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Post by Jaws the Shark on May 23, 2022 14:55:38 GMT -5
I get what he was going for, between this and the Flair I Quit match, but I think that it didn't feel earned because they hadn't really done much to establish Melina and Mick having much of a connection. Melina's one of those people who some people really wanted to go to bat for. Wasn't just Mick, either, as, if I recall, Bret Hart really talked up Melina as being a revelation, too. I thought she was a highlight of a down period, but also someone who got in her own way a lot, eventually blowing the spots she'd get. I used to think that she was a bit of a nightmare to work with because a lot of people had said less than complimentary things about her, but as time has gone on I've begun to wonder if it's not as cut and dry as that. There were a lot of people who didn't like her, but I remember in London and Kendrick's shoot they talked about how certain people in the locker room had gone out of their way to frankly bully her, and how she was the victim of a particularly cruel Wrestler's Court. So I wonder if she really was that bad, or if she just got on the wrong side of a few influential people and the others fell into line. Or perhaps somewhere in the middle.
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Post by chronocross on May 23, 2022 15:07:43 GMT -5
I remember the segment being really weird as Foley was practically slobbering over McMahon's ass, I wish Foley stayed on the new ECW brand but I guess it was just to get the ONS hype going.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on May 23, 2022 15:31:15 GMT -5
So basically, Foley kind of pushed himself into one of the top matches for One Night Stand 2006. He felt that if he turned heel and teamed with Edge, he would be able to make Edge a bigger star. He starts advocating to get Tommy Dreamer and Terry Funk involved, but Vince's writers basically only see them as jobbers and don't really see the angle as a huge deal. Foley had this idea that Funk would end the Kiss My Ass Club (yeah, Foley had a weird obsession with the KMA during this) by biting Vince's ass. Of course, that doesn't happen and now Foley is upset that his vision is being ignored. Wanting to somehow salvage... whatever he was going for, he pitched adding Melina to the angle. At the same time, he gets it in his head that he would somehow be working with Cena at SummerSlam(?). Instead, creative pitches the Flair feud, which Foley didn't want to do, but agrees, IF Vince lets him do the Melina angle. So they start having them interact onscreen (during one segment, Johnny Nitro awkwardly told Mick and Melina to keep it sexy lol), leading to SummerSlam. During the match, Melina gets involved in the finish, then the Kiss My Ass angle happened the following night and then... nothing.
I think, when all is said and done, people will point to the Hardcore Diaries as the first public sign of Mick's concussion issues becoming obvious. Love the dude, but he was clearly delusional and all over the place when pitching that angle to Vince.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on May 23, 2022 15:32:18 GMT -5
I remember the segment being really weird as Foley was practically slobbering over McMahon's ass, I wish Foley stayed on the new ECW brand but I guess it was just to get the ONS hype going. Foley didn't even realize ECW was being revived as a brand until the Flair/Big Show match happened.
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 23, 2022 15:51:22 GMT -5
I get what he was going for, between this and the Flair I Quit match, but I think that it didn't feel earned because they hadn't really done much to establish Melina and Mick having much of a connection. Melina's one of those people who some people really wanted to go to bat for. Wasn't just Mick, either, as, if I recall, Bret Hart really talked up Melina as being a revelation, too. I thought she was a highlight of a down period, but also someone who got in her own way a lot, eventually blowing the spots she'd get. I used to think that she was a bit of a nightmare to work with because a lot of people had said less than complimentary things about her, but as time has gone on I've begun to wonder if it's not as cut and dry as that. There were a lot of people who didn't like her, but I remember in London and Kendrick's shoot they talked about how certain people in the locker room had gone out of their way to frankly bully her, and how she was the victim of a particularly cruel Wrestler's Court. So I wonder if she really was that bad, or if she just got on the wrong side of a few influential people and the others fell into line. Or perhaps somewhere in the middle. Probably a bit of both. Plus while being a wrestler means you have to be at least a little full of yourself there is that double standard where a man is "confident" while a woman is a "bitch".
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Post by Gerard Gerard on May 23, 2022 16:06:23 GMT -5
I think ‘Hardcore Diaries’ was the first time I’d ever witnessed an author inadvertently wrote their own character assassination. I am still mildly bemused that Foley, at various stages, must have gone ‘yes, that’s the book I want to put out there.’
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Post by cjh on May 23, 2022 16:08:47 GMT -5
I remember the segment being really weird as Foley was practically slobbering over McMahon's ass, I wish Foley stayed on the new ECW brand but I guess it was just to get the ONS hype going. Foley didn't even realize ECW was being revived as a brand until the Flair/Big Show match happened. Did Foley say that? He was in the ring with Paul Heyman in May 2006 when Heyman announced ECW was returning and drafted Kurt Angle. Flair/Show happened in July.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 23, 2022 16:11:00 GMT -5
I think ‘Hardcore Diaries’ was the first time I’d ever witnessed an author inadvertently wrote their own character assassination. I am still mildly bemused that Foley, at various stages, must have gone ‘yes, that’s the book I want to put out there.’ I thought that on most of his books... post like the first two. a lot of them are just... why are you putting this in writing? Why do you think this makes you sound like the good guy... OR make you think this would work in any capacity.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on May 23, 2022 16:18:56 GMT -5
Foley didn't even realize ECW was being revived as a brand until the Flair/Big Show match happened. Did Foley say that? He was in the ring with Paul Heyman in May 2006 when Heyman announced ECW was returning and drafted Kurt Angle. Flair/Show happened in July. Was he? I swear I remember reading that he said he didn't know.
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Post by cjh on May 23, 2022 16:43:25 GMT -5
Did Foley say that? He was in the ring with Paul Heyman in May 2006 when Heyman announced ECW was returning and drafted Kurt Angle. Flair/Show happened in July. Was he? I swear I remember reading that he said he didn't know. www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSE9KOh0aroThere's the segment.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on May 23, 2022 17:01:24 GMT -5
Then whatever I read was wrong or his memory was bad back then. (Or my memory is bad but shhh!)
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 23, 2022 17:07:10 GMT -5
Feel like Foley is really good at recognizing when a storyline is bad, but he's not so great at coming up with anything better.
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Post by Aceorton on May 23, 2022 18:18:18 GMT -5
I think ‘Hardcore Diaries’ was the first time I’d ever witnessed an author inadvertently wrote their own character assassination. I am still mildly bemused that Foley, at various stages, must have gone ‘yes, that’s the book I want to put out there.’ I thought that on most of his books... post like the first two. a lot of them are just... why are you putting this in writing? Why do you think this makes you sound like the good guy... OR make you think this would work in any capacity. Even in the earlier books, his tendency to overshare things like his dirty bedroom banter with his wife was unsettling. I really don't need to know that, Mick. Tell me more about the guys at work. The Melina fixation was really cringy (wonder what Colette thought of that), but I still think the grand prize for Why Would You Put That in Your Book goes to Jerry Lawler and his sad attempts to get over the Kat by finding a new valet who also would provide him sex.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 23, 2022 18:30:23 GMT -5
Just popped open Hardcore Diaries to a random page, kind of just out of curiosity, and something that feels extremely telling about Mick's mindset, wound up with a story about how for some reason WWE decided during Evolution's three-on-one beatdown on him that they weren't allowed to use blood or weapons, so Foley pulled Orton aside and told him to punch him in the eyebrow over and over to bust him open hardway. Feels like that kind of thinking does a lot to really explain the state he's in these days.
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Post by Tiffany Stratton's Daddy on May 23, 2022 18:33:46 GMT -5
I just thought he was a simp for Melina this whole time
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Post by Starshine on May 23, 2022 18:51:38 GMT -5
I hated Foley during this period. It just felt like we were watching the dude going through a crisis in real time.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 23, 2022 19:05:12 GMT -5
I get what he was going for, between this and the Flair I Quit match, but I think that it didn't feel earned because they hadn't really done much to establish Melina and Mick having much of a connection. Melina's one of those people who some people really wanted to go to bat for. Wasn't just Mick, either, as, if I recall, Bret Hart really talked up Melina as being a revelation, too. I thought she was a highlight of a down period, but also someone who got in her own way a lot, eventually blowing the spots she'd get. I used to think that she was a bit of a nightmare to work with because a lot of people had said less than complimentary things about her, but as time has gone on I've begun to wonder if it's not as cut and dry as that. There were a lot of people who didn't like her, but I remember in London and Kendrick's shoot they talked about how certain people in the locker room had gone out of their way to frankly bully her, and how she was the victim of a particularly cruel Wrestler's Court. So I wonder if she really was that bad, or if she just got on the wrong side of a few influential people and the others fell into line. Or perhaps somewhere in the middle. It's probably in the middle. Like, I do know sometimes things could get really damn misogynistic, or people would be punished over the dumbest things, like Triple H wanting to do a wrestler's court over Ivory and some of the other divas losing a volleyball game, as if it made the WWE look bad in any meaningful way to lose that.
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Post by fw91 on May 23, 2022 19:15:55 GMT -5
what a weird time in Foley's career timeline.
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Post by nickcave on May 23, 2022 19:52:32 GMT -5
Foley’s mid 00s WWE run and his TNA run are his period of “this guy has stayed far past his welcome” like there’s no reason Foley should have been getting PPV WWE title shots in 2007
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 23, 2022 21:05:59 GMT -5
My only memory of this period is from the Flair-Foley bloodbath. Flair was working over Mick with a barbed wire bat when she came to the ring to beg for mercy.
Ric shouted, “Get out of here, bitch, I’ll kill you too!”
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