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Post by tirtefaa on May 29, 2022 23:18:30 GMT -5
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Had multiple shots at the World title and never capitalized, prematurely celebrated winning the Royal Rumble before getting tossed, and one of the only things he'll be remembered for in his last run in the WWF was getting Rock Bottomed into dog poop.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 30, 2022 8:25:12 GMT -5
WWF Vader. This was him in WCW: This was him in WWF: I know it would have gotten him fired, and despite how stiff he was, Vader was a sensitive and I don’t think would have deliberately hurt someone. But part of me wishes Vader had roughed him up a bit. Nothing serious, nothing that would cause him to miss the show the next night. Just enough to maybe make him think twice about being such a prick. I guess that's only accepted if you're Bob Holly or JBL. As the original post was loading, I expected to see a screenshot of Vader saying....it.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 20:11:33 GMT -5
WWF Vader. This was him in WCW: This was him in WWF: I know it would have gotten him fired, and despite how stiff he was, Vader was a sensitive and I don’t think would have deliberately hurt someone. But part of me wishes Vader had roughed him up a bit. Nothing serious, nothing that would cause him to miss the show the next night. Just enough to maybe make him think twice about being such a prick. Vader could've broke him in half if he wanted. And honestly it would've been well deserved. The fact that Benoit, JBL, Eddie and Holly got away with doing this to guys like Puder, Dupree, Striker and Miz but Vader would've got fired if he did it to HBK just sums this company up. Looking back, Vader should've just got himself fired. They used him terribly after 1996 anyway. Vader wrecking shit up in late 90s WCW against the NWO could've been fun. Maybe a short run in ECW with matches against the likes of Taz too.
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Post by fg on May 30, 2022 20:32:41 GMT -5
I know it would have gotten him fired, and despite how stiff he was, Vader was a sensitive and I don’t think would have deliberately hurt someone. But part of me wishes Vader had roughed him up a bit. Nothing serious, nothing that would cause him to miss the show the next night. Just enough to maybe make him think twice about being such a prick. Vader could've broke him in half if he wanted. And honestly it would've been well deserved. The fact that Benoit, JBL, Eddie and Holly got away with doing this to guys like Puder, Dupree, Striker and Miz but Vader would've got fired if he did it to HBK just sums this company up. Looking back, Vader should've just got himself fired. They used him terribly after 1996 anyway. Vader wrecking shit up in late 90s WCW against the NWO could've been fun. Maybe a short run in ECW with matches against the likes of Taz too. The only thing is that the “victim” is Shawn the then-golden boy whereas the other ones were not. I’m not condoning bullying. JBL, Benoit, Holly & Eddie should have gotten fired for that. As far as Vader goes, he could have just asked for his release or gotten himself fired just to say that he did not back down and he wasn’t going to put up with their treatment of him. I somewhat doubt he would have fared that much better with the NWO with Hogan at the helm.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 30, 2022 21:15:35 GMT -5
If Vader stiffed HBK for that, it's not impossible he'd have damaged his ability to really go elsewhere. Like, I don't know if I have to tell you guys this, but JBL, etc, took liberties generally with jobbers or occasionally midcarders. If Vader decided to stiff the top guy because he hurt his feelings, promotions would have maybe threw him some work as a curiosity, but he'd be absolutely done as a main act ever again. People booked Nailz as a novelty, but even if he didn't suck ass, I don't think places would have kept using him past his super short stints places. Who would have trusted him?
Honestly, Vader was better off going back to Japan like he did. While Shawn was fumbling to beat pills and rehab his back, Vader was probably making good money in AJPW and NOAH. Shawn wasn't worth the hassle.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 31, 2022 8:31:36 GMT -5
I know it would have gotten him fired, and despite how stiff he was, Vader was a sensitive and I don’t think would have deliberately hurt someone. But part of me wishes Vader had roughed him up a bit. Nothing serious, nothing that would cause him to miss the show the next night. Just enough to maybe make him think twice about being such a prick. Vader could've broke him in half if he wanted. And honestly it would've been well deserved. The fact that Benoit, JBL, Eddie and Holly got away with doing this to guys like Puder, Dupree, Striker and Miz but Vader would've got fired if he did it to HBK just sums this company up. It's also worth noting that JBL et al got away with that shit because Vince wanted them to do it
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Post by tafkaga on May 31, 2022 8:41:18 GMT -5
If Vader stiffed HBK for that, it's not impossible he'd have damaged his ability to really go elsewhere. Like, I don't know if I have to tell you guys this, but JBL, etc, took liberties generally with jobbers or occasionally midcarders. If Vader decided to stiff the top guy because he hurt his feelings, promotions would have maybe threw him some work as a curiosity, but he'd be absolutely done as a main act ever again. People booked Nailz as a novelty, but even if he didn't suck ass, I don't think places would have kept using him past his super short stints places. Who would have trusted him? Honestly, Vader was better off going back to Japan like he did. While Shawn was fumbling to beat pills and rehab his back, Vader was probably making good money in AJPW and NOAH. Shawn wasn't worth the hassle. I could see WCW really wanting to capitalize on Internet rumors that Vader roughed up the WWF champion Boy Toy. Wouldn't surprise me if that didn't basically redeem him in Bischoff's eyes. Of course, after the initial hype, he would have been lost in the NWO shuffle.
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Post by tafkaga on May 31, 2022 9:52:56 GMT -5
Tito Santana trying to get revenge on Rick Martel was a long running joke in my family. Martel changed his gimmick, his look, and had feuds with other guys, while Tito Santana stuck with the Strike Force look for years and just seemed to always be gunning for Martel, who had moved on. Then, poor Tito never seemed to get his comeuppance.
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Post by jason1980s on May 31, 2022 10:56:49 GMT -5
Tito Santana trying to get revenge on Rick Martel was a long running joke in my family. Martel changed his gimmick, his look, and had feuds with other guys, while Tito Santana stuck with the Strike Force look for years and just seemed to always be gunning for Martel, who had moved on. Then, poor Tito never seemed to get his comeuppance. It would have been nice if the opening match of Wrestlemania VI was Tito beating Rick clean. I know they were more high on Rick at the time but if he was going to be leaving in a few weeks anyway for the real estate business it wouldn't have looked bad. Plus Tito made it to the finals of the IC tournament so he would have looked better.
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 15, 2022 13:43:45 GMT -5
It looks like Bryan Danielson in AEW is going to join this list very, very soon.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 15, 2022 13:48:47 GMT -5
They had a lot of success of course but Kane and Big Show seemed to lose a LOT of world title matches over the years.
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 15, 2022 14:11:07 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose at least from 2014 to must of 2016 couldn't seem to win a feud to save his life or at the least a major feud.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 15, 2022 14:20:45 GMT -5
Andre the Giant after 1988.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 15, 2022 16:23:38 GMT -5
Tito Santana trying to get revenge on Rick Martel was a long running joke in my family. Martel changed his gimmick, his look, and had feuds with other guys, while Tito Santana stuck with the Strike Force look for years and just seemed to always be gunning for Martel, who had moved on. Then, poor Tito never seemed to get his comeuppance. It would have been nice if the opening match of Wrestlemania VI was Tito beating Rick clean. I know they were more high on Rick at the time but if he was going to be leaving in a few weeks anyway for the real estate business it wouldn't have looked bad. Plus Tito made it to the finals of the IC tournament so he would have looked better. Martel didn't leave for the real estate business until the following year. That's when he became really in and out with the company. Gone from May through November 1991. There December 1991 through March 1993. Gone April through August 1993. There September 1993 through May 1994. Then gone for good other then a cameo in the 1995 Royal Rumble. In 1990 they were still very much all in on him and seemed to have big plans for him so there was no way they were going to have him lose to Tito. Including house shows I think in all of the matches they had Tito I think only pinned him once. That being the finals of the 1989 King of the Ring which wasn't televised.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 15, 2022 16:37:19 GMT -5
If Vader stiffed HBK for that, it's not impossible he'd have damaged his ability to really go elsewhere. Like, I don't know if I have to tell you guys this, but JBL, etc, took liberties generally with jobbers or occasionally midcarders. If Vader decided to stiff the top guy because he hurt his feelings, promotions would have maybe threw him some work as a curiosity, but he'd be absolutely done as a main act ever again. People booked Nailz as a novelty, but even if he didn't suck ass, I don't think places would have kept using him past his super short stints places. Who would have trusted him? Honestly, Vader was better off going back to Japan like he did. While Shawn was fumbling to beat pills and rehab his back, Vader was probably making good money in AJPW and NOAH. Shawn wasn't worth the hassle. Vader by most accounts was a big bully and not exactly the greatest person either. So I don't really get the sympathy he gets for this incident. Shawn was definitely wrong for yelling "MOVE" at him as it was unprofessional and broke kayfabe however at the same time it's hard to feel bad for Vader. Dude hurt a lot of people and didn't give a crap. Your job as a professional is to protect your opponent. Not everyone is going to have the patience of a saint like Sting or have a pain threshold like Mick Foley. Most top guys aren't going to want to put up with that crap and why should they? They worked really hard to get to that position and were making awesome money so why are they going to want to jeopardize by some careless guy hurting them? Not condoning what Shawn did but at the same time it was something I think Vader kind of deserved. Someone hitting him with no regard and embarrassing him was probably the only way to get him in line.
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Post by sungod2020 on Dec 15, 2022 20:12:13 GMT -5
If Vader stiffed HBK for that, it's not impossible he'd have damaged his ability to really go elsewhere. Like, I don't know if I have to tell you guys this, but JBL, etc, took liberties generally with jobbers or occasionally midcarders. If Vader decided to stiff the top guy because he hurt his feelings, promotions would have maybe threw him some work as a curiosity, but he'd be absolutely done as a main act ever again. People booked Nailz as a novelty, but even if he didn't suck ass, I don't think places would have kept using him past his super short stints places. Who would have trusted him? Honestly, Vader was better off going back to Japan like he did. While Shawn was fumbling to beat pills and rehab his back, Vader was probably making good money in AJPW and NOAH. Shawn wasn't worth the hassle. Vader by most accounts was a big bully and not exactly the greatest person either. So I don't really get the sympathy he gets for this incident. Shawn was definitely wrong for yelling "MOVE" at him as it was unprofessional and broke kayfabe however at the same time it's hard to feel bad for Vader. Dude hurt a lot of people and didn't give a crap. Your job as a professional is to protect your opponent. Not everyone is going to have the patience of a saint like Sting or have a pain threshold like Mick Foley. Most top guys aren't going to want to put up with that crap and why should they? They worked really hard to get to that position and were making awesome money so why are they going to want to jeopardize by some careless guy hurting them? Not condoning what Shawn did but at the same time it was something I think Vader kind of deserved. Someone hitting him with no regard and embarrassing him was probably the only way to get him in line. I thought the reason Vader was stiff was because 1)he didn't realize his own strength and 2)that was how he was taught in Japan and didn't know better. He was even distraught that he nearly ended some jobbers career because of it. Was that not true? To add to this thread, Cryme Tyme was up there when it came to choke artists. Every time they had a championship match, they lost. There should've been an angle to where they get so frustrated from losing, they just say "f*** it" and just steal the belts(which was part of their gimmick) only to eventually beat the champions to start an official reign. But I guess putting the straps on a tag team that's over in an otherwise stagnant division is too much to ask for.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 15, 2022 20:50:02 GMT -5
It looks like Bryan Danielson in AEW is going to join this list very, very soon. Bryan Danielson is at the tail end of his career and perma-over to the point where he doesn't need a title at all. Dude seems happy to put younger guys over in competitive matches.
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 15, 2022 21:00:50 GMT -5
It looks like Bryan Danielson in AEW is going to join this list very, very soon. Bryan Danielson is at the tail end of his career and perma-over to the point where he doesn't need a title at all. Dude seems happy to put younger guys over in competitive matches. I get that and I understand that, but in order for dudes to get anything from beating him, he has to win to give dudes that rub. Him losing 5 world title matches in the space of a year and only winning one PPV match in AEW means that the rub from beating him is seriously reduced. Sometimes, Danielson is just too selfless.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 16, 2022 9:06:39 GMT -5
Bryan Danielson is at the tail end of his career and perma-over to the point where he doesn't need a title at all. Dude seems happy to put younger guys over in competitive matches. I get that and I understand that, but in order for dudes to get anything from beating him, he has to win to give dudes that rub. Him losing 5 world title matches in the space of a year and only winning one PPV match in AEW means that the rub from beating him is seriously reduced. Sometimes, Danielson is just too selfless. He is too selfless, though I think the point is less that beating him is the rub, and more that hanging with him is the rub, like Hangman Page going the distance in their matches.
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Post by 4real on Dec 16, 2022 14:04:25 GMT -5
Davey Boy Smith Had multiple shots at the World title and never capitalized, prematurely celebrated winning the Royal Rumble before getting tossed, and one of the only things he'll be remembered for in his last run in the WWF was getting Rock Bottomed into dog poop. At least he always has Summerslam 92 though. Although he didn’t hold the title long and Bret says he was in terrible shape for the match.
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