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Post by nickcave on May 24, 2022 13:45:10 GMT -5
Was Foley's WM match with Edge his last truly great moment? Did he do anything of note after that?
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on May 24, 2022 16:02:37 GMT -5
Was Foley's WM match with Edge his last truly great moment? Did he do anything of note after that? The ONS match is actually really good. A bloody violent brawl. But it's probably the last really good thing Mickie did. The Flair matches were just ok, and his TNA run was weird.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 24, 2022 16:05:11 GMT -5
I get what he was going for, between this and the Flair I Quit match, but I think that it didn't feel earned because they hadn't really done much to establish Melina and Mick having much of a connection. Melina's one of those people who some people really wanted to go to bat for. Wasn't just Mick, either, as, if I recall, Bret Hart really talked up Melina as being a revelation, too. I thought she was a highlight of a down period, but also someone who got in her own way a lot, eventually blowing the spots she'd get. Looking at her move set, I get why Melina got those props. She was sloppy but undeniably doing stuff that the other women on the roster just weren’t doing.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on May 24, 2022 16:21:17 GMT -5
I won't defend The Hardcore Diaries and, frankly, Mick won't either. He says as much in 'Countdown to Lockdown' (which is a great worthwhile read) and has said as much when it's come up in interviews over the past decade.
I will say, and this again isn't defending the book in any way, it's very much a product of its time. Not as in "its time in wrestling" but in a time for sports books in general. Let's look at the proper context of how it was written and released. There was a market circa 2004-2008 for in-depth athletes and coaches essentially stream-of-conscious writing their day-to-day. They all match the exact same tone as Mick's - especially the more bitter, vulgar and hyper-personal parts. Asking for wild things the authors know they'd never, ever get was par for the course. It's for the reader to imagine these unlimited budget scenarios for coaches and managers so the reader can enjoy the type of fantasy that otherwise wouldn't fit into any other sports non-fiction read.
As an author, it's Mick being guilty of following a trend that didn't and doesn't reflect who he is based on his writing before and after it. It was a sub-genre attempt that should have probably never seen bookshelves. Since it's such an outlier, I wouldn't use it as evidence of Mick as a person or his opinions in really any way.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 24, 2022 16:53:35 GMT -5
He's a great guy but with Hardcore Diaries and Countdown to Lockdown I realized Foley has an ego just as big as any other wrestler.
As others have said, he genuinely thought all of his ideas for that 2006 feud were brilliant. And he wrote another whole ass book about his feud with Sting in TNA. He writes about it like it's a masterpiece when in reality its two older guys taking up main event spots who honestly should have been nowhere near the world title in 2009.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 24, 2022 17:33:06 GMT -5
Was Foley's WM match with Edge his last truly great moment? Did he do anything of note after that? I'd say the One Night Stand match was his last real hurrah. Maybe Edge's, "I understand," promo?
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Post by tirtefaa on May 24, 2022 17:52:55 GMT -5
Foley's promo on Flair on the July 31st Raw is legitimately one of my favorite promos of all time.
"The only thing that you and I can agree on...is family. I'm shootin' straight here with you, Ric. I'll tell you, when you picked up that phone and individually, one by one dialed each of your four children and told them you loved them...just because you never know. Those are your words. Just because you never know. That touched me. I mean, maybe I'm just a little bit envious, Ric... because I think I'm a good dad. And I think I'm a good friend, but deep down I know I'll never have the bonding experience with my children, like you did. You see Ric, I'll never know what it's like to look my children right in eye and say "Kids, your dad's just been arrested"."
It's amazing considering that Flair and Foley are two of the best promos of all time, that Foley absolutely owned Flair every step of the way.
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Post by ppl591 on May 24, 2022 21:46:38 GMT -5
Just wanna add. Hardcore diaries is one of the worst wrestling bios I've read. On the level of the rock and Chyna bad
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 25, 2022 11:39:45 GMT -5
Was Foley's WM match with Edge his last truly great moment? Did he do anything of note after that? The ONS match is actually really good. A bloody violent brawl. But it's probably the last really good thing Mickie did. The Flair matches were just ok, and his TNA run was weird. That match with him and Sting was way better than it had any right to be
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 25, 2022 12:28:27 GMT -5
Foley's promo on Flair on the July 31st Raw is legitimately one of my favorite promos of all time. "The only thing that you and I can agree on...is family. I'm shootin' straight here with you, Ric. I'll tell you, when you picked up that phone and individually, one by one dialed each of your four children and told them you loved them...just because you never know. Those are your words. Just because you never know. That touched me. I mean, maybe I'm just a little bit envious, Ric... because I think I'm a good dad. And I think I'm a good friend, but deep down I know I'll never have the bonding experience with my children, like you did. You see Ric, I'll never know what it's like to look my children right in eye and say "Kids, your dad's just been arrested"." It's amazing considering that Flair and Foley are two of the best promos of all time, that Foley absolutely owned Flair every step of the way. It was such a weird feud. Mick was pulling out all stops in the promos like it was mid 90s ECW and Ric just couldn't be bothered to put any effort into it, like he was annoyed to be working with Mick or something.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 25, 2022 13:00:59 GMT -5
Literally the only thing I remembered from this was Flair raking the barbed wire bat on Mick’s forehead, Melina coming to ringside to make him stop, and Flair shouting, “Get out of here, bitch, I’ll kill you too!”
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Post by oxbaker on May 25, 2022 13:26:22 GMT -5
I think my best fantasy booking came from this. I forget the exact time frame, but I wanted Nitro and Melina to turn on Mercury for being an ugly freak after his face exploded. Mick Foley, who also had been wrong by Melina, takes a newly disfigured Mercury under his wing and makes him the new hardcore crazy guy. OK, but only if we later get Mick & Merc Security.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on May 25, 2022 16:40:58 GMT -5
Mick has been one of my favourite wrestlers since WCW. Loved “Have a Nice Day”, and “Foley is Good”, but “Hardcore Diaries” was bad. Mick was coming off as miserable writing it, the pages where he’d talk about lusting over the Divas were creepy, I couldn’t even finish the book. I'm exactly the same, and I went on to see him live and loved it, but yeah I couldn't finish Hardcore Diaries. I wasn't watching WWE in 2005 either and later got the book as a present and so had no idea of anything Mick had done around that time and was so confused like "wait, Foley really had a storyline with Melina, what?" The idea that he had come back at all and had matches post-2000 was so surreal to me and still is.
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Post by nickcave on May 26, 2022 13:29:17 GMT -5
Foley's promo on Flair on the July 31st Raw is legitimately one of my favorite promos of all time. "The only thing that you and I can agree on...is family. I'm shootin' straight here with you, Ric. I'll tell you, when you picked up that phone and individually, one by one dialed each of your four children and told them you loved them...just because you never know. Those are your words. Just because you never know. That touched me. I mean, maybe I'm just a little bit envious, Ric... because I think I'm a good dad. And I think I'm a good friend, but deep down I know I'll never have the bonding experience with my children, like you did. You see Ric, I'll never know what it's like to look my children right in eye and say "Kids, your dad's just been arrested"." It's amazing considering that Flair and Foley are two of the best promos of all time, that Foley absolutely owned Flair every step of the way. Oh yeah I forgot about his promos during the Flair feud, those were really good. We had not seen that level of heel Foley since the late 90s
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