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Post by jp49er80 on Apr 30, 2022 16:05:55 GMT -5
Some people really need to stop taking up for male wrestlers just because they like them and there's been like 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% false accusations. It's not a good look and I promise you people see it.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 30, 2022 16:20:49 GMT -5
Some people really need to stop taking up for male wrestlers just because they like them and there's been like 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% false accusations. It's not a good look and I promise you people see it. Yeah, this is the thing. Christina Von Eerie is friends with serial abuser Joey Ryan. She is also potentially a victim of abuse at the hands of Chris Dickinson. Her friendship with Joey Ryan does not prevent her from being an victim at the hands of Dickinson. And if you do think being friends with an abuser does impact CVE's credibility, boy do I have some news for you about Dickinson hanging out with serial abuser Teddy Hart last year during Mania weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2022 19:32:56 GMT -5
Some people really need to stop taking up for male wrestlers just because they like them and there's been like 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% false accusations. It's not a good look and I promise you people see it. But the thing is that people also need to stop acting like women can't do no wrong. Women can lie and make shit up like this for either personal gain or revenge. I'm actually a victim of false allegation. I had an ex call my workplace, claiming I assaulted her and her mom at my workplace because she wanted to get me fired from my job. Luckily I work at a place where there camera everywhere and had enough witness to prove that her allegations was false. I could had been out of a job if my workplace decided to pull the "listen and belive" bullshit instead of doing the right thing and look into it. Right now, we have Eerie and Dickinson statement and that it. We wasn't there so we don't know what actually happen.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 30, 2022 19:36:21 GMT -5
A second accusation against Dickinson has surfaced. If you were on the fence on this one, this is probably the confirmation you need.
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Post by noobeast on Apr 30, 2022 19:53:29 GMT -5
Some people really need to stop taking up for male wrestlers just because they like them and there's been like 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% false accusations. It's not a good look and I promise you people see it. I'm sure this is aimed at me, and that's fine. Just know that I have no f***ing clue who this dude is. That video of him shared in this thread is the only thing I've ever er seen of his work. Hell, while I'm on the topic, I only know of Von Eerie from her previous issues. But there's the thing: At the very least, this dude had the benefit of the doubt from me because, unlike Von Eerie, he didn't have a negative mark on him. I'm all about believing victims, but I'm not rushing in with pitchforks until there is some substance. Look at what happened with Kimber. People were damning the man immediately, and then had to walk a LOT of that back. I'd just prefer to reserve judgement, or at least be fair in my assessment of the situation given who is involved. That said, looks like evidence is piling up, so I may be on the "f*** this guy" train real soon myself.
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Post by Blade on Apr 30, 2022 21:29:14 GMT -5
I don’t believe in taking somebody out of bookings or television for ONE accusation. There has either gotta be proof or multiple accusations. Otherwise if it’s false, the guys career is ruined over bullshit The vast majority of accusations are true, and it is far more common for guilty people to go unpunished than for innocent people to be accused. On the off chance it isn't true, having to step back from a booking is a fairly small penalty, and it is very unlikely it will seriously disrupt his career in the long term (not to diminish what would be a personally very stressful time for him from being accused). To be quite honest, anything other that the accusations being definitively proven or echoed by many other people is very unlikely to "ruin" his career.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 30, 2022 22:21:49 GMT -5
A second accusation against Dickinson has surfaced. If you were on the fence on this one, this is probably the confirmation you need. That's much more solid ground for me personally yeah I just don't immediately wanna jump on the train of "What a horrible person, fire them immediately" anymore until shit plays out, but that's not good for him at all. In some cases it is convenient that these come out when a wrestler gets a big break, like Dickenson signing to New Japan just recently and a ton of people speaking positively in support of him... but sometimes that's the spark people need to come out against someone. They're the hot topic and they're being praised... sometimes it sends someone over the edge who has been holding back, I guess. Seemed to be the case for Dickenson and now there's windfall with a second accusation. Hope New Japan's got another Big Gaijin backup plan, then again it's also New Japan... they've shown to not care as much about these over other companies depending on severity, something to monitor.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 30, 2022 22:29:18 GMT -5
Nash Carter is the only person I can think of whose career has been "ruined' by what even could be a false accusation, and even then it seems like his Hitler pic did him in more than anything. I can think of a lot of people who had accusations against them that didn't pan out or which turned out to be really misrepresented and who got to continue on fine. And I can think of a bunch more people who had credible allegations against them where they were shielded and carried on doing everything without even a punitive blip on the radar or a 'hold on and lie low while we look into this'. Taking someone off of TV while shit is looked into is not the end of their career and frankly the continued history and playing-out of abuse allegations against wrestlers leans real strongly toward the idea that people getting destroyed because of lies really is not a strong concern.
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 1, 2022 0:30:50 GMT -5
I don’t believe in taking somebody out of bookings or television for ONE accusation. There has either gotta be proof or multiple accusations. Otherwise if it’s false, the guys career is ruined over bullshit The vast majority of accusations are true, and it is far more common for guilty people to go unpunished than for innocent people to be accused. On the off chance it isn't true, having to step back from a booking is a fairly small penalty, and it is very unlikely it will seriously disrupt his career in the long term (not to diminish what would be a personally very stressful time for him from being accused). To be quite honest, anything other that the accusations being definitively proven or echoed by many other people is very unlikely to "ruin" his career. I’m not gonna disagree with the first part of what you said, but you can’t act like false accusations are just nothing. Austin Theory (and potentially riddle) have seemingly false accusations against them which they still get shit for and the perpetrators haven’t been punished nor have they been proven to be false so it’s a muddy area. There are several death row inmates that have been excecuted for no reason. You can’t just use stats when accounting for someone’s livelihood. If there is a lot of smoke then yes the person deserves punishment. But anyone can be accused for anything
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 1, 2022 1:33:58 GMT -5
Austin Theory had accusations against him and not only is he still on national television winning titles and being put into prominent positions in WWE and groomed as a successor, but people on the internet claim that the accusations were false even though I have yet to see any primary source for the claim. I'm gonna say that even a not-disproven allegation does amount to virtually nothing, all Austin Theory is materially "out" here is some merchandise sales from people who don't wanna buy an accused abuser's merch, and he doesn't even see a dime of merch money under WWE's current contracts anyway. Wrestling has been phenomenally forgiving and slow-moving about allegations unless there is so much so much coming out at once that it physically can't be ignored, or the person cops to it.
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Post by Blade on May 1, 2022 1:38:54 GMT -5
I’m not gonna disagree with the first part of what you said, but you can’t act like false accusations are just nothing. Austin Theory (and potentially riddle) have seemingly false accusations against them which they still get shit for and the perpetrators haven’t been punished nor have they been proven to be false so it’s a muddy area. There are several death row inmates that have been excecuted for no reason. You can’t just use stats when accounting for someone’s livelihood. If there is a lot of smoke then yes the person deserves punishment. But anyone can be accused for anything I'm not saying they're nothing, just that they're very unlikely. Very unlikely things do happen sometimes, but they're not going to be my first assumption. He has a legal right to presumption of innocence, but I'm not a judge or jury member. And it's even less likely to happen more than once, so barring some very astounding revelations, I feel safe deciding he is indeed guilty of what he's accused of. (People being falsely pinned of crimes in general is another matter because, phrasing this carefully to avoid getting too political, there is a fair amount of evidence showing that people have been wrongly convicted, there is a fair amount of evidence against showing that people are frequently falsely accused of sexual assault/rape. Also there's different power structures involved.)
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Post by eJm on May 1, 2022 3:18:22 GMT -5
As said before, we ain’t a judge or jury. We don’t have the means to implement someone of guilt but we do have the right to look at what’s in front of us and decide that for ourselves, hence the court of public opinion. Is it “fair”? Maybe, maybe not but that’s how things are.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 5, 2022 20:52:50 GMT -5
Austin Theory had accusations against him and not only is he still on national television winning titles and being put into prominent positions in WWE and groomed as a successor, but people on the internet claim that the accusations were false even though I have yet to see any primary source for the claim. I'm gonna say that even a not-disproven allegation does amount to virtually nothing, all Austin Theory is materially "out" here is some merchandise sales from people who don't wanna buy an accused abuser's merch, and he doesn't even see a dime of merch money under WWE's current contracts anyway. Wrestling has been phenomenally forgiving and slow-moving about allegations unless there is so much so much coming out at once that it physically can't be ignored, or the person cops to it. This is correct. Theory's accusation is far from disproven. However, the reason so many people think it is disproven is because when people looked into the victim, they saw she was in medical school courses, and thus assumed she was over the age of consent. Also, she deleted her Twitter, so she must have been a liar, right? However, the reality is that she is a honor-level student that is being allowed to take college level courses during high school. But it was just enough of an opening that the headlines incorrectly claiming Theory is proven innocent suffocated the actual explanation. And of course, the real reason she deleted Twitter was because she is a teenager that can't really deal with the stress of having to answer anonymous people about a traumatic incident in her life.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 5, 2022 21:10:11 GMT -5
Austin Theory had accusations against him and not only is he still on national television winning titles and being put into prominent positions in WWE and groomed as a successor, but people on the internet claim that the accusations were false even though I have yet to see any primary source for the claim. I'm gonna say that even a not-disproven allegation does amount to virtually nothing, all Austin Theory is materially "out" here is some merchandise sales from people who don't wanna buy an accused abuser's merch, and he doesn't even see a dime of merch money under WWE's current contracts anyway. Wrestling has been phenomenally forgiving and slow-moving about allegations unless there is so much so much coming out at once that it physically can't be ignored, or the person cops to it. This is correct. Theory's accusation is far from disproven. However, the reason so many people think it is disproven is because when people looked into the victim, they saw she was in medical school courses, and thus assumed she was over the age of consent. Also, she deleted her Twitter, so she must have been a liar, right? However, the reality is that she is a honor-level student that is being allowed to take college level courses during high school. But it was just enough of an opening that the headlines incorrectly claiming Theory is proven innocent suffocated the actual explanation. And of course, the real reason she deleted Twitter was because she is a teenager that can't really deal with the stress of having to answer anonymous people about a traumatic incident in her life. Shit wow okay that'd dispel even the faintest whisperings of what I've seen. Is there a source for that anywhere still? Not to call bullshit, but just so I can see with my own eyes that the layers of "the accusations were proven to be fake" are actually more rotten than the onions my grocery store keeps sending me because I'm ordering online and they always send the online order suckers the worst, can't-move-this-to-people-with-eyes produce
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 5, 2022 21:28:06 GMT -5
This is correct. Theory's accusation is far from disproven. However, the reason so many people think it is disproven is because when people looked into the victim, they saw she was in medical school courses, and thus assumed she was over the age of consent. Also, she deleted her Twitter, so she must have been a liar, right? However, the reality is that she is a honor-level student that is being allowed to take college level courses during high school. But it was just enough of an opening that the headlines incorrectly claiming Theory is proven innocent suffocated the actual explanation. And of course, the real reason she deleted Twitter was because she is a teenager that can't really deal with the stress of having to answer anonymous people about a traumatic incident in her life. Shit wow okay that'd dispel even the faintest whisperings of what I've seen. Is there a source for that anywhere still? Not to call bullshit, but just so I can see with my own eyes that the layers of "the accusations were proven to be fake" are actually more rotten than the onions my grocery store keeps sending me because I'm ordering online and they always send the online order suckers the worst, can't-move-this-to-people-with-eyes produce If the survivor hadn't deleted her Twitter, I might be able to come up the first hand explanation, but alas that's not going to be easy. wwfoldschool.com/update-on-sexual-harassment-accusations-against-wrestlers-paiges-mother-quits-pro-wrestling-austin-theorys-accuser-may-have-lied-about-her-age-jim-cornette-reacts-more/3/However, I can find an article about the victim "lying about her age" that does not actually disprove her allegation at all, and instead merely points out a tweet from 2018 where she states she was a 13 year old nursing student in 2018. Which again, is not impossible if the girl is top of the class and already has career aspirations. I certainly remember honors/AP level courses and even magnet schools were very much a thing when I was in high school.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 5, 2022 21:30:13 GMT -5
Shit wow okay that'd dispel even the faintest whisperings of what I've seen. Is there a source for that anywhere still? Not to call bullshit, but just so I can see with my own eyes that the layers of "the accusations were proven to be fake" are actually more rotten than the onions my grocery store keeps sending me because I'm ordering online and they always send the online order suckers the worst, can't-move-this-to-people-with-eyes produce If the survivor hadn't deleted her Twitter, I might be able to come up the first hand explanation, but alas that's not going to be easy. wwfoldschool.com/update-on-sexual-harassment-accusations-against-wrestlers-paiges-mother-quits-pro-wrestling-austin-theorys-accuser-may-have-lied-about-her-age-jim-cornette-reacts-more/3/However, I can find an article about the victim "lying about her age" that does not actually disprove her allegation at all, and instead merely points out a tweet from 2018 where she states she was a 13 year old nursing student in 2018. Which again, is not impossible if the girl is top of the class and already has career aspirations. I certainly remember honors/AP level courses and even magnet schools were very much a thing when I was in high school. Whatever the case here you've at least provided more actual information and research than the people who go "actually that was disproven" and then never reply to questions about a primary source, so you've done something.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 5, 2022 21:39:29 GMT -5
Whatever the case here you've at least provided more actual information and research than the people who go "actually that was disproven" and then never reply to questions about a primary source, so you've done something. Exactly. It's not like I can prove it one way or the other, and we aren't judges and jury as already covered in the thread. But I do remember when Speaking Out was the big discussion point of the wrestling community, the sentiment that Theory was cleared was based on the idea that she must be lying about her age because she was a nursing student in 2018 at the age of 13.
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Post by noobeast on May 6, 2022 5:21:24 GMT -5
Austin Theory had accusations against him and not only is he still on national television winning titles and being put into prominent positions in WWE and groomed as a successor, but people on the internet claim that the accusations were false even though I have yet to see any primary source for the claim. I'm gonna say that even a not-disproven allegation does amount to virtually nothing, all Austin Theory is materially "out" here is some merchandise sales from people who don't wanna buy an accused abuser's merch, and he doesn't even see a dime of merch money under WWE's current contracts anyway. Wrestling has been phenomenally forgiving and slow-moving about allegations unless there is so much so much coming out at once that it physically can't be ignored, or the person cops to it. This is correct. Theory's accusation is far from disproven. However, the reason so many people think it is disproven is because when people looked into the victim, they saw she was in medical school courses, and thus assumed she was over the age of consent. Also, she deleted her Twitter, so she must have been a liar, right? However, the reality is that she is a honor-level student that is being allowed to take college level courses during high school. But it was just enough of an opening that the headlines incorrectly claiming Theory is proven innocent suffocated the actual explanation. And of course, the real reason she deleted Twitter was because she is a teenager that can't really deal with the stress of having to answer anonymous people about a traumatic incident in her life. This is pretty willfully ignoring that she never actually produced any evidence that she claimed to have. She shared 2 pictures to "prove" he was "obsessed" with her. One was of them together and was a very standard wrestler/fan photo, and the other was her and another wrestler with Theory photo bombing them from about 10 feet back. These were from the same show, not even separate meetings. None of the other "evidence" ever surfaced, nothing from her parents, none of the so-called "gross messages", absolutely nothing to support her claims.
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Post by salz4life on May 6, 2022 16:05:50 GMT -5
I still remember what an actual reckless douche bag he was in the match against Kimber Lee around that same time frame, so this doesn't surprise me at all. youtu.be/wGUGth7iRSYJesus....
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Post by Alice Syndrome on May 7, 2022 13:58:53 GMT -5
I still remember what an actual reckless douche bag he was in the match against Kimber Lee around that same time frame, so this doesn't surprise me at all. youtu.be/wGUGth7iRSYJesus.... There's a video around somewhere of a tag match where Jaka overshoot a dive, and Dickinson takes it out on the person who didn't catch him properly by dragging him to the side of the ring and kicking his head against the support post repeatedly. I think Chris Dickinson might just be a douche.
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