|
Post by cornettesracket on Jul 24, 2023 2:35:39 GMT -5
Just seen a video of former Newcastle & West Ham goalkeeper Shaka Hislop collapsing whilst doing punditry before an AC Milan v Real Madrid pre season game. Scary stuff. Hope he recovers well. I just saw it as well. Well I saw the aftermath of it when they reported he was okay.
|
|
4real
Wade Wilson
Posts: 27,844
|
Post by 4real on Jul 24, 2023 10:58:57 GMT -5
Trevor Francis has died aged 69 of a heart attack. Britain’s 1st ever £1 million footballer who scored the winner for Nottingham Forest in the 1980 European Cup Final. Il remember him more for his Sky Sports work in the 90’s and his managerial work for Sheffield Wednesday & Birmingham both of who he got to major finals.
RIP.
|
|
Renslayer
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
every time i come around your city...
Posts: 16,625
Member is Online
|
Post by Renslayer on Jul 24, 2023 12:10:30 GMT -5
Sheesh
|
|
|
Post by Hit Girl on Jul 24, 2023 12:41:20 GMT -5
Was always inevitable that football would eat itself.
|
|
salz4life
Grimlock
Prichard is a guy who gets that his job is to service his boss.
Posts: 14,007
|
Post by salz4life on Jul 24, 2023 12:48:29 GMT -5
Any news on Shaka Hislop? I assume he is ok since I haven't really seen anything further.
|
|
|
Post by DiBiase is Good on Jul 25, 2023 1:35:07 GMT -5
And in a freaky coincidence, another former Forest and Sheffield Wednesday player, Chris Bart-Williams, died yesterday too. Only 49. RIP.
|
|
4real
Wade Wilson
Posts: 27,844
|
Post by 4real on Jul 25, 2023 2:15:00 GMT -5
And in a freaky coincidence, another former Forest and Sheffield Wednesday player, Chris Bart-Williams, died yesterday too. Only 49. RIP. Francis managed him at Sheffield Wednesday as well. An awful time for Forest & Sheff Wed fans and ex players.
|
|
|
Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 26, 2023 17:41:47 GMT -5
I remember the brief period 5-10 years ago when China was offering huge money and got some high profile names. It was pretty shocking when Oscar from Chelsea went there at only 25 and basically ended his career at the top level.
This Saudi stuff though is on a whole other level with the names that are going there. Hell, one of their teams (Al Hilal) looks like it's going to end up with a midfield of Marco Verratti, Sergej Milinkovic-Savic and Ruben Neves. That's a Champions League level midfield of players who were linked with top clubs every summer now they're all going to Saudi for the bag still in their prime years.
|
|
Nosnorb
El Dandy
Nachos and Fraggle Rock are TIMELESS.
Posts: 7,713
|
Post by Nosnorb on Jul 26, 2023 19:42:08 GMT -5
I remember the brief period 5-10 years ago when China was offering huge money and got some high profile names. It was pretty shocking when Oscar from Chelsea went there at only 25 and basically ended his career at the top level. This Saudi stuff though is on a whole other level with the names that are going there. Hell, one of their teams (Al Hilal) looks like it's going to end up with a midfield of Marco Verratti, Sergej Milinkovic-Savic and Ruben Neves. That's a Champions League level midfield of players who were linked with top clubs every summer now they're all going to Saudi for the bag still in their prime years. It will probably end in the same way the daft money era CSL did - a big financial crash and the Saudis coming to the realisation that thanks to a domestic league that has tons of midfielders and forwards signed for five times more than they are worth, that they have a national team that has a reasonably solid defence but have nothing in midfield and up front. The Royal Family turn the taps off and deinvest in foreign clubs, and decide to invest in the grass roots.
|
|
Futureraven: Beelzebruv
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Ultimate Arbiter of Right And Wrong
Spent half my life here, God help me
Posts: 15,084
|
Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 27, 2023 5:21:02 GMT -5
I remember the brief period 5-10 years ago when China was offering huge money and got some high profile names. It was pretty shocking when Oscar from Chelsea went there at only 25 and basically ended his career at the top level. This Saudi stuff though is on a whole other level with the names that are going there. Hell, one of their teams (Al Hilal) looks like it's going to end up with a midfield of Marco Verratti, Sergej Milinkovic-Savic and Ruben Neves. That's a Champions League level midfield of players who were linked with top clubs every summer now they're all going to Saudi for the bag still in their prime years. It will probably end in the same way the daft money era CSL did - a big financial crash and the Saudis coming to the realisation that thanks to a domestic league that has tons of midfielders and forwards signed for five times more than they are worth, that they have a national team that has a reasonably solid defence but have nothing in midfield and up front. The Royal Family turn the taps off and deinvest in foreign clubs, and decide to invest in the grass roots. Eventually, they'll lose interest. Like China, this is 1 league, you can bolster it, even insanely, but you can't buy the whole infrastructure and eco-system of top class football. Ok, buy a load of 100 million players, how do they get those reputations? Playing against the top players in their own league, Champions League, Copa Libertadores etc. Steel sharpens steel, with respect, Asian leagues aren't at that standard so players going there will stagnate. There also isn't the interest financially in the league as such, just the superstars so they have to be refreshed every year so it'll always be running on subsidies basically. It's a bigger version of PSG, ok, superstars, they can dominate, but who do they play? Do they really want to give their all playing? So the best they can have is a dominant malaise in their region.
|
|
salz4life
Grimlock
Prichard is a guy who gets that his job is to service his boss.
Posts: 14,007
|
Post by salz4life on Jul 27, 2023 9:11:17 GMT -5
So Mbappe told Saudi to get bent? If that's true, my respect for him has skyrocketed. Hopefully he stays in Europe and continues to showcase his skills at the highest level.
|
|
|
Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 27, 2023 11:19:41 GMT -5
So Mbappe told Saudi to get bent? If that's true, my respect for him has skyrocketed. Hopefully he stays in Europe and continues to showcase his skills at the highest level. I still wouldn't be shocked if he goes to Saudi for a year. On Aug 1 he hits a clause in his contract and PSG has to pay him like a £60m loyalty bonus so once he's got that I think he might do some deal where he goes to Saudi for a year long loan then signs with Real Madrid as a free agent next summer. The Saudis are so desperate for these big names that I think they'd be dumb enough to pay PSG a huge loan fee just for a year then hope that they can throw so much money at Mbappe that he decides to stick around long-term and forget Madrid.
|
|
|
Post by Hit Girl on Jul 27, 2023 12:00:45 GMT -5
Mbappe will go to Real.
He has has an international career to consider. France won't pick him if he's playing in a Saudi amateur league.
|
|
|
Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jul 27, 2023 16:15:55 GMT -5
welp
hibernian started their euro campaign with a trip to inter club d'escaldes of andorra ... and promptly LOST 2-1, thanks to some quality goalkeeping from david marshall for the second one
TWO NIL DOWN, then the scots scored in injury time!
quite nauseating result, but at least they are still in the tie
other than that
derry city won 2-1 over KUPS kuopio and crusaders drew 2-2 with rosenborg
oh yeah, watched the usa v netherlands draw in the world cup last night and the australia v nigeria game ... the african ladies WON 3-2!!! that now means the aussies MUST win over canada!
|
|
Nosnorb
El Dandy
Nachos and Fraggle Rock are TIMELESS.
Posts: 7,713
|
Post by Nosnorb on Jul 27, 2023 19:17:28 GMT -5
It's a bigger version of PSG, ok, superstars, they can dominate, but who do they play? Do they really want to give their all playing? So the best they can have is a dominant malaise in their region. The thing about PSG though is that while they are dominant, they are nowhere near the level of Lyon in the 2000s or Marseille in the late 80s/early 90s. That PSG are a team of individuals and their inability to make the most of their location as the biggest team in a region that has produced so many world class players (they needed to spend over 100 million Euros to bring Mbappe back to Paris for example) give the feeling that 2 or 3 other teams in Ligue 1 always have a chance of winning the league. Sure, those teams usually lose several of their best players afterwards, but it doesn't feel that PSG have an iron grip on Ligue 1 the way Juve had on Serie A or Bayern have on the Bundesliga.
I don't think the comparision between Saudi clubs and PSG is a fair one either. PSG play in a league in which they are the dominant club, but it's always one in which you feel other teams have a shot at winning if they get a good crop of youngsters and make shrewd transfer moves, and PSG keep squandering their location and stay a team of individuals. They also have the Champions League and Paris to offer signings, and while Ligue 1 is the weakest of the Big Five, it's still Big Five.
In contrast, the big four of Saudi football are all majority owned by the state, they can't offer football anywhere near the level of what PSG can offer (both domestically and in the version of the Champions League) and for the majority of Footballers, Paris is a far more enticing prospect than any Saudi city for players.
|
|
|
Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jul 28, 2023 11:35:01 GMT -5
another three pointer for england women in the world cup, six points and heading for the last 16! swings and roundabouts in this game, the english scoring in six minutes with a extremely well taken goal by lauren james and they were playing well, then an injury to midfielder keira walsh and definitely dampened england for the rest of the match!
it could have been a 1-1 draw, as denmark were coming back into it late on, and a great header came off the post!
china versus haiti also finished 1-0 to china ... it should have been more, eve an DRAW, as china and haiti had BLATANT PENALTIES ruled out ... and haiti even had a good shout for another one too ... final insult was after that claim it wasn't even a corner, as the chinese player actually fouled the haiti player!!!
the officiating in the second half was AWFUL, frankly losing control of the last part of the match with those horrendous mistakes!
argentina also came back from two down with south africa 2-2, a game i was gonna watch but wanted to get up to see england, and i'll try and see the france v brazil game tomorrow too
|
|
Futureraven: Beelzebruv
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Ultimate Arbiter of Right And Wrong
Spent half my life here, God help me
Posts: 15,084
|
Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 29, 2023 6:04:57 GMT -5
It's a bigger version of PSG, ok, superstars, they can dominate, but who do they play? Do they really want to give their all playing? So the best they can have is a dominant malaise in their region. The thing about PSG though is that while they are dominant, they are nowhere near the level of Lyon in the 2000s or Marseille in the late 80s/early 90s. That PSG are a team of individuals and their inability to make the most of their location as the biggest team in a region that has produced so many world class players (they needed to spend over 100 million Euros to bring Mbappe back to Paris for example) give the feeling that 2 or 3 other teams in Ligue 1 always have a chance of winning the league. Sure, those teams usually lose several of their best players afterwards, but it doesn't feel that PSG have an iron grip on Ligue 1 the way Juve had on Serie A or Bayern have on the Bundesliga.
I don't think the comparision between Saudi clubs and PSG is a fair one either. PSG play in a league in which they are the dominant club, but it's always one in which you feel other teams have a shot at winning if they get a good crop of youngsters and make shrewd transfer moves, and PSG keep squandering their location and stay a team of individuals. They also have the Champions League and Paris to offer signings, and while Ligue 1 is the weakest of the Big Five, it's still Big Five.
In contrast, the big four of Saudi football are all majority owned by the state, they can't offer football anywhere near the level of what PSG can offer (both domestically and in the version of the Champions League) and for the majority of Footballers, Paris is a far more enticing prospect than any Saudi city for players.
I may not have worded it particularly well, but I agree woth all this. I was going for more a metaphor than direct comparison, about a sudden top level injection of cash without building foundations. Much like PSG hasn't been able to fully dominate because of how they've gone about it, I wouldn't be shocked if the Saudi clubs have a similar level of performance in the Asian Champions League against say, South Korean or Japanese clubs that don't have the resources but a more solid build.
|
|
|
Post by Hit Girl on Jul 30, 2023 0:57:44 GMT -5
The PSG project has largely failed. The owners won't be happy with just French league titles.
|
|
|
Post by cornettesracket on Jul 30, 2023 6:47:39 GMT -5
Fair play to Columbia in the women’s World Cup. Beating the Germans 2-1.
|
|
|
Post by cornettesracket on Jul 31, 2023 11:54:02 GMT -5
seeing a clip from sky sports news that there is a Bayern Munich delegation in London to meet with spurs. Spurs are reportedly insisting on a buy back deal if Kane returns to the premier league.
|
|