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Post by auph10imitated on May 4, 2022 5:40:10 GMT -5
I am more interested to know why they wont sign those cards from that specific year?
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Post by hentery on May 4, 2022 5:40:31 GMT -5
Undertaker and Ric Flair, among others, are coming to Megacon here in Orlando in a couple weeks, and both have some very specific pricing and signing info. Taker: Photo Ops $239 $229 per autograph (any item except belts) $249 per autograph on a BELT $99 for "HOF 22" inscription **UNDERTAKER WILL NOT SIGN ANY TRADING CARDS FROM 1991 **UNDERTAKER WILL NOT SIGN ANY WWE/WWF EVENT TICKETS **NO PERSONALIZATIONS OR OTHER INSCRIPTIONS OFFERED Flair: Photo Ops $89 $79 per autograph (any item except belts) $149 per autograph on a BELT $79 for "Nature Boy" inscription **RIC FLAIR WILL NOT SIGN THE 1982 ALL STARS TRADING CARD **NO PERSONALIZATIONS OR OTHER INSCRIPTIONS OFFERED **RIC FLAIR WILL NOT SIGN ANY WWE/WWF EVENT TICKETS Now, I kinda understand the belt thing, but the cards from 1991/1982 and the tickets thing are rather odd, anyone have any backstory on that? Because people are buying up rookie cards getting them signed then selling them for 10x the value. Not sure on tickets but the cards it’s def due to ppl trying to make large amounts of cash fast from a wrassler
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 4, 2022 7:28:13 GMT -5
A quick comment on conventions charging admission: my understanding is that the cons get a cut of the professional photo op money. I actually overheard an agent recently say of an actor, “Tell him to quit being a f***ing idiot! The price is $60 - $40 to him, $10 to the photo company, $10 to the con!”
From what I can tell, autographs and selfies at the table goes straight to the celebrity and their management . Prices are set by the celebrity’s management in most cases.
So it appears that aside from admission, the con’s sources of income are a small cut of the pro photo ops, and vendor/artist alley table fees.
Meanwhile they have to rent the venue, which can vary greatly. It could be as simple as a ballroom at a Holiday Inn, but the last one I attended rented Rupp Arena for 4 days.
Most of the celebrities don’t have an appearance fee, but travel and lodging (possibly meals) are covered by the con.
There’s the advertising budget, which can also be huge. I’ve gone to poorly advertised cons, and it’s definitely not something to skimp on.
Floor staff are often volunteers, but behind the scenes employees have to be paid. Wrist bands, T-shirts, programs & schedules, etc. have to be printed.
I totally get charging admission. It doesn’t seem like it could be profitable otherwise.
That being said, the last one we went to was charging $50 for Saturday passes, so we saved $20 each by going on Sunday instead.
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Post by jason1980s on May 4, 2022 10:12:59 GMT -5
I remember the photos of Undertaker with fans at some other convention recently and he couldn't even be bothered to smile. People were probably paying 200 dollars to get a photo with a guy who looked miserable. And when someone points it out to fans, the ones who have met him say he was "so nice." LOL. It's not even like he physically can't smile. You see him smiling when he's telling stories as himself now. Jim Ross I don't believe can even physically smile due to his bell's palsy, he can come off as gruff but totally understandable. A guy getting Taker photo op money should at least try to crack a smile. To me, it's totally disrespectful to the fans for him not to. And if he doesn't want to smile or keep "kayfabe" then he should come in some sort of costume playing Undertaker not street clothes.
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Post by hentery on May 4, 2022 10:21:23 GMT -5
A quick comment on conventions charging admission: my understanding is that the cons get a cut of the professional photo op money. I actually overheard an agent recently say of an actor, “Tell him to quit being a f***ing idiot! The price is $60 - $40 to him, $10 to the photo company, $10 to the con!” From what I can tell, autographs and selfies at the table goes straight to the celebrity and their management . Prices are set by the celebrity’s management in most cases. So it appears that aside from admission, the con’s sources of income are a small cut of the pro photo ops, and vendor/artist alley table fees. Meanwhile they have to rent the venue, which can vary greatly. It could be as simple as a ballroom at a Holiday Inn, but the last one I attended rented Rupp Arena for 4 days. Most of the celebrities don’t have an appearance fee, but travel and lodging (possibly meals) are covered by the con. There’s the advertising budget, which can also be huge. I’ve gone to poorly advertised cons, and it’s definitely not something to skimp on. Floor staff are often volunteers, but behind the scenes employees have to be paid. Wrist bands, T-shirts, programs & schedules, etc. have to be printed. I totally get charging admission. It doesn’t seem like it could be profitable otherwise. That being said, the last one we went to was charging $50 for Saturday passes, so we saved $20 each by going on Sunday instead. That is correct. Especially with smaller - mid tier people the convention holders will charge for the right to be there, reasoning they’re going to make a mint anyway. It’s not always a cut of the photo money, it can be a flat rate fee, something off other merch or worn for space. They’ll pay out for a bigger name in hopes of drawing a larger crowd and increasing their profit off the lower tier acts. It’s carnie as all get out to be honest. I’ve heard of the convention getting upwards of 30% off the ppl they booked.
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Post by Big BosskMan on May 4, 2022 11:31:28 GMT -5
Undertaker and Ric Flair, among others, are coming to Megacon here in Orlando in a couple weeks, and both have some very specific pricing and signing info. Taker: Photo Ops $239 $229 per autograph (any item except belts) $249 per autograph on a BELT $99 for "HOF 22" inscription **UNDERTAKER WILL NOT SIGN ANY TRADING CARDS FROM 1991 **UNDERTAKER WILL NOT SIGN ANY WWE/WWF EVENT TICKETS **NO PERSONALIZATIONS OR OTHER INSCRIPTIONS OFFERED Flair: Photo Ops $89 $79 per autograph (any item except belts) $149 per autograph on a BELT $79 for "Nature Boy" inscription **RIC FLAIR WILL NOT SIGN THE 1982 ALL STARS TRADING CARD **NO PERSONALIZATIONS OR OTHER INSCRIPTIONS OFFERED **RIC FLAIR WILL NOT SIGN ANY WWE/WWF EVENT TICKETS Now, I kinda understand the belt thing, but the cards from 1991/1982 and the tickets thing are rather odd, anyone have any backstory on that? Part of me wants to believe the Taker 1991 trading card thing is like the Billy Ripken 1989 trading card rib he got pulled on him. Google it, kids.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on May 4, 2022 12:42:34 GMT -5
Undertaker and Ric Flair, among others, are coming to Megacon here in Orlando in a couple weeks, and both have some very specific pricing and signing info. Taker: Photo Ops $239 $229 per autograph (any item except belts) $249 per autograph on a BELT $99 for "HOF 22" inscription **UNDERTAKER WILL NOT SIGN ANY TRADING CARDS FROM 1991 **UNDERTAKER WILL NOT SIGN ANY WWE/WWF EVENT TICKETS **NO PERSONALIZATIONS OR OTHER INSCRIPTIONS OFFERED Flair: Photo Ops $89 $79 per autograph (any item except belts) $149 per autograph on a BELT $79 for "Nature Boy" inscription **RIC FLAIR WILL NOT SIGN THE 1982 ALL STARS TRADING CARD **NO PERSONALIZATIONS OR OTHER INSCRIPTIONS OFFERED **RIC FLAIR WILL NOT SIGN ANY WWE/WWF EVENT TICKETS Now, I kinda understand the belt thing, but the cards from 1991/1982 and the tickets thing are rather odd, anyone have any backstory on that? Part of me wants to believe the Taker 1991 trading card thing is like the Billy Ripken 1989 trading card rib he got pulled on him. Google it, kids.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on May 4, 2022 13:30:34 GMT -5
Again, I ask, if you’re getting a picture with Undertaker, would you really want him to be smiling?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 13:51:23 GMT -5
$229 to sign a cucumber?
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Post by sdoyle7798 on May 4, 2022 14:16:54 GMT -5
Again, I ask, if you’re getting a picture with Undertaker, would you really want him to be smiling? Also, that may just be what the man does for pictures. I know many people who don't smile for them. It's just their thing. Also, especially at a convention, I imagine that could be exhausting (though I do know there are people that smile for every picture). But the dude not smiling doesn't mean he's not a great guy. It just means he doesn't smile for pictures.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 4, 2022 14:32:51 GMT -5
To be fair, most of the wrestlers I’ve gotten photos with didn’t smile, including Bobby Eaton, who is generally regarded as the nicest guy in wrestling. I’m not saying they looked bored or disinterested, just not smiling.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 4, 2022 14:33:25 GMT -5
240 bucks for a generic autograph saying The Undertaker. Man, ol boy is greedy Hard not to wonder sometimes if the dude made bad investments or something. I know he had two divorces, both of which likely came at some of his peak years so that probably ate up a lot of his money, but he's still been milked for so much merch, and had so many marquee matches as long as he physically could, and then after when it'd have been wise to hang it up. Does feel like he's only ramped up the greed in recent years, rather than getting to relax. He poured millions into real estate in 2007, right before the collapse.
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Post by Aceorton on May 4, 2022 22:34:59 GMT -5
There is a term in marketing and retail called "insult pricing" that really resonates here. You're gonna tack on $99 to scribble "HOF 22" next to your name? Piss off, Taker. I wouldn't pay more than $25 for a pic with either of these guys, in any setting, and I wouldn't pay for an autograph, period. You're not THAT big a deal, fellas.
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Post by jason1980s on May 4, 2022 22:37:09 GMT -5
There is a term in marketing and retail called "insult pricing" that really resonates here. You're gonna tack on $99 to scribble "HOF 22" next to your name? Piss off, Taker. I wouldn't pay more than $25 for a pic with either of these guys, in any setting, and I wouldn't pay for an autograph, period. You're not THAT big a deal, fellas. The thing is, people do pay it and will continue to pay it even when prices eventually go up. As long as people stop paying, they won't charge as much but they won't stop paying. People "HAVE" to have a Flair or Undertaker autograph or photo op.
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Post by ianriccaboni on May 5, 2022 1:11:39 GMT -5
1982? How long have wrestling trading cards been around? 1880s/1890s
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Post by r. on May 5, 2022 2:10:02 GMT -5
I've told the longer version of this story here before but here goes;
This was in 06 Cena, HBK, Ric Flair and some diva whose name I've forgotten were doing a signing
Cena was champion at the time and HBK was feuding with Trips, I think. Anyway, Cena was charging only 25$ for a photo with an autograph which my dad opted for.
Flair was asking 30-35 if you got a photo but HBK for whatever reason was charging 100$ just for an Autograph. It's etched into my brain a little kid crying badly because his mom couldn't afford to get him an HBK one that he wanted all while Shawn sat there looking bored and uninterested.
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Post by pinja on May 5, 2022 3:16:30 GMT -5
1982? How long have wrestling trading cards been around? 1880s/1890s Still have that mint condition Mickie James.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 5, 2022 3:39:42 GMT -5
I do wonder if that stipulation is something either man asked for and wasn't done by the people paying for them to be there. They're being paid for by Fiterman sports group, a memorabilia company, one that no doubt has a lot of Undertaker and Flair cards slabbed and ready for sale so they aren't going to make it any easier for people to flood the market.
As much as I like crapping on Taker for being a lousy person, it really does seem like it's not him, given how Flair has similar stips.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 5, 2022 7:15:26 GMT -5
This is why I prefer the indies.
Wrestlers come in and wrestle like a f***ing rock star and then you can chat to them afterwards, and even if the merch is overpriced an experience comes with it. Twenty bucks got me a conversation, shirt and a hug from Viper. 0 bucks got me a really sweet conversation with Nicole Matthews.
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Post by SirLucas on May 5, 2022 16:57:31 GMT -5
There is a term in marketing and retail called "insult pricing" that really resonates here. You're gonna tack on $99 to scribble "HOF 22" next to your name? Piss off, Taker. I wouldn't pay more than $25 for a pic with either of these guys, in any setting, and I wouldn't pay for an autograph, period. You're not THAT big a deal, fellas. And Flair charging an extra $90 to add "Nature Boy" to the signature. WTF! Does Steve Austin charge extra to add the "Stone Cold" to items he signs?
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