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Post by The Ichi on Jun 5, 2022 14:12:27 GMT -5
I can kind of see it being Mox/Tanahasi and the BBC cost Mox the match for "abandoning" them. Mox worked for the British Broadcasting Company? I'm not editing it because I like it better lol
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Post by Fade on Jun 5, 2022 16:07:09 GMT -5
I was thinking about it, and the whole story would benefit greatly if they kept Punk around simply as an on-air personality. He can't wrestle sure. But have him show up to do commentary at Forbidden Door if he's able. Bring him out when he can travel and is in a cast and on crutches. Keep his presence consistent as we watch him slowly heal up, and see him get more, and more "anxious" and "hungry" to get back in the ring and prove he's the only Champ. I'm not saying he should be on every Dynamite or Rampage, but if Mox wins (ugh) have him there on commentary for promos, for matches, give Mox someone to talk to while he's cutting promos or something to "play to" while he's wrestling defending his Interim Championship. I know it's easier to stay home and convalesce, but I think they could do some cool stuff with Punk as a personality by having him be there. The story doesn't go cold. It doesn't fade away until he comes back. He's present, and there's a pulse that will slowly get faster and faster. I think you could do some fun storytelling with it. It could STILL be the Summer of Punk. Just in a different way. Agreed. Punk on commentary in 2011 was a great prelude to his breakout summer in WWE. Started on November 22nd. Hell of a coinky dink but I started watching that last night lol
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 6, 2022 10:07:22 GMT -5
The political entanglements of a big show coming up and that show being a co-promoted crossover show with a major business partner are worth a lot more than the kayfabe sanctity of a ranking system that has always loosely been a question of getting the right, desired pieces into place, where the wheels are always greased to produce whatever result it needs to get planned matches to happen. Frankly, no, the rankings shouldn't be treated as a shoot. And this situation kind of is unavoidable. You can't put Wardlow into the co-main of your big show with New Japan. That'd be a really dumb idea from a business standpoint, and if you're putting show sales and the satisfaction of a major partner on the line because oopsie you didn't think the worst case scenario would happen with your champion, then that's just not the right alignment of priorities at all. Nobody signed to NJPW should be involved in any way with crowning a new AEW champion. I'm ready for this thing to be over with. You have a PPV this month that doesn't need a title. The next PPV that matters is like three months away. This FD PPV is mucking everything up, and I'll say it will be the lowest buy of an AEW PPV yet. Kind of a self-defeating prophecy to say the show needs no title but will do the lowest buys. "Ope sorry guys our title is going to sleep, please buy Forbidden Door to see exhibition matches and a foregone conclusion defense of another company's title" would hurt the buys.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 6, 2022 10:12:10 GMT -5
Nobody signed to NJPW should be involved in any way with crowning a new AEW champion. I'm ready for this thing to be over with. You have a PPV this month that doesn't need a title. The next PPV that matters is like three months away. This FD PPV is mucking everything up, and I'll say it will be the lowest buy of an AEW PPV yet. Kind of a self-defeating prophecy to say the show needs no title but will do the lowest buys. "Ope sorry guys our title is going to sleep, please buy Forbidden Door to see exhibition matches and a foregone conclusion defense of another company's title" would hurt the buys. I also would love to know where this whole "people won't buy FD" narrative even started. The NJPW/AEW audiences are super similar. People lost their minds in the building and on social when Tanahashi came out. If the FD main event is Mox/Tanahashi and you have Okada/Hangman and some killer tag matches? Yes, it'll drive a good buyrate. AEW's current lowest buyrate is 80,000 buys. It's going to do more than 80,000.
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Post by eJm on Jun 6, 2022 10:49:23 GMT -5
I mean, tickets that were first sold for FD sold out the United Centre in about a day, in a place that should be sick of AEW by now, so along with other factors, the show is likely going to sell out or at least come really close to doing it.
But you know, goalposts need moving and someone has to do it, I guess.
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Post by Clawley Race on Jun 6, 2022 10:52:10 GMT -5
I mean, tickets that were first sold for FD sold out the United Centre in about a day, in a place that should be sick of AEW by now, so along with other factors, the show is likely going to sell out or at least come really close to doing it. But you know, goalposts need moving and someone has to do it, I guess. It sold out in less than an hour
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Post by eJm on Jun 6, 2022 10:58:34 GMT -5
I mean, tickets that were first sold for FD sold out the United Centre in about a day, in a place that should be sick of AEW by now, so along with other factors, the show is likely going to sell out or at least come really close to doing it. But you know, goalposts need moving and someone has to do it, I guess. It sold out in less than an hour See, this was me expanding my standing so then I can underestimate these things. So I was wrong and glad to be wrong at the same time. 😋
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jun 6, 2022 11:03:13 GMT -5
I think people keep forgetting too that Tony is having to change a shit ton of plans on the fly. I'm sure he's had to throw a ton of planned matches out the window the second he realized Punk needed surgery. At this point he's trying to crown a new champion, sell a ppv and plan out story lines for afterwards as well. It may seem weird to have someone from NJPW be involved in the crowning but this wasn't the plan from the start.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 6, 2022 11:04:34 GMT -5
I also would love to know where this whole "people won't buy FD" narrative even started. The NJPW/AEW audiences are super similar. People lost their minds in the building and on social when Tanahashi came out. If the FD main event is Mox/Tanahashi and you have Okada/Hangman and some killer tag matches? Yes, it'll drive a good buyrate. AEW's current lowest buyrate is 80,000 buys. It's going to do more than 80,000. I was rolling my eyes when he showed up on Dynamite. I don't understand why Tanahashi is popular. There's already a completely perfect way to have Mox/Tana without needing three extra matches and an 8-paragraph press release to get to that point! So you don't get Tanahashi and rolled your eyes at him showing up, but are also upset about Mox/Tanahashi not happening in an easy and orderly fashion for you at the PPV you're "ready to be over with already"? Interesting...
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 6, 2022 11:06:08 GMT -5
I also would love to know where this whole "people won't buy FD" narrative even started. The NJPW/AEW audiences are super similar. People lost their minds in the building and on social when Tanahashi came out. If the FD main event is Mox/Tanahashi and you have Okada/Hangman and some killer tag matches? Yes, it'll drive a good buyrate. AEW's current lowest buyrate is 80,000 buys. It's going to do more than 80,000. I was rolling my eyes when he showed up on Dynamite. I don't understand why Tanahashi is popular. There's already a completely perfect way to have Mox/Tana without needing three extra matches and an 8-paragraph press release to get to that point! Your personal opinion of Tanahashi isn't an indicator of how a PPV will perform. In regards to your other point, it's slightly more complicated, but it also gives this week's Dynamite more of a must-see feel. NJPW chose to put on Tanahashi/Goto, that wasn't AEW's call. I work in PR, and I agree that the press release did a poor job of explaining something that should be pretty easy to understand.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 6, 2022 11:07:50 GMT -5
I think people keep forgetting too that Tony is having to change a shit ton of plans on the fly. I'm sure he's had to throw a ton of planned matches out the window the second he realized Punk needed surgery. At this point he's trying to crown a new champion, sell a ppv and plan out story lines for afterwards as well. It may seem weird to have someone from NJPW be involved in the crowning but this wasn't the plan from the start. Situations like this really test your merit as a wrestling booker in being able to pull it off People either complain about one thing or the other, "the way to get there is too complicated", "The PPV is mucking up AEW's future and no one will see it" I'd argue that more people would tune in for the PPV to see a new AEW champion now, on top of the back Forbidden Door already sold out in like a day before they added extra seats, which probably sell out when the card gets laid out more. People are excited for this show, and people are curious what Tony does. This isn't easy, and it's real easy to armchair when you see a top champion go down, but internally Khan's probably been going a mile a minute having to change potentially months of storyline future let alone what's happening at a PPV where he wants to keep an ongoing partnership happy.
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Post by jimmycon on Jun 6, 2022 12:03:49 GMT -5
I don’t understand why people are talking like this is the most complicated thing ever.
Two new Japan guys in one semi final, mox v the winner of a BR in the other. Winners meet at the ppv.
Sure, it’s not the least complicated thing they could’ve done but I don’t get why this is being made out to be some mind bending situation people can’t get their heads around.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 6, 2022 12:59:32 GMT -5
I don’t understand why people are talking like this is the most complicated thing ever. Two new Japan guys in one semi final, mox v the winner of a BR in the other. Winners meet at the ppv. Sure, it’s not the least complicated thing they could’ve done but I don’t get why this is being made out to be some mind bending situation people can’t get their heads around. I think most of the confusion came from Friday/Saturday when they weren't explaining things correctly. Within 20 minutes on Rampage they said 4 totally different things (Punk was giving up the title, Punk wasn't giving up the title, the battle royale winner facing Moxley for the title, and then the winner of Wednesday's ME facing Tanahashi for the title) that ended up not being the true plan. At this point it's people not keeping up to date, but the first 12 hours were a mess of miscommunication because they had no idea what to do.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 6, 2022 17:18:59 GMT -5
Kind of a self-defeating prophecy to say the show needs no title but will do the lowest buys. "Ope sorry guys our title is going to sleep, please buy Forbidden Door to see exhibition matches and a foregone conclusion defense of another company's title" would hurt the buys. I also would love to know where this whole "people won't buy FD" narrative even started. The NJPW/AEW audiences are super similar. People lost their minds in the building and on social when Tanahashi came out. If the FD main event is Mox/Tanahashi and you have Okada/Hangman and some killer tag matches? Yes, it'll drive a good buyrate. AEW's current lowest buyrate is 80,000 buys. It's going to do more than 80,000. Its not that nobody will buy it, there's a percentage of aew only fans that more likely to skip this one Vs another percentage more likely to buy it, which group is bigger and how the quality of the build might effect that are interesting questions. Even if it does a little less it doesn't matter that much. The other aim is for both companies is to make fans in a different market and that's a long-term goal, as long as it's not a complete failure (which is extremely unlikely commercially) they should succeed.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 6, 2022 17:41:47 GMT -5
I don't expect Forbidden Door to do as well as the most recent PPVs. Not just because of the format, but because putting another PPV out there only a month after the last is asking a lot for fans used to only four evenly spaced shows a year. I presume it's still going to be the full price, right? That's a big ask for fans to pay.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 6, 2022 18:09:34 GMT -5
I also would love to know where this whole "people won't buy FD" narrative even started. The NJPW/AEW audiences are super similar. People lost their minds in the building and on social when Tanahashi came out. If the FD main event is Mox/Tanahashi and you have Okada/Hangman and some killer tag matches? Yes, it'll drive a good buyrate. AEW's current lowest buyrate is 80,000 buys. It's going to do more than 80,000. I was rolling my eyes when he showed up on Dynamite. I don't understand why Tanahashi is popular.There's already a completely perfect way to have Mox/Tana without needing three extra matches and an 8-paragraph press release to get to that point!
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Post by Starshine on Jun 6, 2022 20:23:04 GMT -5
I also would love to know where this whole "people won't buy FD" narrative even started. The NJPW/AEW audiences are super similar. People lost their minds in the building and on social when Tanahashi came out. If the FD main event is Mox/Tanahashi and you have Okada/Hangman and some killer tag matches? Yes, it'll drive a good buyrate. AEW's current lowest buyrate is 80,000 buys. It's going to do more than 80,000. I was rolling my eyes when he showed up on Dynamite. I don't understand why Tanahashi is popular. There's already a completely perfect way to have Mox/Tana without needing three extra matches and an 8-paragraph press release to get to that point! Well that just means you don't know anything about Tanahashi.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 6, 2022 21:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 7, 2022 0:56:29 GMT -5
Well that just means you don't know anything about Tanahashi. That's fair. I have no idea who he is just giving an opinion of a casual fan who watches AEW. Might I recommend the "Sell me on Tanahashi" thread? There's a lot of real good stuff in there for people who wanna know The Ace better
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jun 7, 2022 2:10:47 GMT -5
Well that just means you don't know anything about Tanahashi. That's fair. I have no idea who he is just giving an opinion of a casual fan who watches AEW. I'll be honest- I love Tanahashi but if I hadn't watched NJPW for several years I'd completely agree and am not a fan of the gatekeeping in some posts. The problem is NJPW booking is much more geared towards long form viewing of many shows over several years, rather than casual, in and out viewing, so you have to watch a lot to get a lot of guys. There's exceptions- Suzuki, Ishii, White, Hiromu probably the most obvious- but Naito, Tanahashi and even Okada take quite a while to click with. It's why Bullet Club were what drew Western fans over, they were much easier to pick up quickly with clear gimmicks. Tanahashi is a personality rather than a gimmick and while they kind of have to hinge the build to FD on him because of who he is, I think AEW could have done a better job. Even if they just gave him a big talker heel to oppose, let Jericho run his mouth, reference their brief New Japan program, and take a clubbering. Let Danielson lean into the BCC sadistic tendencies and rehash Tanahashi/Suzuki on TV. Something that shows rather than tells who he is. AEW styles itself on similar longform booking too but IMO even without the language barrier isn't as effective as NJPW at it yet- it can be a bit predictable at times or at other times the pacing is off. I can only casually watch it too now and find sometimes weeks go by with no progress and I feel like I missed nothing, other times miss one show and everything's different. It's always tricky to sell a guy as a big deal to an audience who are mostly cold to who he is and doubly so if your booking is geared towards hardcore, every week long term viewing.
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