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Post by johncasey on Jul 28, 2022 17:43:09 GMT -5
Based solely on the PPV's, I can say that I haven't watched any of them in a very long time, nor do I think I will be anytime soon, they are just dull and boring.
You can say what you want about the stuff in 95 and 96, but at least they were fun and entertaining.
It appears that other posters also picked up on the fact that things drastically improved in 2000 up until after WrestleMania X7 because they were similar quality to the content in 97 and 98.
In 1999, they got complacent regarding content that year.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 28, 2022 18:46:20 GMT -5
If you wanted to say that Jim Ross saying "Aww son of a bitch!" was a shoot comment about how dumb the revelation of Vince as the higher power was, I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 28, 2022 20:36:55 GMT -5
The higher power thing is hilarious cause the show starts with Vince challenging Shane to a big “Winner Take All” match that night. Shane comes out and accepts but notes that he has bigger fish to fry cause he’s about to unveil the hower power. Hmmm, k. They go to commercial, come back to the big reveal of…Vince? Who walked to the back JUST so he could come right back out and do the reveal? …What, hahaha? Oh and of course, no match. Just a lovely train wreck As part of the HP angle and the angle leading to The Rock joining The Corporation months earlier, Vince, in the storyline, let himself get his ass kicked on more than one occasion to sell the con. He even had an entire match with Shane on Raw a month before the HP reveal. Exactly! That shit made no damn sense, hahaha. I thought context would help. Nah, just makes it look worse 🤣
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Post by eJm on Jul 28, 2022 20:41:04 GMT -5
As part of the HP angle and the angle leading to The Rock joining The Corporation months earlier, Vince, in the storyline, let himself get his ass kicked on more than one occasion to sell the con. He even had an entire match with Shane on Raw a month before the HP reveal. Exactly! That shit made no damn sense, hahaha. I thought context would help. Nah, just makes it look worse 🤣 Like, looking back on it, the angle’s ending really felt like a “Shit, we didn’t get the guy we wanted to take the cloak. Who should we put in it? F*** it, I’ll wear it!” thing even though literally anyone else would have made sense. F***, somehow Russo himself would have made more sense.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 28, 2022 22:57:17 GMT -5
Wrestlemania didn’t feel like Wrestlemania that year. It just felt like a regular PPV. 2000 was the same to an extent. 14 and 17 were these mega must-see events but 15 and 16 somehow didn’t really feel like a big deal despite taking place right in the middle of arguably the hottest period in wrestling history.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 29, 2022 2:09:39 GMT -5
Exactly! That shit made no damn sense, hahaha. I thought context would help. Nah, just makes it look worse 🤣 Like, looking back on it, the angle’s ending really felt like a “Shit, we didn’t get the guy we wanted to take the cloak. Who should we put in it? F*** it, I’ll wear it!” thing even though literally anyone else would have made sense. F***, somehow Russo himself would have made more sense. My God... the Higher Power is literally the WWFs Black Scorpion.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jul 29, 2022 2:46:14 GMT -5
Really the biggest difference between WWF and WCW in 99 is that WWF has huge stars that were drawing. Because I don’t think much aged all that well in 1999. I feel they got better once Russo left. 2000 up to WrestleMania 17 was really the creative peak of the Attitude era, and the peak that ages the best. Especially when you now have Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, The Radicals, and the rise of The Hardy’s, Edge/Christian and the Dudleys, adding greatly to the match quality. Plus Triple H was in his prime in ring, and The Rock was having his best matches at that time as well. The real thing that doesn’t age well is the treatment of women, but that goes for the whole era If you really want to remember the Attitude era at its best, that’s the year you want to look back on fondly.
1999 WWF really didn’t make much sense. Really the best thing about that year was Triple H becoming a Main Eventer and entering his prime.
But as stated, they had huge drawing stars, plus it was chaotic and exciting at the time and WCW, whose product was pretty boring for then most part, and made no sense when Russo came in. And no one was drawing.
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Post by dangerousdanpotato on Jul 29, 2022 5:11:32 GMT -5
I wasn't watching at the time, but whenever I've read about 1999 WWF I think that the characters, angles, alliances and betrayals all sound really cool and exciting. But then when I watch an actual show I'm generally bored to tears. Short matches, lots of run-ins, eye-rollingly bad angles, confusingly convoluted back-stabbing and swerves etc.
BUT... when it's over, I still want to see the main stars again. So yeah, the draw of the star power at that time was immense. 1999 definitely embodied that "we make moments" mentality.
To be fair, this was all designed to pop a rating and not necessarily stand the test of time, so mission accomplished, I guess.
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Post by auph10imitated on Jul 29, 2022 8:43:05 GMT -5
It was car crash TV goodness like 1998, but a lot more disjointed. I think if you was a teenager at that time during the peak of the Attitude Era it was all in good fun, if you become an older wiser wrestling fan, watching it back is going to be a bit of a confusing slog.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Jul 29, 2022 13:28:34 GMT -5
Vince: Come on out, you RAPIST!!!
You know what they say about glass houses?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 29, 2022 13:46:09 GMT -5
So, I’ve actually been watching the Raw’s from this time period recently. Was literally in the process of re-watching king of the ring. Man, it is just NOT hitting like 98 did. You can kinda tell the creative team was already running into the walls that pop up with crash tv. Being blunt, particularly since we are currently in an era where matches go dummy long for no reason other than cuz, I got no problem with the quick matches but they were just doing ANYTHING, dawg. The build up to mania 15 was a f***ing mess. This ministry of darkness is buns, and there’s the constant question of what the hell’s left for Austin to do that’s not just constantly being champion. Mans just became CEO too, haha. I came into this thread to basically cite your FAN articles 1999 was a garbage year
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Post by Defrebel - White Pony on Jul 29, 2022 14:02:12 GMT -5
The Val Venis/Goldust/Ken Shamrock IC title feud scarred me for life
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 29, 2022 14:08:23 GMT -5
The main event scene at the time still holds up. The rest is garbage. I'll always argue that the IC title never recovered from being passed around like a joint at a Phish Concert that year. I'm pretty sure *I* held the thing for a week or so somewhere in there.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 29, 2022 14:14:25 GMT -5
Exactly! That shit made no damn sense, hahaha. I thought context would help. Nah, just makes it look worse 🤣 Like, looking back on it, the angle’s ending really felt like a “Shit, we didn’t get the guy we wanted to take the cloak. Who should we put in it? F*** it, I’ll wear it!” thing even though literally anyone else would have made sense. That absolutely is how it went down. Take The Rumble to the Reveal itself....I defy someone to make sense of all these people being in on it, knowing it involved them all beating the shit out of each other for months on end. Vince's actions make no sense even if you look back on it with "ah, it was all a setup" lenses
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2022 14:34:58 GMT -5
Based solely on the PPV's, I can say that I haven't watched any of them in a very long time, nor do I think I will be anytime soon, they are just dull and boring. You can say what you want about the stuff in 95 and 96, but at least they were fun and entertaining. It appears that other posters also picked up on the fact that things drastically improved in 2000 up until after WrestleMania X7 because they were similar quality to the content in 97 and 98. In 1999, they got complacent regarding content that year. 2000 is my favorite year ever! There was still some bad stuff like Mae Young giving birth to the hand and the Briscoe vs. Patterson evening gown match, but there were way more positives. It was a great blend of in ring and goofy character work.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jul 29, 2022 14:54:30 GMT -5
I like 99 WWF probably better then most. The in ring was poor but they had so many great characters and it was so entertaining it didn't matter. It was definitely over the top but I like stuff like that in my wrestling. I know I'm in the minority but I actually prefer 99 over 98. I thought 99 had a better roster and it's not like the in ring stuff in 98 was that great either. 1999 was also when I started watching WWF again and became the wrestling company I watched more after pretty much exclusively watchign WCW for two and a half years.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 29, 2022 15:09:27 GMT -5
It was pretty terribly booked but also the last year wrestling felt huger than huge.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 29, 2022 15:13:37 GMT -5
Mick Foley's first title win was great, but it was clear that Russo was running out of ideas for the rest of his time in the company, like doing Vince/Austin yet again with the Higher Power reveal, and the Corporate Ministry was an odd mix of people.
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Post by nakedmideon on Jul 29, 2022 17:22:19 GMT -5
Does anyone know how the Rock broke his arm in the summer of 99?in kayfabe it was HHH but i cant seem to find what happened to him at this time
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Post by cjh on Jul 29, 2022 17:26:15 GMT -5
Does anyone know how the Rock broke his arm in the summer of 99?in kayfabe it was HHH but i cant seem to find what happened to him at this time It was a work.
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