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Post by Main Event Mark on Mar 23, 2022 20:39:34 GMT -5
Baron Corbin (not current Happy Corbin) would be a great world champion.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Mar 23, 2022 20:55:14 GMT -5
I really want The Miz to go away
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Mar 23, 2022 21:07:30 GMT -5
I miss Mauro Ranallo on commentary.
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Post by Ozman on Mar 23, 2022 21:12:07 GMT -5
The program isn't nearly as bad as people think it is. They just overexaggerate, hate watch and are filled with negativity so it seems much worse in a vacuum. Me, I mostly watch away from others and I've noticed that my experience is just far better when not around all the harmful comments. It's not amazing but it's definitely not the worse thing ever. If it was dudes wouldn't be watching. I feel this way too. I seem to enjoy WWE shows much better when either watching alone or with casual fans. It’s the die hard fans that seem to hate everything WWE. Sometimes I will legitimately enjoy a show, then come to this board afterwards, and 80 percent of the people on here will hate it.
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Post by Tiffany Stratton's Daddy on Mar 23, 2022 21:31:08 GMT -5
I miss Mauro Ranallo on commentary. Same bro I'll take him over Jimmy Smith any day
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 23, 2022 21:36:27 GMT -5
I don’t know if this is unpopular for not, but the Cena 8-bit shirt is the greatest wrestling shirt since Roddy’s Hot Rod shirt. And I think that's his second best shirt, his best shirt? The original Rise Above Hate shirt.
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Post by Fade on Mar 23, 2022 22:11:50 GMT -5
The draft should die. And if the draft continues, there should be one WWE champion and RAW/SD titles should be made.
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Post by government mule on Mar 24, 2022 1:18:43 GMT -5
I miss Mauro Ranallo on commentary. I hated some of his cringe references, but he would have been great in the no-crowd era, his over-enthusiasm would have made up for a lack of soul in the arena.
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Post by ppl591 on Mar 24, 2022 1:26:51 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain it's unpopular but unironically nxt 2.0 is my favorite wrestling show on television right now. And I say that as someone who adored black and gold nxt
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 24, 2022 1:37:28 GMT -5
With a few slight tweaks to focus, WWE's got a better main event scene than AEW. The issue is... they're not gonna even slightly tweak it... Roman's gonna hold that belt till our Grandkids watch him in his new Shiny Romantron 5000 body as he successfully defends it again In AEW though it's also because a lot of the Main Eventers are in their own separate storylines away from the title right now (And Kenny's healing), which is where I can see where you're coming from. If the upper bowl of that roster were all at once gunning for that world title, it'd be one of the most stacked main event rosters in history imo. In WWE, it kinda falls under a similar principle... Roman about to have two belts, Lesnar still a main focus, McIntyre's slumming it with Happy Corbin, Lashley's hurt, Styles and Edge are fighting each other, Owens and Rollins are "struggling to get on Mania", Big E even before injury was relegated to the tag scene again... there is a GOOD main event scene to be had here... if they gave some more shits to run it, the sad part is, it feels like a lot of them aren't even doing anything meaningful on the card without going for the big belt(s), which is where it differs for me.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Mar 24, 2022 2:06:45 GMT -5
WWE isn't at its worst when it's egregiously terrible, it's at its worst when it's formulaically mediocre. Objectively awful shit like Retribution and RAW Underground still makes better viewing than watching the same dozen or so competent, relatively-pushed wrestlers cycle through trading wins with each other in rote angles while commentary parrots the same rote lines they've all been doing and saying since the turn of the century.
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Post by Timeless Hayterade on Mar 24, 2022 2:26:43 GMT -5
I was fine with Triple H winning the Elimination Chamber match in 2003.
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Post by sabretooth on Mar 24, 2022 2:48:58 GMT -5
Vince probably isn't a literal devil.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 24, 2022 3:00:23 GMT -5
WWE isn't at its worst when it's egregiously terrible, it's at its worst when it's formulaically mediocre. Objectively awful shit like Retribution and RAW Underground still makes better viewing than watching the same dozen or so competent, relatively-pushed wrestlers cycle through trading wins with each other in rote angles while commentary parrots the same rote lines they've all been doing and saying since the turn of the century. RAW Underground was bad in an interesting way, here's Shane hosting this fight club that sticks out like a sore thumb and has nothing to do with the main show outside of Bobby Lashley crashing the place on one episode and never appearing there again.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 24, 2022 3:26:38 GMT -5
With a few slight tweaks to focus, WWE's got a better main event scene than AEW. The issue is... they're not gonna even slightly tweak it... Roman's gonna hold that belt till our Grandkids watch him in his new Shiny Romantron 5000 body as he successfully defends it again In AEW though it's also because a lot of the Main Eventers are in their own separate storylines away from the title right now (And Kenny's healing), which is where I can see where you're coming from. If the upper bowl of that roster were all at once gunning for that world title, it'd be one of the most stacked main event rosters in history imo. In WWE, it kinda falls under a similar principle... Roman about to have two belts, Lesnar still a main focus, McIntyre's slumming it with Happy Corbin, Lashley's hurt, Styles and Edge are fighting each other, Owens and Rollins are "struggling to get on Mania", Big E even before injury was relegated to the tag scene again... there is a GOOD main event scene to be had here... if they gave some more shits to run it, the sad part is, it feels like a lot of them aren't even doing anything meaningful on the card without going for the big belt(s), which is where it differs for me. I think we need to figure out what kind of healthy main event picture we want. The common link is "multiple credible challengers all gunning for the champ", but like how do we present the champion? Nobody likes them being literally invulnerable, but at the same time, nobody seems to like it when they're actually vulnerable. Do we even want one strong champion, or do we want everyone to get a turn with the shiny toy like pass-the-parcel? Multiple credible challengers... where do they get their credibility from? Hang on, we're supposed to protect the midcard from losing too, right? And the tag division as well? Let's bring in some outside enhancement talents, that'll solve things, until people eventually pick up on the fact that half the roster only wins over enhancement talents, therefore they still aren't actually credible at all and that kills any effectiveness of the concept dead. Like, I get WWE has so many problems, I really do, but when you actually lay them all out on the table it's like... Where do you even start trying to solve it? The clean losses thing just gives me a headache every time I try to figure it out because nobody actually wants their favourite talent to lose at all, but nobody likes them winning all the time without a challenge, either. It's unfulfilling. Every solution to some problem seems to exacerbate some other problem or create a new one. Even AEW is starting to run into these issues because, even with the creative freedom and such, a lot of people are still finding that their favourite talents aren't being booked enough and/or aren't winning enough. Sorry to vent, it's just frustrating. If we as a fanbase could just determine the one BIGGEST problem with WWE (that isn't Vince himself as a whole, unfortunately) and figure out how to solve that, then we could actually f***ing get somewhere.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 24, 2022 3:50:45 GMT -5
The issue is... they're not gonna even slightly tweak it... Roman's gonna hold that belt till our Grandkids watch him in his new Shiny Romantron 5000 body as he successfully defends it again In AEW though it's also because a lot of the Main Eventers are in their own separate storylines away from the title right now (And Kenny's healing), which is where I can see where you're coming from. If the upper bowl of that roster were all at once gunning for that world title, it'd be one of the most stacked main event rosters in history imo. In WWE, it kinda falls under a similar principle... Roman about to have two belts, Lesnar still a main focus, McIntyre's slumming it with Happy Corbin, Lashley's hurt, Styles and Edge are fighting each other, Owens and Rollins are "struggling to get on Mania", Big E even before injury was relegated to the tag scene again... there is a GOOD main event scene to be had here... if they gave some more shits to run it, the sad part is, it feels like a lot of them aren't even doing anything meaningful on the card without going for the big belt(s), which is where it differs for me. I think we need to figure out what kind of healthy main event picture we want. The common link is "multiple credible challengers all gunning for the champ", but like how do we present the champion? Nobody likes them being literally invulnerable, but at the same time, nobody seems to like it when they're actually vulnerable. Do we even want one strong champion, or do we want everyone to get a turn with the shiny toy like pass-the-parcel? Multiple credible challengers... where do they get their credibility from? Hang on, we're supposed to protect the midcard from losing too, right? And the tag division as well? Let's bring in some outside enhancement talents, that'll solve things, until people eventually pick up on the fact that half the roster only wins over enhancement talents, therefore they still aren't actually credible at all and that kills any effectiveness of the concept dead. Like, I get WWE has so many problems, I really do, but when you actually lay them all out on the table it's like... Where do you even start trying to solve it? The clean losses thing just gives me a headache every time I try to figure it out because nobody actually wants their favourite talent to lose at all, but nobody likes them winning all the time without a challenge, either. It's unfulfilling. Every solution to some problem seems to exacerbate some other problem or create a new one. Even AEW is starting to run into these issues because, even with the creative freedom and such, a lot of people are still finding that their favourite talents aren't being booked enough and/or aren't winning enough. Sorry to vent, it's just frustrating. If we as a fanbase could just determine the one BIGGEST problem with WWE (that isn't Vince himself as a whole, unfortunately) and figure out how to solve that, then we could actually f***ing get somewhere. I think the issue is ultimately always going to be that you can't please everyone, you just wanna please MOST of them, AEW usually gets this right, WWE much less so because Vince doesn't care what people think. People are always going to want what they want in a champion and if it's not that way it's wrong to them. Is it wrong to do it? That's debatable, especially with crowd reactions, reported drawing power, and ratings to counterbalance that of especially online fan opinions. I don't think there's ever gonna be a consensus on what people want and it's always gonna boil down to taste which will lead to frustration if you try and ask what they all ultimately want because so many peoples answers are going to be different, even on FAN in well documented fashion, some peoples favorite show is NXT 2.0, some AEW, some Impact, some New Japan, some still WWE, and more! Trying to condense it ends up like the Simpsons focus group episode quote, "So you want a realistic down-to-earth show that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots?", wrestling fans are very different and sometimes extremely niche in what they desire.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 24, 2022 3:50:49 GMT -5
The issue is... they're not gonna even slightly tweak it... Roman's gonna hold that belt till our Grandkids watch him in his new Shiny Romantron 5000 body as he successfully defends it again In AEW though it's also because a lot of the Main Eventers are in their own separate storylines away from the title right now (And Kenny's healing), which is where I can see where you're coming from. If the upper bowl of that roster were all at once gunning for that world title, it'd be one of the most stacked main event rosters in history imo. In WWE, it kinda falls under a similar principle... Roman about to have two belts, Lesnar still a main focus, McIntyre's slumming it with Happy Corbin, Lashley's hurt, Styles and Edge are fighting each other, Owens and Rollins are "struggling to get on Mania", Big E even before injury was relegated to the tag scene again... there is a GOOD main event scene to be had here... if they gave some more shits to run it, the sad part is, it feels like a lot of them aren't even doing anything meaningful on the card without going for the big belt(s), which is where it differs for me. I think we need to figure out what kind of healthy main event picture we want. The common link is "multiple credible challengers all gunning for the champ", but like how do we present the champion? Nobody likes them being literally invulnerable, but at the same time, nobody seems to like it when they're actually vulnerable. Do we even want one strong champion, or do we want everyone to get a turn with the shiny toy like pass-the-parcel? Multiple credible challengers... where do they get their credibility from? Hang on, we're supposed to protect the midcard from losing too, right? And the tag division as well? Let's bring in some outside enhancement talents, that'll solve things, until people eventually pick up on the fact that half the roster only wins over enhancement talents, therefore they still aren't actually credible at all and that kills any effectiveness of the concept dead. Like, I get WWE has so many problems, I really do, but when you actually lay them all out on the table it's like... Where do you even start trying to solve it? The clean losses thing just gives me a headache every time I try to figure it out because nobody actually wants their favourite talent to lose at all, but nobody likes them winning all the time without a challenge, either. It's unfulfilling. Every solution to some problem seems to exacerbate some other problem or create a new one. Even AEW is starting to run into these issues because, even with the creative freedom and such, a lot of people are still finding that their favourite talents aren't being booked enough and/or aren't winning enough. Sorry to vent, it's just frustrating. If we as a fanbase could just determine the one BIGGEST problem with WWE (that isn't Vince himself as a whole, unfortunately) and figure out how to solve that, then we could actually f***ing get somewhere. Like one thing that would might have made the main event not seem so dire, and it's such a minor thing... would have been Drew beating Roman when they faced off in the non title match or Big E beating Roman in the non title match... it helps keep Roman on the same level as the other main eventers instead of having him and Brock on a pedestal that's above everyone else...
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Post by J is Justice on Mar 24, 2022 5:31:25 GMT -5
The program isn't nearly as bad as people think it is. They just overexaggerate, hate watch and are filled with negativity so it seems much worse in a vacuum. Me, I mostly watch away from others and I've noticed that my experience is just far better when not around all the harmful comments. It's not amazing but it's definitely not the worse thing ever. If it was dudes wouldn't be watching. I feel this way too. I seem to enjoy WWE shows much better when either watching alone or with casual fans. It’s the die hard fans that seem to hate everything WWE. Sometimes I will legitimately enjoy a show, then come to this board afterwards, and 80 percent of the people on here will hate it. Yeah, I kind of agree with this. There's a lot to hate about WWE, but sometimes I wonder if I'm watching the same match/show as everyone else.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 24, 2022 5:43:31 GMT -5
I miss Enzo sometimes, even though I completely understand why they'll likely never bring him back. Enzo and Cass were great in their early NXT run, when Enzo was saying different stuff on the mic every time. Dude was funny as hell. Once they main rostered him into saying the same scripted lines every week it got old pretty fast. Enzo in NXT had a few things going for him that were never going to translate to main roster. The obvious one is the fact that you wouldn't see him every week, so of course the gimmick and catchphrases are going to stay fresh longer. The less obvious one is that Enzo might have to do multiple appearances per taping session, and that's where you'd actually get a different Enzo promo entirely without the singalong bits, because you can't do the same promo twice in the same day without the crowd being significantly less enthusiastic as the last time.
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Post by Instant Classic on Mar 24, 2022 8:11:34 GMT -5
For the most part it’s hard for me to watch wrestling before 2002.
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