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Post by Kalmia on Apr 10, 2022 14:11:14 GMT -5
I'd like to see a women's match open Dynamite and be the hot opener for once as I don't think a women's match has ever been in that position (the Cole/Baker vs. OC/Statlander mixed tag did, IIRC.) Let Deeb and Shida open with their next match. I get that it won't be the hot draw that a Punk opener is, but AEW has to show the fans that the women are worth investing in before they will invest. I could swear Shida opened a few times but It could just be wishful thinking She might have done. The pandemic era is a big blur in my mind If so, they're due another opener!
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Post by holyshida on Apr 10, 2022 14:30:35 GMT -5
Well this is a new and original thread. I’ll just say what I always say, no, it is not “shockingly awful.” It’s the weak point of the show, but is starting to improve immensely. Jade’s awesome and has been impressively booked to her strengths. There’s a lot of promise in Rosa’s title reign, and after an initial hiccup the storyline with Nyla has been good. And, I’ll just politely disagree that Anna Jay needs to be featured more. I think she’s right where she should be on the card. you say Anna shouldn't be featured on TV and yet say Jade is awesome in the same post. Just out of curiosity, did you watch their match? The match where Anna led "awesome" Jade to the best match of her career.
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Post by Andy Martin on Apr 10, 2022 14:42:51 GMT -5
All I know is that I am going through Britt Baker withdrawals. They kept giving me so much Britt for so long, once she just disappeared without a trace, my brain just can't handle going cold turkey without my weekly Britt Baker fix. Imagine how Schiavone feels.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2022 14:51:13 GMT -5
Well this is a new and original thread. I’ll just say what I always say, no, it is not “shockingly awful.” It’s the weak point of the show, but is starting to improve immensely. Jade’s awesome and has been impressively booked to her strengths. There’s a lot of promise in Rosa’s title reign, and after an initial hiccup the storyline with Nyla has been good. And, I’ll just politely disagree that Anna Jay needs to be featured more. I think she’s right where she should be on the card. you say Anna shouldn't be featured on TV and yet say Jade is awesome in the same post. Just out of curiosity, did you watch their match? The match where Anna led "awesome" Jade to the best match of her career. I actually think Jade’s best match was against Red Velvet of all people. I also didn’t say that Anna shouldn’t be featured on TV. Just that she’s appropriately positioned on the card as a green 23 year old with very little promo skills. The tone of your posts are always that Anna should be the centerpiece of the division, and it’s fine that that’s your opinion, but I disagree. Jade deserves the higher spot on the card. She is chiseled from stone and oozes physical charisma. We’ve just had this same thread so many times. Anna is VERY young. I have no doubt she’s got many title reigns in her future. But I personally don’t think she’s there quite yet.
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Post by holyshida on Apr 10, 2022 15:01:07 GMT -5
you say Anna shouldn't be featured on TV and yet say Jade is awesome in the same post. Just out of curiosity, did you watch their match? The match where Anna led "awesome" Jade to the best match of her career. I actually think Jade’s best match was against Red Velvet of all people. I also didn’t say that Anna shouldn’t be featured on TV. Just that she’s appropriately positioned on the card as a green 23 year old with very little promo skills. The tone of your posts are always that Anna should be the centerpiece of the division, and it’s fine that that’s your opinion, but I disagree. Jade deserves the higher spot on the card. She is chiseled from stone and oozes physical charisma. We’ve just had this same thread so many times. Anna is VERY young. I have no doubt she’s got many title reigns in her future. But I personally don’t think she’s there quite yet. I don't think Anna should be the centerpiece, that's not what I was meaning, but there's several levels from being a centerpiece of a division to being featured on Dynamite once every 6 months. She just hasn't had enough chances and when they come she knocks it out the park, her last 2 TV matches against Jade and the street fight prove that. Its like he's put a ceiling on her. Sorry if I'm sharp, not my intention but it always irks me when people defend Jade being on TV every week and justify Anna not being on TV when she's putting on better matches. The difference in booking between them is like summer and winter. It's just the promos that's her weakest part, but again she's not had much of an opportunity to improve that.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Apr 10, 2022 15:05:04 GMT -5
Willow Nightingale should have won. Nah, Velvet is good and she's a signed talent. Willow is awesome but they've put quite a bit of time into Velvet.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 10, 2022 15:08:22 GMT -5
Willow is someone who should get re-signed to ROH and eventually become their Women's Champion. She's got a bright future ahead of her, but I think she'd be better suited for ROH than AEW.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2022 15:09:21 GMT -5
They aren't highlighting 'nuff women that I'd personally book ATM. I'd book Thunder Rosa, Anna Jay, Ruby Soho and Toni Storm as the top faces while Tay Conti, Britt Baker, Kiera Hogan and Jade Cargill would be the top heels. EDIT: I think Julia Hart is also ready for the next chapter in her career. That's what I look forward to.
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Post by Hypnosis on Apr 10, 2022 15:21:16 GMT -5
All I know is that I am going through Britt Baker withdrawals. They kept giving me so much Britt for so long, once she just disappeared without a trace, my brain just can't handle going cold turkey without my weekly Britt Baker fix. Danhausen should be in a segment with her.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 10, 2022 15:31:18 GMT -5
All I know is that I am going through Britt Baker withdrawals. They kept giving me so much Britt for so long, once she just disappeared without a trace, my brain just can't handle going cold turkey without my weekly Britt Baker fix. Danhausen should be in a segment with her. Have him go to her office and just say he's in for a teeth cleaning. She turns, and when she turns back, he hands her a jar of teeth.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 10, 2022 16:04:39 GMT -5
I actually think Jade’s best match was against Red Velvet of all people. I also didn’t say that Anna shouldn’t be featured on TV. Just that she’s appropriately positioned on the card as a green 23 year old with very little promo skills. The tone of your posts are always that Anna should be the centerpiece of the division, and it’s fine that that’s your opinion, but I disagree. Jade deserves the higher spot on the card. She is chiseled from stone and oozes physical charisma. We’ve just had this same thread so many times. Anna is VERY young. I have no doubt she’s got many title reigns in her future. But I personally don’t think she’s there quite yet. Sorry if I'm sharp, not my intention but it always irks me when people defend Jade being on TV every week and justify Anna not being on TV when she's putting on better matches. The difference in booking between them is like summer and winter. It's just the promos that's her weakest part, but again she's not had much of an opportunity to improve that. This is the issue, the opinion that Anna Jay is a better worker is extremely subjective, the opinion that Anna Jay deserves as much as Jade is currently getting, is subjective I don't hate Anna, I know you seem to THINK that I do, but Anna Jay is someone who they leaned on in the early pandemic when they really needed to, and is now someone they don't have to lean on and can develop at a much more lenient pace, considering she's 23 and hasn't worked like 40 matches in her career yet, and she's coming off that major injury that kept her out almost a year, it's a big deal to make sure that she gets reps, gets better, and then, eventually, becomes much more of a pillar for the division. Jade Cargill's on a faster track because her promo skills have improved and no one in wrestling has come along like her with the aura that she has since Chyna, Jade being on TV every week is not some exclusive knock on Anna Jay not being on TV at all, people just either like or have been impressed by her, she's not perfect, but there's a reason she gets on TV when you have people like Vanessa Hudgens talking about her on socials and giving attention to the product, she stands out, she's a cross platform type of star that can transcend beyond wrestling if they really let her. And again, none of that is congruent to Anna Jay or her current standing, but the discussions keep being made to be such. They like Anna, that's never been a dispute, but at 23, this isn't some make or break for her, she's probably going to be there for a long time and has a long career ahead of her. But in terms of an immediate priority, it's not a slight or an insult to just say "It's ok if she's on Elevation right now and these other girls are focus", you'll disagree, because your stance is pretty firm on this, as we've seen all over the place, but again, this is why it's all subjective in the first place.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 10, 2022 16:08:30 GMT -5
Willow Nightingale should have won. I'm not saying she should've won, but she's got serious potential. The amount of offense she got in and the amount of pop she got vs Velvet has to be encouraging for her, and I would hope means we see much more of her in AEW and ROH as well.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 10, 2022 16:42:26 GMT -5
I think Anna clearly looks nervous since returning from her injury. She's had some good moments don't get me wrong, but she seems nervous in the ring. I think that's one of the reasons she has been on Dark and Elevation more to get her mojo back
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 10, 2022 17:58:03 GMT -5
Ann’s did give Jade her best match so far imo. So I can give her that much.
Jamie Hayter is someone who should be featured on TV far more imo.
And yeah, I think they should have given Willow the upset on Friday perhaps.
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Post by holyshida on Apr 10, 2022 18:19:37 GMT -5
Sorry if I'm sharp, not my intention but it always irks me when people defend Jade being on TV every week and justify Anna not being on TV when she's putting on better matches. The difference in booking between them is like summer and winter. It's just the promos that's her weakest part, but again she's not had much of an opportunity to improve that. This is the issue, the opinion that Anna Jay is a better worker is extremely subjective, the opinion that Anna Jay deserves as much as Jade is currently getting, is subjective I don't hate Anna, I know you seem to THINK that I do, but Anna Jay is someone who they leaned on in the early pandemic when they really needed to, and is now someone they don't have to lean on and can develop at a much more lenient pace, considering she's 23 and hasn't worked like 40 matches in her career yet, and she's coming off that major injury that kept her out almost a year, it's a big deal to make sure that she gets reps, gets better, and then, eventually, becomes much more of a pillar for the division. Jade Cargill's on a faster track because her promo skills have improved and no one in wrestling has come along like her with the aura that she has since Chyna, Jade being on TV every week is not some exclusive knock on Anna Jay not being on TV at all, people just either like or have been impressed by her, she's not perfect, but there's a reason she gets on TV when you have people like Vanessa Hudgens talking about her on socials and giving attention to the product, she stands out, she's a cross platform type of star that can transcend beyond wrestling if they really let her. And again, none of that is congruent to Anna Jay or her current standing, but the discussions keep being made to be such. They like Anna, that's never been a dispute, but at 23, this isn't some make or break for her, she's probably going to be there for a long time and has a long career ahead of her. But in terms of an immediate priority, it's not a slight or an insult to just say "It's ok if she's on Elevation right now and these other girls are focus", you'll disagree, because your stance is pretty firm on this, as we've seen all over the place, but again, this is why it's all subjective in the first place. it's subjective but if you watch them I just think Anna is fundamentally so much better, in their match she was doing most of the Selling, basing, bumping etc and was doing her best to make Jade look like a million Bucks. Obviously you disagree but I just think Anna is better. Jade is getting great at cutting promos, but go back a few months and she wasn't that great, they gave her TV time and chances to get better, which to her enormous credit she has, but Anna was never handed the same opportunities. I would even see your point about leaving her on Dark for awhile to improve and leaving her off tv if she was stinking the joint up on TV, but that clearly isn't the case, her last 2 TV matches were widely praised and she delivers in the ring for her experience Like I say we disagree about who is better between them, so let's leave that comparison. Let's compare her to some other Women that are getting bigger pushes.. Red Velvet - Red Velvet is good, but she's also had more botchier moments than Anna and hasn't shown much in promos. She's just qualified for Owen Cup and was pushed far in the TBS tournament. There's nothing to me that suggests she should be pushed more than Anna Leyla is pretty good, but same thing, she's been pushed very good, got a PPV win over Statlander. Marina has had a 3 week build to her match with Jade and has been presented as more of a threat than Anna who got no buid to a title match. Julia and Skye Blue I see as a level or 2 below Anna and they've had multiple TV matches since Annas last match. Even in NXT we've got Cora, Nikita and Tiffany Stratton that aren't as good and get showcase matches. All 5 are either younger or the same age as Anna and I don't think they're as good, so those reasons are why the age factor doesn't wash when she's already proven she's worthy of being on TV. This is what I mean. I'm not just comparing her to Jade (even though I think she's better) it's all the others I mention. I'm sure if Trents mother wanted to take up pro wrestling she'd be pushed ahead of Anna as well.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 11, 2022 9:03:02 GMT -5
The snarking at the OP seems a little unnecessary, even though these threads have gotten heated in the past.
I think the talent is there, but they really need more time on the shows. 1 match per show, with maybe an additional quick backstage interview or video package is not enough time to really flesh out the division. Top workers like Ruby and Shida should not disappear from TV for months at a time. And the same goes for those lower down the card that are constantly on Dark/Elevation but never on Dynamite/Rampage. There are definitely men’s segments every week that I can see easily being cut without it affecting the men’s side or the quality of the show.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Apr 11, 2022 17:13:56 GMT -5
Ruby was so over when she showed up. I have no idea why they don't use her anymore.
Also, I don't care what shitty excuses QT Marshall makes, there really is no excuse for just one match per show.
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Post by jimmycon on Apr 11, 2022 17:51:21 GMT -5
At this point I think the 'one women's match per show' must be coming from Turner surely?
Tony has shown that he does listen, he does monitor fan sentiment online, and he will adjust. There's been so much said about the women's division being neglected I have to believe his hands are tied somehow at this point. Like, they've really NEVER broken the one match per show rule, which tells me it must be a hard and fast rule from somewhere. I just don't know how they can ever get people really invested in the division with so little air time.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 11, 2022 18:01:54 GMT -5
There have been times where there's been two matches on Dynamite, but in that case, one's usually a squash.
Impact usually does about 2-3 women's matches of at least decent quality per 2-hour show (with the rare intergender match; I think that's a hard "no" with bigger station execs, though since neither WWE nor AEW do them), and I think AEW should strive for that for Dynamite. Assuming Turner isn't being a roadblock for them.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 11, 2022 18:34:52 GMT -5
At this point I think the 'one women's match per show' must be coming from Turner surely? Tony has shown that he does listen, he does monitor fan sentiment online, and he will adjust. There's been so much said about the women's division being neglected I have to believe his hands are tied somehow at this point. Like, they've really NEVER broken the one match per show rule, which tells me it must be a hard and fast rule from somewhere. I just don't know how they can ever get people really invested in the division with so little air time. I dont think its a Turner thing I think its a case of shinier men's talent toys that got TK off the track. The new signings have definitely taken the shine off of the women's division for sure. I agree with some of the OPs statements
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