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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2022 20:53:01 GMT -5
Sorry if anyone already posted this but Alex Hirsch posted this on Twitter and it gave me a good, sensible chuckle. twitter.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1537314312926003201I made it about thirty seconds before snickering like a child at "poop, poop and butts" so you know...most mature poster on the board.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Jun 17, 2022 21:16:20 GMT -5
The "bottles will be spun" complaint killed me lol especially them approving the revision
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jun 17, 2022 23:06:35 GMT -5
So, these were notes for "Gravity Falls", right?
(I haven't watched this)
If so, did the flyer with the "Not S&P Approved" note on it appear in the show?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 18, 2022 0:11:25 GMT -5
honestly, these type of censors are pretty standard on any corporation.
one all departments have to justify their existence... two the S&P departments are especially meant to be overly sensitive to everything cause if anything actually offensive gets through it's their ass.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 18, 2022 3:01:12 GMT -5
honestly, these type of censors are pretty standard on any corporation. one all departments have to justify their existence... two the S&P departments are especially meant to be overly sensitive to everything cause if anything actually offensive gets through it's their ass. Matt Baum on Youtube has some great videos primarily talking about gay issues in television, and obviously, clashes with censors come up very often. One that was interesting was that the censors became much stricter in the '80s, but that it would also fluctuate. The main heads of S&P for NBC, ABC, and CBS ended up meeting together informally at one point and deciding that they needed to loosen up a bit because of the risk of the networks appearing out of touch and losing ground, which I imagine became only more of a concern when Fox entered the picture, along with basic cable. Following stuff like the Janet Jackson half-time show, you obviously get crackdowns that follow before it loosens up again, and the cycle continues. With kid shows, I imagine it's not entirely the same, but there's probably an element of that, too, that if Disney tightens up their hold too much, they risk looking like squares next to Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon, but they never want to give up too much control with the level of scrutiny they get by comparison to those two.
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Post by eJm on Jun 18, 2022 5:44:19 GMT -5
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 18, 2022 7:25:13 GMT -5
Needs to include Bruce Timm's notes from Fox. Similarly, the Spider-Man ones.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 19, 2022 6:32:22 GMT -5
One of my favorite versions of this is how complaints from the network about not understanding Zim's motivations were given directly to a child to say in Invader Zim. The kid is then shoved under a bed and ignored. Jhonen Vasquez also had a kid fly out of a wrecked elevator in a ridiculous way to demonstrate that the child had not died.
I did see a scattered few people complaining that S&P were "just doing their jobs" and that it's mean for Hirsch, etc, to poke fun at them, but I mean, he, too, was just doing his job, one they were actively making more difficult for often ridiculous reasons, so he's well within his rights to gently tease them.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 19, 2022 13:45:52 GMT -5
Sorry if anyone already posted this but Alex Hirsch posted this on Twitter and it gave me a good, sensible chuckle. I made it about thirty seconds before snickering like a child at "poop, poop and butts" so you know...most mature poster on the board. This is hilarious, thank you for sharing it!
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Post by wildojinx on Jun 19, 2022 13:51:27 GMT -5
Needs to include Bruce Timm's notes from Fox. Similarly, the Spider-Man ones. Timm drew a famous pic of Batman strangling Joker and jumping out of a glass window while Joker, holding a bottle of liquor, shot batman in the chest (Batman also had a child hanging onto Batman for dear life), while in the background, Catwoman wearing lingere was smoking a cigarette. Basically, everything the censors wouldnt allow on B:TAS.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 19, 2022 14:06:25 GMT -5
Needs to include Bruce Timm's notes from Fox. Similarly, the Spider-Man ones. Timm drew a famous pic of Batman strangling Joker and jumping out of a glass window while Joker, holding a bottle of liquor, shot batman in the chest (Batman also had a child hanging onto Batman for dear life), while in the background, Catwoman wearing lingere was smoking a cigarette. Basically, everything the censors wouldnt allow on B:TAS. I think it would be fun to see how many made his D2V movies, LOL.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jun 20, 2022 5:22:13 GMT -5
On the subject of broadcast S&P, I remember hearing the writers on Animaniacs used sort of a "Trojan Horse" approach in which they would put something in the scripts they know would get rejected and thus all the focus would be taken away from all of the other risque content they managed to slip in. (IE: The infamous Finger prints/Prince gag.)
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 20, 2022 5:38:21 GMT -5
On the subject of broadcast S&P, I remember hearing the writers on Animaniacs used sort of a "Trojan Horse" approach in which they would put something in the scripts they know would get rejected and thus all the focus would be taken away from all of the other risque content they managed to slip in. (IE: The infamous Finger prints/Prince gag.) Yep, this is a tactic South Park has used at times. It lets it appear like they are compromising by being willing to drop one questionable element to have a higher chance of being allowed to include the thing they wanted to include. They ended up being surprised when making the film and many of those sacrificial elements were given approval, anyway. A non-censorship, but sort of related, story is the development of Battle Chess, a computer game. Knowing that the producers would sometimes ask for changes that weren't strictly necessary due to wanting to make their impact on the end product, a programmer supposedly included a duck with the Queen piece and all of her animations, but made sure the sprite was one they could easily edit out. Come approval, most everything was okayed, but they were asked to get rid of the duck, thus sparing other details from being points of contention. Similarly, Standards and Practices would probably never give no notes whatsoever, so it stands to reason that having a raunchy joke, etc, you were willing to part with might then make you appear to be cooperative when you graciously concede it, though, Hirsch on Twitter said that compromising on things tended to just make S&P more aggressive since they treated it as precedent and just got pushier, thus him being firmer with them and less yielding.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 20, 2022 6:07:14 GMT -5
Sounds like he can still say "Belt", "Wrestler", and "Wrestling", so he's got that going for him!
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Post by mrpeacock on Jun 20, 2022 23:06:51 GMT -5
So, these were notes for "Gravity Falls", right? (I haven't watched this) If so, did the flyer with the "Not S&P Approved" note on it appear in the show?
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 20, 2022 23:10:04 GMT -5
Sounds like he can still say "Belt", "Wrestler", and "Wrestling", so he's got that going for him! Ah but can he say "Chris Benoit"?
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Post by Muskrat on Jun 20, 2022 23:20:43 GMT -5
Needs to include Bruce Timm's notes from Fox. Similarly, the Spider-Man ones. Kinda reminds me of how Fox ruined Beast Machines. Beast Wars was syndicated and could get away with a lot more, Beast Machines was on Fox and their hands were much more tied with what they could do
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 21, 2022 3:20:36 GMT -5
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 21, 2022 8:06:48 GMT -5
These people actively look for things to complain about, right?
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Post by eJm on Jun 21, 2022 8:10:12 GMT -5
These people actively look for things to complain about, right? Well, it's more that they're the middle men to management who set the standards that the company has to uphold, even to a ridiculous degree, so that parent groups aren't threatening boycotts and lawsuits or whatever because "DEY CORRUPT OUR KIDS!" or something. Even if something like Gravity Falls has a lot of scary images you'd think would be addressed with S&P but weren't for various reasons. Not saying they should have but compared to a line referencing booze or spin the bottle?
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