this thread because I am curious of my fellow fans opinions on various subjects. I am nearing 50, but I am hardly a man who yells at clouds. Except outside Six Flags. Don't worry, I'll yell at clouds for both of us.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 21, 2022 8:40:15 GMT -5
This whole thread and subject is... wow. Just startling petty. It's like I said before, we need to stop doing threads where the whole purpose is to find things to get pissed off about. Its not good for the overall mood of the forum. Something happens that actively pisses you off? Sure, open a thread. Vague "hey guys let's find things to nitpick and argue with each other" threads like this aren't needed IMO. You can always ignore the threads. I dont think silencing non-trolling opinions isn't right either. If people get annoyed at nitpicks then they shouldn't be throwing stones at people who get annoyed at allegedly not being allowed to showcase their opinions
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 21, 2022 9:02:57 GMT -5
You can not justify crap by say others are guilty of it, that is merely an excuse. Uhhh, yes i can. One company has 3 years old and the other 30+ I think the point is, if the response to someone pointing out something they don’t like about AEW is to say “oh yeah, but WWE does that too but even worse!”, then you’re not really addressing the problem. That person may very well agree that WWE does do it worse and they don’t like that about them either.
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Post by Venti on Mar 21, 2022 9:28:26 GMT -5
He's too much of a fan, even though that shouldn't be a problem. He wants to sign every decent pro wrestler like he's fantasy booking a videogame, even if he doesn't really have a spot for them. And how many people get big debuts and then arent seen again for a month or two? Its just ridiculous. Focus on who you have, and bring people in either as needed, or when they are absolute must gets like Punk or Bryan. Pretty much what I came here to say. I get how him being basically a huge fan could be a good thing, but it also sometimes feels like a fan on their computer booking their fantasy promotion, which I don't necessarily think translates well to a real company. Also I think TK needs more people with experience in the business in charge of booking angles and matches.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 21, 2022 9:35:48 GMT -5
I mean is this a thread to say what Tomy needs to do better at? That's fair. I love AEW but there are things worth criticizing. Do I agree with everyone that posted a criticism? Not necessarily but everybody is entitled to an opinion especially if there is something they don't like. Example, someone said he doesn't like to have fun but I think most AEW shows are fun. Not a big deal, a lot of people were entertained by Chikara and a lot thought it was stupid. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder?
Is this a thread that will devolve into bashing to start arguments? That remains to be seen I think I've only seen one person post something bait worthy.
Discussing issues AEW needs to work on is cool, and even the staunchest of Homer's can agree with that, but let's not devolve this into a flame war
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 21, 2022 9:53:22 GMT -5
He's too much of a fan, even though that shouldn't be a problem. He wants to sign every decent pro wrestler like he's fantasy booking a videogame, even if he doesn't really have a spot for them. And how many people get big debuts and then arent seen again for a month or two? Its just ridiculous. Focus on who you have, and bring people in either as needed, or when they are absolute must gets like Punk or Bryan. I disagree on the roster at this point. Tony Khan now has a possibility to use wrestlers for: - AEW Dynamite - AEW Rampage - AEW DARK/Elevation And in some capacity: - Ring of Honor - DDT/TJPW - New Japan People being rotated in and out is good for the talent, using talent on DARK is good for the reps and keeping them fresh in fans minds, especially when in front of live crowds. Having a ton of different options for talent exchanges and in case people are hurt or need time off is simply not a bad thing, and outside of a few exceptions, I think a lot of people have been given good time at least somewhere on AEW programming, and may see more in other places now. That being said, I think he's slowing down. Outside of some potential women and what I would hope to potentially be Claudio or Joe in some capacity, I don't think he's gonna be in dire need of much more talent in the potential bag. Unless WWE releases another top tier talent for some ungodly reason Post-Mania, or say, someone like a Finn Balor leaves or they finally let Ali go...
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 21, 2022 10:06:43 GMT -5
He's too much of a fan, even though that shouldn't be a problem. He wants to sign every decent pro wrestler like he's fantasy booking a videogame, even if he doesn't really have a spot for them. And how many people get big debuts and then arent seen again for a month or two? Its just ridiculous. Focus on who you have, and bring people in either as needed, or when they are absolute must gets like Punk or Bryan. I disagree on the roster at this point. Tony Khan now has a possibility to use wrestlers for: - AEW Dynamite - AEW Rampage - AEW DARK/Elevation And in some capacity: - Ring of Honor - DDT/TJPW - New Japan People being rotated in and out is good for the talent, using talent on DARK is good for the reps and keeping them fresh in fans minds, especially when in front of live crowds. Having a ton of different options for talent exchanges and in case people are hurt or need time off is simply not a bad thing, and outside of a few exceptions, I think a lot of people have been given good time at least somewhere on AEW programming, and may see more in other places now. That being said, I think he's slowing down. Outside of some potential women and what I would hope to potentially be Claudio or Joe in some capacity, I don't think he's gonna be in dire need of much more talent in the potential bag. Unless WWE releases another top tier talent for some ungodly reason Post-Mania, or say, someone like a Finn Balor leaves or they finally let Ali go... I think as they figure out what they're doing with ROH that will solve some of the issues. I fully expect them to send some people this summer to DDT for their tournaments this summer so a lot less people will be just sitting around. Now one signing I think was kind of stupid at least initially was Jay Lethal. I get he's still great I the ring but dude was ice cold when he was signed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 10:13:53 GMT -5
I think a lot of us can relate to Khan because he's a giant wrestling nerd and that describes a lot of us. That said, he's also a trust fund kid who has never had to experience a second of what it's like to live paycheck-to-paycheck, so there's only so far that goes. He just sees the world in a completely different way than most people. Billionaire worship is also weird as f*** to me. Billionaires ain't your friend. I don't want to go into the weird wide and wild world of off limits discussions for this place, but I'll leave it at that. I do think he's a fresh, fan oriented promoter and booker, despite his shortcomings. His biggest drawbacks to me are a lack of organization and communication at a business level, which can be remedied by hiring people who specialize in those types of things. They don't have to come from the wrestling industry. A competent HR department would do wonders in terms of keeping things like the Chavo situation from happening. I do worry about roster bloat and a loss of identity as time goes on. Tony's picked up some talent that I can't blame him for picking up (Fish, O'Reilly, Cole, Keith Lee, Danielson, FTR etc.) but it's really hard not to see it as "Tony Khan books NXT" sometimes. Yeah, you've got the non-WWE guys (The Bucks, Omega, "The 4 pillars", Jade, Thunder Rosa, Hook, and the like) around, but I'd seriously be careful about signing much more in the way of WWE releases unless they're tippy-top guys that can still go that you'd be stupid not to snatch up, like a Rollins. Which leads me to... The roster bloat is real. Maybe ROH being around will help out with some of it, but you'll sometimes go weeks without seeing a talent on TV. Yeah, Dark and Elevation are a thing, but it's just not the same. Waiting for "in their prime" guys like the ones signed after the WWE has culled them to age out and retire has to stick in the craw of the hungry young guys that want to be on TV, too.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 21, 2022 10:20:26 GMT -5
I think a lot of us can relate to Khan because he's a giant wrestling nerd and that describes a lot of us. That said, he's also a trust fund kid who has never had to experience a second of what it's like to live paycheck-to-paycheck, so there's only so far that goes. He just sees the world in a completely different way than most people. Billionaire worship is also weird as f*** to me. Billionaires ain't your friend. I don't want to go into the weird wide and wild world of off limits discussions for this place, but I'll leave it at that. I do think he's a fresh, fan oriented promoter and booker, despite his shortcomings. His biggest drawbacks to me are a lack of organization and communication at a business level, which can be remedied by hiring people who specialize in those types of things. They don't have to come from the wrestling industry. A competent HR department would do wonders in terms of keeping things like the Chavo situation from happening. I do worry about roster bloat and a loss of identity as time goes on. Tony's picked up some talent that I can't blame him for picking up (Fish, O'Reilly, Cole, Keith Lee, Danielson, FTR etc.) but it's really hard not to see it as "Tony Khan books NXT" sometimes. Yeah, you've got the non-WWE guys (The Bucks, Omega, "The 4 pillars", Jade, Thunder Rosa, Hook, and the like) around, but I'd seriously be careful about signing much more in the way of WWE releases unless they're tippy-top guys that can still go that you'd be stupid not to snatch up, like a Rollins. Which leads me to... The roster bloat is real. Maybe ROH being around will help out with some of it, but you'll sometimes go weeks without seeing a talent on TV. Yeah, Dark and Elevation are a thing, but it's just not the same. Waiting for "in their prime" guys like the ones signed after the WWE has culled them to age out and retire has to stick in the craw of the hungry young guys that want to be on TV, too. The irony on the disorganization at least to me came when Tony took a backseat to Cody in creative. Now there are obviously other mistakes since then which you pointed out and I agree with. I personally think at least on screen that has improved with Christian, Matt Hardy, Paul Wight, William Regal, and Mark Henry. And I agree Tony needs to delegate more especially since he runs Fulham, has a sports analytics company, and has some hand in running the Jags.
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