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Post by sungod2020 on May 12, 2022 19:19:14 GMT -5
For those who say The Warrior lacked a human side and rambles incoherently, I think that's only half true. He was able to cut a good promo when he wanted to like this one here... www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp0dEZnx9aQI do agree with all the other points though in regards to lack of credible challengers. And yes, I do agree with Earthquake being a good first opponent for him. He could put Hogan out on the shelves the same way he did before, and then have Warrior avenge Hogan. During that time, he can also brutally attack Warrior to expose his vulnerable side. The way Warrior acted nearly a year later(with that sit down interview he did on Prime Time talking calmly) when he got stuffed in the casket by The Undertaker can easily be used for his feud with Quake. This would lead to a match at Summerslam, where Warrior barely squeeks by. Hogan could return by Survivor Series to get his revenge on Quake and they can captain their teams(same as before) and eventually wrap up there feud at the Royal Rumble. There's still a matter of re-heating Earthquake having taking losses to The Ultimate Warrior AND Hulk Hogan. After Warrior's feud with Quake, he can go onto Randy "Macho Man" Savage. They can captain their teams(Ultimate Warrior would have Texas Tornado and L.O.D, while Savage would have Mr. Perfect and Demolition). To make Savage's want for a title shot valid(or valid as you can get for a heel), he can eliminate The Ultimate Warrior when it's down to two of them. Just have Sherri distract the referee and Savage hits him with the scepter, knocking him out cold and advancing to the grand finale. This leads Warrior to accepting his challenge and he'd put the belt on the line at the Royal Rumble, with Warrior coming out on top. He can then have a rematch with Hogan at Wrestlemania VII(hopefully this time at the Memorial Coliseum since Slaughter wouldn't be champion to slow down ticket sales), where Hogan can have his win back. There's still a matter of what to do with Savage though since his match with Warrior would be butterflied away. But yeah, I'm sure Warrior's reign could've worked better given it's limitations at the time. |
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on May 13, 2022 11:29:20 GMT -5
At the time Warrior totally connected with the fans and everyone was ready for whatever was next but .... there wasn't anything setup for him. You can see that because they eventually had to turn to a past his prime Sgt Slaughter to get a vaguely valid heel setup.
The only other option is they bring someone in, but I have no idea who was either a free agent or they could lure from another promotion that might fit the bill.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 13, 2022 12:26:24 GMT -5
Nothing. He was fine as a champion while Hulk did his Quake feud, which didn't need a title.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on May 13, 2022 12:59:44 GMT -5
He wasn't Hogan, and the-times-they-were-a-changing?
Booking, booking is what went wrong.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 13, 2022 13:40:34 GMT -5
The only other option is they bring someone in, but I have no idea who was either a free agent or they could lure from another promotion that might fit the bill. This is an idea to explore. Who could they have brought in from the outside to fill the role? The territories were pretty much dead, any still around too bush league to have anybody worthwhile. AWA, if not already dead, was on its last breaths, and it was a wasteland as well. I suppose they could've tried Japan, Muta might've worked if promoted right, but that was never Vince's style. That leaves WCW who, as I've already said, was having the same problem building credible opponents for Sting. I suppose they could've brought in lesser tier guys and tried to re-package them, but that's always a crapshoot. |
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Post by thecrusherwi on May 13, 2022 14:17:15 GMT -5
As a kid, I was always a little afraid of the Warrior. I never cheered for him like I cheered for Hogan. He seemed like an inhuman monster that always was ranting about other dimensions and sacrifices and such. I was always preparing for him to turn into a bad guy because he was so intense. And I always resented him a bit because he took the title from Hogan. It was fine if he wanted to beat up Rick Rude and chase Bobby Heenan out of buildings, but once he took Hulk's belt, I soured on him a bit. I wonder if there were a lot of fans who felt the same way.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 13, 2022 14:24:15 GMT -5
Didn't we have this thread recently?
A few things... he didn't really have any new feuds to deal with...
Hogan's main event promos wer rambly but they generally were easier to follow than Warrior's...
the changing in times... not that the 80's action heroes completely disappeared overnight but they were starting to wain in general in pop culture....
Hogan being Hogan I'm sure was a factor...
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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 13, 2022 15:55:55 GMT -5
He wasn't Hogan, and the-times-they-were-a-changing? Booking, booking is what went wrong. It took until 1998 to get the "next Hogan" in Austin. Both Savage the years prior and Warrior lived in Hogan's shadow when World Champion. Shawn and Bret suffered without the Hogan factor and less eyes on the product. There isn't really anyone at the time that could have taken the reigns off near prime Hogan and prospered accordingly. It's almost like what happened when a new Bond succeeded Sean Connery. |
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Post by celtics543 on May 13, 2022 15:59:06 GMT -5
They should've turned Hogan heel over the course of a couple months in a "sore loser" kind of way. Like he big times Warrior and goes arrogant heel five years earlier than he did.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 13, 2022 18:41:13 GMT -5
Didn't we have this thread recently? A few things... he didn't really have any new feuds to deal with... Hogan's main event promos wer rambly but they generally were easier to follow than Hogan's... the changing in times... not that the 80's action heroes completely disappeared overnight but they were starting to wain in general in pop culture.... Hogan being Hogan I'm sure was a factor... Probably like once a season it comes up. And everyone says the same things. At least, we the fans, basically all agree why it didn’t work out. |
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Post by tirtefaa on May 13, 2022 19:07:09 GMT -5
Shawn and Bret suffered without the Hogan factor and less eyes on the product. I mean, it didn't really help that the vast majority of the undercard was bland hokey acts. Some of that would work in the 80's when you didn't have a live wrestling show every week, but when you put out numerous uninteresting acts, and you only have maybe 8 guys who are remotely interesting...it's no wonder WWF got destroyed by WCW a lot of the time. |
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Post by wgdj on May 15, 2022 7:42:33 GMT -5
Warrior should have feuded with Earthquake.
The setup could have been similar. Post title win, Warrior doesn't do a whole lot -- rather than literally immediately entering into a program with Rude -- until Earthquake crushes Hogan. Warrior, having been handed the title by Hogan, vows to defend his fallen friend's honour by taking on Earthquake, and he's so certain that he'll win that he's willing to put the title on the line. Let's not forget that Earthquake debuted by doing a similar thing to Warrior that he did to Hogan.
Warrior slamming Earthquake could have been built up to be the new Hogan/Andre slam.
It writes itself!
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Post by Squirrel Master on May 17, 2022 20:03:38 GMT -5
Great possible opponents come to mind, some of the guys that worked in Texas, who sadly didn’t live to see Warrior’s ascension: the late David Von Erich and Bruiser Brody. Why not use Terry Funk (still in great shape), or a heel Bam Bam Bigelow or King Kong Bundy?
Barry Windham (with Blackjack Mulligan in his corner) could have gotten some good matches out of Warrior, or perhaps give a couple of singles title shots to Hawk and Animal for the (painted) face vs. face dynamic. Maniac Mark Lewin and Missing Link, who were older but had the size to look like credible threats to Warrior. In Puerto Rico, you had Carlos Colon and Hercules Ayala and Abdullah the Butcher. Why not Stan Hansen? Masahiro Chono or Great Muta from Japan? Relatively unknown Savannah Jack from UWF? The answer is money. There were plenty of capable guys out there to make Warrior’s title defenses interesting, who could hide his limitations.
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Post by wildojinx on May 18, 2022 16:08:18 GMT -5
Great possible opponents come to mind, some of the guys that worked in Texas, who sadly didn’t live to see Warrior’s ascension: the late David Von Erich and Bruiser Brody. Why not use Terry Funk (still in great shape), or a heel Bam Bam Bigelow or King Kong Bundy? Barry Windham (with Blackjack Mulligan in his corner) could have gotten some good matches out of Warrior, or perhaps give a couple of singles title shots to Hawk and Animal for the (painted) face vs. face dynamic. Maniac Mark Lewin and Missing Link, who were older but had the size to look like credible threats to Warrior. In Puerto Rico, you had Carlos Colon and Hercules Ayala and Abdullah the Butcher. Why not Stan Hansen? Masahiro Chono or Great Muta from Japan? Relatively unknown Savannah Jack from UWF? The answer is money. There were plenty of capable guys out there to make Warrior’s title defenses interesting, who could hide his limitations. Windham, Bigelow, and Hansen were in WCW at the time. |
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Post by CeilingFan on May 18, 2022 16:17:06 GMT -5
I would say 60% bad booking, 40% Warrior's failure to evolve as a character.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on May 18, 2022 17:29:32 GMT -5
As awesome as the Ultimate Warrior character was, I don’t think he had that down to earth quality that you need to have in order to be a relatable face of the company guy. Hogan in comparison was more down to earth and was like a real person, in 80s terms of course. Steve Austin was relatable. The Rock was so cool that he was the guy everyone wanted to be, and people still related to him. Even super Cena felt like a real person.
The Ultimate Warrior was an over the top super hero, which does appeal to kids, but probably doesn’t relate to many other demographics. It would be like if they tried to make The Undertaker the true face of the company. He was extremely cool and awesome, but not someone you really relate to.
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