Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Apr 22, 2022 23:00:17 GMT -5
When the chips are down, when it's time to bring home the bacon, when it is do or die, you know that these dudes will need someone to administer the Heimlich maneuver.
In recent years, we've seen Braun Strowman make a claim for literally the biggest in wrestling history, with him failing to get the job done time and time and time again, and The Choke Artist Known as Shinsuke Nakamura. Who else can rival these for failing to get it done when it matters most?
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Apr 22, 2022 23:03:46 GMT -5
Matt Morgan is the blueprint and DNA of choking
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Apr 23, 2022 0:04:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Lex Luger. Repeatedly came close in ‘88 but no. Came close again in ‘90 but no. Finally won it in ‘91 but only after Flair left. The Lex Express ran out of gas and he was made to look like a doofus by celebrating a count out win like he’d won the big one.
Then he finally wins the WCW title from Hogan in a big moment on Nitro…and lost it back in the same week.
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Post by mrpeacock on Apr 23, 2022 0:30:39 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt couldn’t win a feud to save his life. In fact his last feud murdered The Feind
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Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 23, 2022 0:55:57 GMT -5
I think it depends on what you'd consider. I get why someone would say Luger, Shinsuke, Braun, or Bray, but that's also four world champions. Hell, all of them outside of Braun won at least two.
I guess for me, my answer is Hirooki Goto in NJPW. I don't think it is impossible he gets a "thank you" IWGP title win. He wouldn't be the only guy to get one. Still, as it stands, he's 42, has been wrestling for a little under 20 years, and he's had a bunch of midcard titles, but no world title. Hell, he even won the Jr. Tag titles, but not the Jr. Heavyweight belt itself. He hasn't even won a world title through NJPW's partnerships, like not even the RevPro title or something or NWA title when NJPW guys were getting shots at it.
Furthermore, he lost a feud to Okada so hard that he joined his stable and became his lackey. He also had one of the only times he had a real chance at the world title taken away from him when he beat Okada in the G1 in 2013, and was leading his block in wins, but Shibata broke his jaw, quite possibly costing him the G1, at the very least, if not the title itself. He has never recaptured that momentum ever since.
Some choked more often, but many of them got their due later. Goto very well may never be so fortunate. He's apparently a dedicated family man, but I do wonder if he ever regrets not trying to get an AJPW or NOAH gig and possibly escape the midcard ghetto. Guessing he wouldn't want the instability and risk of such a thing, though.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 23, 2022 1:09:09 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt couldn’t win a feud to save his life. In fact his last feud murdered The Feind Bray won a bunch of feuds. the problem (especially pre-feind) was it didn't matter when he won or lost... because his feuds were all built on literally nothing. they were busy work feuds based on vague and spooky nonsense that basically existed either because they couldn't figure out how to end someone else's feud... or because was so important they needed to do something but they didn't have anything to do...
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Post by Raskovnik on Apr 23, 2022 1:39:55 GMT -5
They’ve booked Goto as such a total choke artist that I used to be an absolutely massive fan and even I couldn’t care less anymore, after the like 14th time he came up short.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 23, 2022 2:56:33 GMT -5
This is the biggest problem with Cornette's ROH booking. So many times someone would get hot, but then the chase would get so prolonged after coming up short so many times that the prospect of a new potential main eventer getting crowned arrived with a "just get it over with" feeling.
That's one of the great unheralded things that Delirious' booking immediately corrected.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Apr 23, 2022 4:09:46 GMT -5
I was a huge Sasha Banks fan until she went 0-4 in her first 4 title defenses in her first 4 WWE women's championship reigns. From what I've read on here it seems like they finally stopped booking her like such a loser. But after her 4th title loss in as many defenses I gave up on her and have only watched a couple of her matches since. It also didn't help that she was booked as completely inferior to Charlotte. No thank you to Charlotte, no thank you to choke artist Sasha, no thank you to WWE.
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Post by 4real on Apr 23, 2022 4:21:52 GMT -5
The Miz as a babyface. Certainly last time out when he kept getting punked out by Shane McMahon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2022 5:22:29 GMT -5
I think it depends on what you'd consider. I get why someone would say Luger, Shinsuke, Braun, or Bray, but that's also four world champions. Hell, all of them outside of Braun won at least two. I guess for me, my answer is Hirooki Goto in NJPW. I don't think it is impossible he gets a "thank you" IWGP title win. He wouldn't be the only guy to get one. Still, as it stands, he's 42, has been wrestling for a little under 20 years, and he's had a bunch of midcard titles, but no world title. Hell, he even won the Jr. Tag titles, but not the Jr. Heavyweight belt itself. He hasn't even won a world title through NJPW's partnerships, like not even the RevPro title or something or NWA title when NJPW guys were getting shots at it. Furthermore, he lost a feud to Okada so hard that he joined his stable and became his lackey. He also had one of the only times he had a real chance at the world title taken away from him when he beat Okada in the G1 in 2013, and was leading his block in wins, but Shibata broke his jaw, quite possibly costing him the G1, at the very least, if not the title itself. He has never recaptured that momentum ever since. Some choked more often, but many of them got their due later. Goto very well may never be so fortunate. He's apparently a dedicated family man, but I do wonder if he ever regrets not trying to get an AJPW or NOAH gig and possibly escape the midcard ghetto. Guessing he wouldn't want the instability and risk of such a thing, though. Goto should've had a reign around 2013-15. He's broken down now but he was phenomenal during this period.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 23, 2022 8:19:40 GMT -5
remember when Roman Reigns was built up to beat Brock at Mania then lost and kept losing like 3 or 4 more times before he finally beat him at Summerslam and nobody cared anymore?
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 23, 2022 9:21:06 GMT -5
Lex and Braun, who didn't win the big one when it counted.
Braun was literally a second choice when he won the Universal title, and it came after people stopped caring.
Lex when Flair left. And sure, he got a "legit" moment by beating Hogan, but he then lost the next time he had a match with him.
Given it led him to CYN, I want to say Braun wins here.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 23, 2022 11:10:39 GMT -5
remember when Roman Reigns was built up to beat Brock at Mania then lost and kept losing like 3 or 4 more times before he finally beat him at Summerslam and nobody cared anymore? I mean the crowd didn't even really care at Mania either... at best they were begrudgingly accepting in a "let's get it over with way" Then everyone assumed he'd win it at Saudi Arabia ... expecting Roman to get cheered just because he's the face... and that didn't happen (either winning or getting cheered)
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Post by thecrusherwi on Apr 23, 2022 21:02:34 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels in his post 2002 comeback. He was able to catch lightning in a bottle and win the title in his second match back (where it was a chamber match and he was the last to enter), but lost it only three weeks later. He spent the better part of the next 7 years trying to get it back and never could, losing some high profile title matches in the process. Then in 2009, he nearly breaks The Streak at Wrestlemania 25. After being the closest to breaking it, getting a rematch consumes him to the point he puts his career on the line to get it. That gets him his last shot at the Undertaker’s streak - which he loses and is forced to retire.
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Post by Starshine on Apr 23, 2022 22:10:55 GMT -5
Yeah, whenever I think of Hirooki Goto, I remember him trying to reinvent himself before a IWGP title challenge by sitting under a waterfall, painting himself up like Hakushi, and then getting beaten like a drum by Okada, followed by shaking his hand and joining his group; all this after the champ spent the entire build talking up how shit he thought Goto was.
There's probably a good reason he's never had a top title match since.
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Post by Balesirion on Apr 23, 2022 23:09:07 GMT -5
I remember that I thought 2012 would be the year that Goto finally won the title. After all, he got his first title shot in 2007 and had spent all of the intervening time as a serious contender. Boy, did that one not work out.
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Magnus the Magnificent
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Apr 24, 2022 7:20:26 GMT -5
"Artist" miiiight be pushing it a bit, though...
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Apr 25, 2022 23:26:07 GMT -5
Christopher Daniels. Even when he was leading The Prophecy, the title went to Xavier, the worst champion ROH has ever had.
And how many times did he get kneecapped in TNA?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 25, 2022 23:28:51 GMT -5
In what may be best described as everyone dodging a bullet, Marty Scurll could never quite nab the RoH World title even if he was the most over person in the company many times over. Then the pandemic saved him from almost certainly being the one to take the 10 pounds of gold from Aldis.
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