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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 4, 2022 4:15:20 GMT -5
They're far from trash, the match with the Briscoes this weekend proved that imo. If not for you that's fair, but they are hyped up for a reason, they're really good at what they do, and Dax especially is extremely unsung as far as singles matches have gone. This is from someone who thought their main roster run was mostly a dud (The Orton pairing should have went further) They’re not for me, sorry. Again, that's fair, some people are pretty critical of their act here, never really understood it, I think they've earned their keep so to speak The face run has been very welcomed though, I think so far, they've played excellent faces.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 4, 2022 5:41:48 GMT -5
I may make a thread about this sometime (it feels less necessary now that they've turned face), but I feel like FTR suffer from the commentators being too damn into their shtick. "Nostalgia-obsessed jerks who act like grumpy old men to all these new-fangled wrestlers who aren't serious enough for their liking" is a well-defined character and a natural foil that makes the zanier gimmicks work even better. But you'll never get half of that if you listen to the commentary team that just unironically praises their old school-ness, which is, y'know, kind of a core aspect of their heelishness. FTR is trash, man. I just can’t get into them at all. Maybe it’s that unironic constant hype, but they annoyed me in WWE too. I kinda get it,I think they improved but it seemed their gimmick were "best tag team ever" without actually being one of the best teams in the planet. Plus they were pretty one note with the whole OLD-SCHOOL schtick or that they are good because OLD SCHOOL.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 6:00:13 GMT -5
Off the top of my head... O Reilly Fish Garcia 2.0 Hager Wheeler Harwood Agogo I don't mean MMA guys specifically. I mean "regular guys with no gimmick beyond 'serious wrestler'" Most of these guys are boring as shit to watch. Especially to the casual fan. - Kyle is a dork who air guitars any title he gets - Fish I already answered - Garcia's getting much more character thanks to JAS, I refer you to the Kangol Hat thread - 2.0 have never been "Serious tough guys" like... I don't know how that's even a question, they have always been presented as guys who can go, but goofs - Hager is a goon, he has always been a goon, he does MMA shit, but he absolutely is just like Biff from Back to the Future, he hasn't been SUPER SERIOUS in ages, look at how he dresses lmfao - Wheeler Yuta's a technical wrestler, and the crowds gone white hot for him the last two weeks for his technical wrestling and fire, it's working for him to be a young gun like this, it's sure working for the fans and he'll grow into his own all the further from it - Dax Harwood is an 80's throwback wrestler, since becoming a face he and Wheeler have also done a lot of cool new stuff because they're no longer working a heel story - Ogogo is a Boxer, an actual Olympic Boxer, and he's only been wrestling on DARK as of late more than likely to tune up his gimmick, but he's always been a sassy promo, he has more to him than super serious all the time. If you're a casual fan, fair enough, but these guys do actually develop over the course of shows and change things up and well... do more things outside of what you're describing them as. That's what they're supposed to do. Hell there were people here who admitted they didn't see anything in Yuta three weeks ago that are suddenly big fans of him, same with Garcia finding his dorky side in JAS... this is what wrestling's supposed to do, it's supposed to give wrestlers more than one layer to their presentation, and AEW's good at doing it imo. Those are just merely personality quirks. It's not like you're describing The Undertaker, The Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper, Steve Austin and Kane here. Saying "Kyle air guitars sometimes" is basically like me saying "Well, Barry Horowitz slapped himself on the back sometimes." Those are still not gimmicks. They're all just regular guys in generic gear. AEW has got some good characters like Orange Cassidy, Darby Allin, Hangman, Pentagon, Danhausen etc but a large portion of their roster is generic.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 4, 2022 6:10:52 GMT -5
- Kyle is a dork who air guitars any title he gets - Fish I already answered - Garcia's getting much more character thanks to JAS, I refer you to the Kangol Hat thread - 2.0 have never been "Serious tough guys" like... I don't know how that's even a question, they have always been presented as guys who can go, but goofs - Hager is a goon, he has always been a goon, he does MMA shit, but he absolutely is just like Biff from Back to the Future, he hasn't been SUPER SERIOUS in ages, look at how he dresses lmfao - Wheeler Yuta's a technical wrestler, and the crowds gone white hot for him the last two weeks for his technical wrestling and fire, it's working for him to be a young gun like this, it's sure working for the fans and he'll grow into his own all the further from it - Dax Harwood is an 80's throwback wrestler, since becoming a face he and Wheeler have also done a lot of cool new stuff because they're no longer working a heel story - Ogogo is a Boxer, an actual Olympic Boxer, and he's only been wrestling on DARK as of late more than likely to tune up his gimmick, but he's always been a sassy promo, he has more to him than super serious all the time. If you're a casual fan, fair enough, but these guys do actually develop over the course of shows and change things up and well... do more things outside of what you're describing them as. That's what they're supposed to do. Hell there were people here who admitted they didn't see anything in Yuta three weeks ago that are suddenly big fans of him, same with Garcia finding his dorky side in JAS... this is what wrestling's supposed to do, it's supposed to give wrestlers more than one layer to their presentation, and AEW's good at doing it imo. Those are just merely personality quirks. It's not like you're describing The Undertaker, The Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper, Steve Austin and Kane here. Saying "Kyle air guitars sometimes" is basically like me saying "Well, Barry Horowitz slapped himself on the back sometimes." Those are still not gimmicks. They're all just regular guys in generic gear. AEW has got some good characters like Orange Cassidy, Darby Allin, Hangman, Pentagon, Danhausen etc but a large portion of their roster is generic. Depends on what your definition of generic is, because those "quirks" decidedly make a lot of wrestlers not generic, and entertaining to watch and view. It's not really a fact that these people are boring when they are getting huge reactions just as much as the perceived gimmick wrestlers are. People find value in traits, as much as when they wrestle as well. A lot of the wrestlers on this roster do find ways to stand out, in bigger or smaller ways, or people just decidedly wouldn't give a shit about them, and people do care about a large portion of this roster, and it shows when they get huge reactions in varying cities all over the US. Not everyone's going to agree and like the same wrestlers, but "they're all just regular guys" or "A large portion is generic" isn't really a factual statement, imo, it's going to vary, greatly.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 4, 2022 7:25:20 GMT -5
I mean, Daddy Magic's promo style is literally every coked up 80s wrestler.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 4, 2022 7:52:24 GMT -5
- Kyle is a dork who air guitars any title he gets - Fish I already answered - Garcia's getting much more character thanks to JAS, I refer you to the Kangol Hat thread - 2.0 have never been "Serious tough guys" like... I don't know how that's even a question, they have always been presented as guys who can go, but goofs - Hager is a goon, he has always been a goon, he does MMA shit, but he absolutely is just like Biff from Back to the Future, he hasn't been SUPER SERIOUS in ages, look at how he dresses lmfao - Wheeler Yuta's a technical wrestler, and the crowds gone white hot for him the last two weeks for his technical wrestling and fire, it's working for him to be a young gun like this, it's sure working for the fans and he'll grow into his own all the further from it - Dax Harwood is an 80's throwback wrestler, since becoming a face he and Wheeler have also done a lot of cool new stuff because they're no longer working a heel story - Ogogo is a Boxer, an actual Olympic Boxer, and he's only been wrestling on DARK as of late more than likely to tune up his gimmick, but he's always been a sassy promo, he has more to him than super serious all the time. If you're a casual fan, fair enough, but these guys do actually develop over the course of shows and change things up and well... do more things outside of what you're describing them as. That's what they're supposed to do. Hell there were people here who admitted they didn't see anything in Yuta three weeks ago that are suddenly big fans of him, same with Garcia finding his dorky side in JAS... this is what wrestling's supposed to do, it's supposed to give wrestlers more than one layer to their presentation, and AEW's good at doing it imo. Those are just merely personality quirks. It's not like you're describing The Undertaker, The Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper, Steve Austin and Kane here. Saying "Kyle air guitars sometimes" is basically like me saying "Well, Barry Horowitz slapped himself on the back sometimes." Those are still not gimmicks. They're all just regular guys in generic gear. AEW has got some good characters like Orange Cassidy, Darby Allin, Hangman, Pentagon, Danhausen etc but a large portion of their roster is generic. Quirks are what get you over. You don't need to be cosplaying as an astronaut to say you have a character/gimmick. I mean the biggest stars of all time we're all "guy who wrestles really good" with a bunch of unique quirks. Hogan acres like an over the top cartoon. Steve Austin drank a lot and beat up his boss, John Cena and Bret Hart were super nice dudes... On paper these guys were pretty normal dudes who just had a bunch of characters quirks that made then unique.
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Post by comahan on Apr 4, 2022 9:10:11 GMT -5
Not every company is going to try and hit the same niche's as other companies. AEW has made it very evident from the start that their primary audience is the 18-49 group. If content driven toward that group isn't what you prefer, then there are like 800 other companies to enjoy. Wrestling is awesome right now, there's an outrageous amount of variety, if one show isn't doing what you want, there are tons of other options to find one that fits your preferences more.
AEW is pretty defined in its style, I think, that won't be everyone's cup of tea, and that's fine. I'm a WWE lifer, I watched every week for 25 years. It's just not for me anymore, and I find no use in hate-watching it, making a point of what I *wish it was* at every opportunity, or lamenting its shortcomings all the time. I check out the big shows (WM was a lot of fun), but otherwise I just focus on other companies, because companies like AEW are more in line with what I enjoy as a fan these days. It's not perfect, it doesn't do everything well, but it doesn't have to. It has its place, and if I wanted it to do something else, there are probably other companies out there that do that 'something else' already, and do it well.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 4, 2022 9:17:55 GMT -5
Those are just merely personality quirks. It's not like you're describing The Undertaker, The Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper, Steve Austin and Kane here. Saying "Kyle air guitars sometimes" is basically like me saying "Well, Barry Horowitz slapped himself on the back sometimes." Those are still not gimmicks. They're all just regular guys in generic gear. AEW has got some good characters like Orange Cassidy, Darby Allin, Hangman, Pentagon, Danhausen etc but a large portion of their roster is generic. Quirks are what get you over. You don't need to be cosplaying as an astronaut to say you have a character/gimmick. I mean the biggest stars of all time we're all "guy who wrestles really good" with a bunch of unique quirks. Hogan acres like an over the top cartoon. Steve Austin drank a lot and beat up his boss, John Cena and Bret Hart were super nice dudes... On paper these guys were pretty normal dudes who just had a bunch of characters quirks that made then unique. Totally. Roddy Piper was a smartarse, who wrestled well. Bret Hart was a guy who wrestles the best. Steve Austin was a redneck who likes a fight. It you break it down, his character was suuuuper basic when he was at the top. Lots of top guys come down to that. You could boil most top heels as "wrestler who thinks they're better than you for x reason" money, nationality, talent etc. It's the quirks they show that make the differences and hook people in.
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Post by petef3 on Apr 4, 2022 9:28:25 GMT -5
"Guy who wrestles well" is a perfectly acceptable gimmick, provided they do wrestle well of course.
What I can't stand is guys whose gimmick is "has great matches," who brag about all the MOTYCs and ****+ matches they have. AEW mostly avoids this, though the Young Bucks creep or outright jump into this territory at times. Anytime anyone starts bragging about aesthetically pleasing wrestling matches in a promo, I'm tuned out.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 4, 2022 9:43:50 GMT -5
"Guy who wrestles well" is a perfectly acceptable gimmick, provided they do wrestle well of course. What I can't stand is guys whose gimmick is "has great matches," who brag about all the MOTYCs and ****+ matches they have. AEW mostly avoids this, though the Young Bucks creep or outright jump into this territory at times. Anytime anyone starts bragging about aesthetically pleasing wrestling matches in a promo, I'm tuned out. I think the Bucks are aware of this being an issue for people. Seems like they use that sort of stuff as heel material. FTR is a good example of guys who are the opposite, not caring about how many stars their match got and only caring about if they won.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 4, 2022 9:52:02 GMT -5
"Guy who wrestles well" is a perfectly acceptable gimmick, provided they do wrestle well of course. What I can't stand is guys whose gimmick is "has great matches," who brag about all the MOTYCs and ****+ matches they have. AEW mostly avoids this, though the Young Bucks creep or outright jump into this territory at times. Anytime anyone starts bragging about aesthetically pleasing wrestling matches in a promo, I'm tuned out. Yeah, that is really bad, only time I can handle it is if it's a super douchy heel who ALSO cares about winning. Like the Young Bucks showing off the fancy sneakers, the ridiculous gear, them being "we'll win and you'll love it" can be worked in. But if the quality of the match is what matters, I can't get behind that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 10:03:17 GMT -5
This promotion booked an exploding barbed wire deathmatch. Clearly they are targeting little kids for their audience. A lot of kids do in fact watch them though, and are all in the crowds. Boys and Girls dressing themselves like Cassidy, Darby, and Thunder Rosa alike. Like we're not gonna pretend the Attitude Era wasn't full of kids watching the product right? I hope not, or else I don't exist Kids absolutely can and do watch things that are targeted at their parents and older siblings. That's not at all the same thing as specifically targeting that audience.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 4, 2022 10:12:08 GMT -5
Let me reiterate that I don’t want AEW to become 1995 WWF. It’s more that I felt their product earlier on didn’t take itself quite as seriously. Like the MJF/Jericho duet, more out of nowhere stuff , that I’d like to see. And I’m someone who often loves hard hitting and serious wrestling, you’re talking to a massive 90s AJPW and classic NOAH fan and someone who occasionally gets into UWFI. AEW going for a specific and older audience is totally fine, but doesn’t anyone else feel they could stand to bring back a little bit more of the weirdness they had before late 2021 onwards?
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 4, 2022 10:20:27 GMT -5
Double or Nothing is coming up, so we're probably due Stadium Stampede 3 hopefully.
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Post by clifford on Apr 4, 2022 10:45:30 GMT -5
Let me reiterate that I don’t want AEW to become 1995 WWF. It’s more that I felt their product earlier on didn’t take itself quite as seriously. Like the MJF/Jericho duet, more out of nowhere stuff , that I’d like to see. And I’m someone who often loves hard hitting and serious wrestling, you’re talking to a massive 90s AJPW and classic NOAH fan and someone who occasionally gets into UWFI. AEW going for a specific and older audience is totally fine, but doesn’t anyone else feel they could stand to bring back a little bit more of the weirdness they had before late 2021 onwards? Maybe this has been addressed already in the thread so apologies, but I feel that there is plenty of weirdness in AEW as it is? -Orange Cassidy -Danhausen -One half of their tag champs is a man who thinks he's a dinosaur -Alex Abrahamtas is like...straight out of a cosplay convention and his stick with Penta Obscuro (intentionally or unintentionally) is extremely cartoonish -Brandon Cutler, and to an extent the Bucks, are super corny -2.0 are goofy AF -Emi Sakura (though you could be forgiven forgetting she existed) -Dark Order There are others who seem to appeal to the younger audience as well, like Darby, Hook, Jungle Boy etc. And every week I see lots of kids in the crowd and having a ball reacting to those in the ring. I'm not saying that's all it should be (god knows you can never have enough weirdness in wrestling), but its not exactly ROH 2010 where every wrestler had the same bland, serious gimmick (I'm looking at YOU Roderick Strong/Eddie Edwards/Davey Richards triple threats that bored the hell out of me cause no one had any charisma!)
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Post by petef3 on Apr 4, 2022 11:27:59 GMT -5
A lot of AEW's "weirdness" was pandemic-related. The Jericho/MJF thing and even Stadium Stampede were kind of made for wrestling without crowds. Now that crowds are back I don't want a whole lot of pre-taped, edited stuff.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 4, 2022 14:35:52 GMT -5
Having an audience again is why you see things like cinematic matches become less common not just in AEW, but WWE and other places. Those things really suck for a live audience who pays hundreds to attend an event.
Stadium Stampede is probably going to be a thing but you can also use the actual arena for that, too. Though maybe it will be an "Arena Stampede" in Vegas as Allegiant Stadium is far enough away from T-Mobile Arena to make that implausible unless the entire match takes place there. Not like the Daily's Place shows where the venue is literally attached to TIAA Bank Field.
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Post by noobeast on Apr 4, 2022 19:46:44 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but absolutely f***ing not.
If I want goofy shit, I'll watch WWE.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 5, 2022 8:24:41 GMT -5
Let me reiterate that I don’t want AEW to become 1995 WWF. It’s more that I felt their product earlier on didn’t take itself quite as seriously. Like the MJF/Jericho duet, more out of nowhere stuff , that I’d like to see. And I’m someone who often loves hard hitting and serious wrestling, you’re talking to a massive 90s AJPW and classic NOAH fan and someone who occasionally gets into UWFI. AEW going for a specific and older audience is totally fine, but doesn’t anyone else feel they could stand to bring back a little bit more of the weirdness they had before late 2021 onwards? Maybe this has been addressed already in the thread so apologies, but I feel that there is plenty of weirdness in AEW as it is? -Orange Cassidy -Danhausen -One half of their tag champs is a man who thinks he's a dinosaur -Alex Abrahamtas is like...straight out of a cosplay convention and his stick with Penta Obscuro (intentionally or unintentionally) is extremely cartoonish -Brandon Cutler, and to an extent the Bucks, are super corny -2.0 are goofy AF -Emi Sakura (though you could be forgiven forgetting she existed) -Dark Order There are others who seem to appeal to the younger audience as well, like Darby, Hook, Jungle Boy etc. And every week I see lots of kids in the crowd and having a ball reacting to those in the ring. I'm not saying that's all it should be (god knows you can never have enough weirdness in wrestling), but its not exactly ROH 2010 where every wrestler had the same bland, serious gimmick (I'm looking at YOU Roderick Strong/Eddie Edwards/Davey Richards triple threats that bored the hell out of me cause no one had any charisma!) God anyone complaining about AEW not being cartoony enough should be forced to sit through the Cornette-booked 3 clones era ROH Clockwork Orange style. That was some dire shit.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Apr 5, 2022 9:04:40 GMT -5
Pretty impressive that this went 5 pages and still only one person liked the OP's post. So I think it's safe to say the format is fine
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