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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 7, 2022 17:03:59 GMT -5
Maybe we really have to stop giving people who actively use nicknames like "Dirty Daddy" the benefit of the doubt of it just being a character name. This kind of thinking is really really unhelpful. Plenty of people who present themselves as joking creeps are legit creeps, plenty aren't. Plenty of people who present themselves as clean cut aren't, and plenty are. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 7, 2022 17:38:01 GMT -5
Maybe we really have to stop giving people who actively use nicknames like "Dirty Daddy" the benefit of the doubt of it just being a character name. This kind of thinking is really really unhelpful. Plenty of people who present themselves as joking creeps are legit creeps, plenty aren't. Plenty of people who present themselves as clean cut aren't, and plenty are. Fastest way to limit expression is to start taking people who deal in transgressive topics and accuse that of being reflective of their real nature. Going down that road clams people up real fast and it leads right back to moral guardian "homosexuality on movies will turn people gay" and "this rock music is satanic and makes people kill themselves" stuff. After Bill Cosby went down, the idea that there's any correlation should have gone with it, and keeping your eyes in that direction will only let his sort thrive. |
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on May 7, 2022 18:18:33 GMT -5
Okay, understandable. I revoke my past comment. Still think it's frustrating that this feels so common.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 10, 2022 23:02:31 GMT -5
Dickinson's run in New Japan has ended before it could really begin, it would seem. It's not exactly a secret he was aiming to be the next big gaijin, but he sabotaged himself by being a bad person to the people who loved him the most.
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Post by Convoy on May 11, 2022 7:57:58 GMT -5
He is still listed against Tanahashi at the Philly tapings the next day, but they aren’t exactly showcasing that match anymore, so it might go away.
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Post by Facetious on Oct 7, 2022 17:22:52 GMT -5
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Post by XIII on Oct 7, 2022 17:45:36 GMT -5
“I would never put my hands on you.
I’m sorry I pushed you into the wall.”
Like what logic is this even.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Oct 7, 2022 17:58:54 GMT -5
Update on Dickinson and WOOOOOOOF. Yikes. I'm sure XPW will book him Dickinson's lawyer must be thrilled. |
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Oct 7, 2022 18:04:24 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, f*** this guy.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 7, 2022 18:14:57 GMT -5
In general it is just unbelievably gross to me the amount of people who any time there is any kind of sexual accusation immediately fly into defend the accused mode no matter what. I can get not rushing to condemn but there are a ton of people out there who seem to believe that any and all accusations need to be immediately dismissed without the slightest bit of consideration or investigation.
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Post by Blade on Oct 7, 2022 18:27:43 GMT -5
A lot of people see the intense social pressure put on someone for being accused of this and in the back of their heads go "This could happen to anyone if someone really hates them, even if it's untrue. It could happen to ME." And in that unreasoning hindbrain fear they ignore that hardly ever happens in reality because of how horrible the experience is for the accuser (and the low chance of success even when it's true).
Also of course celebrities, parasocial relationships et al. "They would never do that!"
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Post by jp49er80 on Oct 8, 2022 5:32:48 GMT -5
In general it is just unbelievably gross to me the amount of people who any time there is any kind of sexual accusation immediately fly into defend the accused mode no matter what. I can get not rushing to condemn but there are a ton of people out there who seem to believe that any and all accusations need to be immediately dismissed without the slightest bit of consideration or investigation. I saw your like on my post and went 'eh? that was months ago' Come back to the thread and...yup. Fun read now, seeing people defend him. Horrifying stuff. |
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Oct 8, 2022 5:40:42 GMT -5
“I would never put my hands on you. I’m sorry I pushed you into the wall.” Like what logic is this even. Very common abusive behavior, but usually not even this blatant. Absolutely disgusting. |
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Oct 8, 2022 5:54:23 GMT -5
In general it is just unbelievably gross to me the amount of people who any time there is any kind of sexual accusation immediately fly into defend the accused mode no matter what. I can get not rushing to condemn but there are a ton of people out there who seem to believe that any and all accusations need to be immediately dismissed without the slightest bit of consideration or investigation. I think people underestimate just how difficult it is to go public about something like being abused, especially sexually. There are people who think that it's very easy to make an accusation like that and it isn't, because if it happened to you then you've got to admit that you were a victim, to dredge up a lot of painful experiences, and to open yourself up to being dismissed off-hand. |
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Oct 8, 2022 7:12:34 GMT -5
I'm always fascinated by the initial "this is absolutely false and I will be getting a lawyer" and then proof comes out, and it's like....I get you want to err on the side of innocence, but you HAD to know there was proof...right?
"He didn't know they saved the text messages" is fair, but in this day and age one would assume if someone does something shitty to someone, and it's documented, that shit's getting saved/shelved for later use.
I dunno, maybe it's just me.
Like my idol George Carlin once said "keep your hands to yourself!"
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Oct 9, 2022 12:36:51 GMT -5
Has Dickinson been working at all since the initial accusations came out against him? I know he was injured in November of last year, I was at the show where it happened. But I believe he came back from that injury and then the accusation came up and I haven't heard his name since.
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Post by Convoy on Oct 9, 2022 12:57:57 GMT -5
Has Dickinson been working at all since the initial accusations came out against him? I know he was injured in November of last year, I was at the show where it happened. But I believe he came back from that injury and then the accusation came up and I haven't heard his name since. GCW dumped him, but New Japan (read: Rocky Romero) kept his stateside bookings and even put him in a title feud with their STRONG champion. |
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Post by salz4life on Oct 10, 2022 9:54:45 GMT -5
Maybe we really have to stop giving people who actively use nicknames like "Dirty Daddy" the benefit of the doubt of it just being a character name. This kind of thinking is really really unhelpful. Plenty of people who present themselves as joking creeps are legit creeps, plenty aren't. Plenty of people who present themselves as clean cut aren't, and plenty are. Didn't Fandango (probably moreso in his Johnny Curtis character) come off as a dirt bag/deviant, but is actually a good guy? It can be done, but the person has to be really good at his job and not truly be scum out of the ring. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 10, 2022 11:13:44 GMT -5
This kind of thinking is really really unhelpful. Plenty of people who present themselves as joking creeps are legit creeps, plenty aren't. Plenty of people who present themselves as clean cut aren't, and plenty are. Didn't Fandango (probably moreso in his Johnny Curtis character) come off as a dirt bag/deviant, but is actually a good guy? It can be done, but the person has to be really good at his job and not truly be scum out of the ring. I actually think even this isn't quite it, it really isn't anything to do with the wrestlers ability to play a perv The wrestler gimmick can be completely divorced from the person, just like an actor or a writer or director Nick Cave never killed anybody despite all the songs he wrote about killing people Bret Easton Ellis has never killed anybody despite having written American Psycho James Cameron is not a murderer despite having filmed the 'deaths' of thousands Pretty sure Bray Wyatt never presented a children's show What you do for work, even as a creative, is absolutely nothing to do with your capacity for committing sexual abuse I understand humanity's impulse to relate the two things, but society as a whole really needs to accept that the capacity for sexual abuse can and does exist in everybody and that being openly interested in sex or kink or anything in that arena has nothing to do with it, just like sexual violence typically has nothing to do with sex |
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Post by Blade on Oct 10, 2022 15:24:05 GMT -5
This kind of thinking is really really unhelpful. Plenty of people who present themselves as joking creeps are legit creeps, plenty aren't. Plenty of people who present themselves as clean cut aren't, and plenty are. Didn't Fandango (probably moreso in his Johnny Curtis character) come off as a dirt bag/deviant, but is actually a good guy? It can be done, but the person has to be really good at his job and not truly be scum out of the ring. To say nothing of Big E. |
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