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Post by chrom on Apr 7, 2022 10:20:07 GMT -5
That was not a good match as all four seemed off.
I don't know if it was lack of chemistry between them, ring rust, or age finally settling in on The Hardy's but that was bowling shoe ugly as JR called it last night.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 10:23:36 GMT -5
I didn't think there was a noticeable chemistry issue, or that the spots themselves were bad.
The rules of the match were just nonsensical and seemed to be made up as the match went on. And there were several dud table breaks, which always brings down the enjoyability of a match involving tables.
So, yeah, I totally agree it was a poor match, but I don't think it's indicative of Butcher, Blade, or either of the Hardys themselves being bad. They just got forced to go out there and play Calvinball, which stuck out like a sore thumb in a company like AEW that has generally avoided those classic pro wrestling "what the hell is going on?" moments.
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Post by Fade on Apr 7, 2022 10:26:42 GMT -5
Look, I get it. Hardyz were a huge part of my youth too. And I think for the most part they seem well adjusted these days. They are absolutely legends. Listen to that pop. That’s the new road warrior pop, as I read someone here describe. But I was not into watching Jeff recently on RAW/SD and certainly not now. They both have had a hard time in the ring recently. That’s fine, if used in moderation and consideration. Since coming to AEW, it’s like “Go through this spot. And that spot. And that one” and being used as frequent active competitors. Stop it, Tony. Also, I thought I was going crazy in the live thread on whether or not that first table broke or not. I watched the replay: It didn’t! You could make an argument the legs..got..bent or something - _ - Just a mess all around.
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Post by markymark on Apr 7, 2022 10:30:53 GMT -5
They used the same rules as Hardyz vs Dudleys RR 2000(those were confusing as well). Hopefully they never book a tables match ever again
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 7, 2022 10:46:09 GMT -5
The rules didn't make for a flowing match. The idea of eliminating wrestlers isn't bad, but when they just stay ringside and carry on in the match it makes things messy. Although, as the commentators pointed out, in a no-DQ match, why wouldn't they stick around and interfere? So yeah, the rules put the match at a disadvantage from the start.
Table matches are really best when it's just first-person put offensively through a table. The match could have just been Jeff doing the Swanton to end it and it wouldn't have lost anything.
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 7, 2022 10:57:51 GMT -5
It was just a really bad match, with one team consisting of two dudes that both have filled out their bump card twice over. Should have just been a standard tag, that might have actually been a better match than the one we got.
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Post by Hypnosis on Apr 7, 2022 11:01:40 GMT -5
It would have made more sense for the eliminated members of each team to go backstage with the rules AEW tried doing with the tag team Tables match last night.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Apr 7, 2022 11:04:54 GMT -5
I liked the double suplex off the barricade spot, at least. But yeah, not great, and the Nostalgia Hardys just aren't interesting to me. I know TK doesn't like the Broken universe stuff, but there's got to be a better way to book them than pretending it's 1999.
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Post by holyshida on Apr 7, 2022 11:37:05 GMT -5
It was probably the only thing last night that stuck out as a low point. I just want to see the Hardys in regular tag matches, the gimmick matches like this are starting to feel overdone. They can have a great run in AEW if used correctly
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Post by Macho Pichu on Apr 7, 2022 11:49:02 GMT -5
I dont think the rules were the problem, at least not the version of them that actually happened. The commentary team wasn't exactly clear on what they were, but based on how things played out, I would say that it never was an Elimination match. Jeff going through early on didn't eliminate him, it just put Butcher and Blade one step closer to victory. Same as when Butcher went through. I think it just kind of had too much to do in not enough time to do it all.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Apr 7, 2022 13:04:13 GMT -5
It was just as confusing for us in the arena. It got to the point where guys in my section were making up their own rules lol
"Oh, so you have to hit him with a chair before you put him through the table!"
"I can suspend disbelief for stuff like all those kick outs earlier, but how does going through a table not end a tables match?!"
"Well, those are the last two tables, so if it doesn't end after they go through those, I guess it's a draw!"
"f*** IT, LADDER MATCH!!!"
They also ripped on Jeff for moving the table, but not actually saving Matt from the double suplex. It was very sloppy, but once I got past the whole nonsensical nature of it, I just started enjoying the chaos.
Plus, not sure if they showed it on TV, but afterwards, Matt cut a promo, saying it was one year since their dad passed away, and he thanked the crowd for having their backs. I can't be pissed about a match after that.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 7, 2022 14:07:52 GMT -5
The problem wasn’t really the rules, it was that nobody seemed to know the rules. The fans, commentators and wrestlers all seemed to have a different idea of what the f*** was going on. It was a trainwreck
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Apr 7, 2022 14:24:14 GMT -5
The problem wasn’t really the rules, it was that nobody seemed to know the rules. The fans, commentators and wrestlers all seemed to have a different idea of what the f*** was going on. It was a trainwreck The fans thought it was a straight one-and-done deal, where first guy to go through a table, their team loses. But then having two table breaks in five minutes, we got very confused lol I haven't seen the match the way you guys saw it yet, so I can't speak for commentary. But it was obvious that The Hardys were working the match the way they worked the Royal Rumble match against the Dudleys. At the very least, it should have been explained that it wasn't elimination rules, but that both members of a team had to go through the table. Once I caught on, it was fine, but it was very confusing for the most part.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 7, 2022 14:31:57 GMT -5
The problem wasn’t really the rules, it was that nobody seemed to know the rules. The fans, commentators and wrestlers all seemed to have a different idea of what the f*** was going on. It was a trainwreck The fans thought it was a straight one-and-done deal, where first guy to go through a table, their team loses. But then having two table breaks in five minutes, we got very confused lol I haven't seen the match the way you guys saw it yet, so I can't speak for commentary. But it was obvious that The Hardys were working the match the way they worked the Royal Rumble match against the Dudleys. At the very least, it should have been explained that it wasn't elimination rules, but that both members of a team had to go through the table. Once I caught on, it was fine, but it was very confusing for the most part. I was only half paying attention on that, but they definitely mentioned elimination rules on commentary. And at one point said it had to be an active member of the match that cause the elimination. Feels like there was a massive communication breakdown between TK and the commentary team
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Apr 7, 2022 14:37:32 GMT -5
The fans thought it was a straight one-and-done deal, where first guy to go through a table, their team loses. But then having two table breaks in five minutes, we got very confused lol I haven't seen the match the way you guys saw it yet, so I can't speak for commentary. But it was obvious that The Hardys were working the match the way they worked the Royal Rumble match against the Dudleys. At the very least, it should have been explained that it wasn't elimination rules, but that both members of a team had to go through the table. Once I caught on, it was fine, but it was very confusing for the most part. I was only half paying attention on that, but they definitely mentioned elimination rules on commentary. And at one point said it had to be an active member of the match that cause the elimination. Feels like there was a massive communication breakdown between TK and the commentary team Maybe Tony himself didn't really understand what the match was going to be like lol
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 7, 2022 15:00:23 GMT -5
They used the same rules as Hardyz vs Dudleys RR 2000(those were confusing as well). Hopefully they never book a tables match ever again It doesn't have to be this extreme, they've booked tables matches before, they just shouldn't do one where there has to be three eliminations through tables but it's No DQ so it doesn't really matter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 15:00:38 GMT -5
Lol, this match was terrible.
It wasn't even necessary. The Hardys already beat their asses and Jeff put them through a table in a match. So why do you need a blow off table match? The feud should have already been over.
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Post by petef3 on Apr 7, 2022 15:40:52 GMT -5
This is why rules matter, whether it's a regular match or a gimmick.
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Post by clifford on Apr 7, 2022 15:58:16 GMT -5
It was a mess. Feel bad for Butcher and Blade, but the Hardys might wanna step it up a tad, cause their nostalgia run is off to a rocky enough start.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 7, 2022 16:11:50 GMT -5
Personally I'd give the Hardy's a week or two off after that to reset, that or one of them losing to Andrade in a singles match, they should probably tone it down for a bit after two big time matches, they certainly don't gotta prove it to the fans that they need to do matches like this all the time these days.
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