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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Aug 7, 2022 7:20:55 GMT -5
I was thinking about this just now. Conor McGregor has won exactly one fight since 2016 (against Cowboy). But if was booked for a UFC tomorrow there is a good chance it would be one of the highest earning shows of the year.
But losses can hurt in MMA and boxing. I think the ones that hurt the most are the later ones in a fighter’s career. Especially when it’s obvious that the fighter has so little gas left in the tank and are just a shell of their former selves. Like Anderson Silva losing to Uriah Hall or Muhammad Ali losing to Holmes.
Silva looked so bad in the Hall fight that even carnie promotion Bellator said they wouldn’t sign Silva after UFC released him. Although I think that was just Bellator trying to avoid embarrassment as I could totally see them trying to sign Silva and Silva turning them down because he wasn’t offered enough money.
Muhammad Ali actually fought after the Larry Holmes fight, but he had such a tough time in that fight that NO ONE wanted him to fight again. Well except for the few able to squeeze a little more money out of him.
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Post by karl100589 on Aug 7, 2022 9:36:54 GMT -5
I'd argue a lot of Prince Naseem's aura was hurt by the Barrera fight. He fought a couple of times afterwards but it was nowhere near the buzz he had before then. I can't really think of any MMA centric ones though, my first thought was Chuck after the Rashad fight, but his main event with Franklin still did half a million buys.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2022 13:23:09 GMT -5
Kimbo Slice losing to Seth Petruzelli in like 20 seconds hurt his aura and power. He could still be a name on a card to help draw eyes like UFC tried to do but you wasn't selling tickets off his name anymore which is what EliteXc needed at that time especially since that was their first CBS show
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 13:38:09 GMT -5
Conor getting choked out by Nate Diaz is a good one.
It's not that Conor got choked out, even, it's that leading up to that, Diaz was picking Conor apart with the patented Stockton slaps when Conor is supposed to be an elite level boxer in MMA terms.
You could chalk that up to a bad night with an opponent that's known to be awkward to deal with, though.
Khabib, though? Khabib spent that whole fight making Conor his personal sock puppet.
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Post by karl100589 on Aug 7, 2022 14:17:21 GMT -5
Conor getting choked out by Nate Diaz is a good one. It's not that Conor got choked out, even, it's that leading up to that, Diaz was picking Conor apart with the patented Stockton slaps when Conor is supposed to be an elite level boxer in MMA terms. You could chalk that up to a bad night with an opponent that's known to be awkward to deal with, though. Khabib, though? Khabib spent that whole fight making Conor his personal sock puppet. Even though every PPV Conor did after this fight is in the top ten most bought of all time? |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Aug 7, 2022 14:25:53 GMT -5
Tyson after the loss to Lennox Lewis in 2002. Everyone knew he was way past his prime but the name value and build up ("I want to eat his children" and the pull-apart brawl at the press conference) got people's attention.
He was so thoroughly outclassed in the fight though it was clear he was finished and would never compete at the highest level again. That fight did one of the biggest PPV numbers of all time (almost 2 million buys) then his next fight less than a year later only did 100,000.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Aug 7, 2022 14:34:14 GMT -5
Tyson after the loss to Lennox Lewis in 2002. Everyone knew he was way past his prime but the name value and build up ("I want to eat his children" and the pull-apart brawl at the press conference) got people's attention. He was so thoroughly outclassed in the fight though it was clear he was finished and would never compete at the highest level again. That fight did one of the biggest PPV numbers of all time (almost 2 million buys) then his next fight less than a year later only did 100,000. In his prime, Tyson demolishes Lewis. Speaking of... how about Lewis's fight with Klitschko? Vitali had that match won, and he got f***ed over. |
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Aug 7, 2022 14:42:28 GMT -5
Chael Sonnen's second loss to Silva was the bullet that mortally wounded Sonnen's prospects since it made his first performance against Silva look like a PED fueled fluke . He was still a draw, but he wasn't really ever a major contender again after that having one more high profile fight which mainly just came of Hendo pulling out of a fight with Jones, Sonnen filling in on short notice, the fight being canned due to Jones refusing, and Sonnen continuing to talk shit.
Losing to Jones was the final nail in the coffin, since his two losses to Silva made a third crack no longer viable and it was clear he couldn't hang in the Light Heavyweight Division with naturally larger athletes, so really he was just an entertaining loud mouth who was really little more than a gate keeper.
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Post by XIII on Aug 7, 2022 14:59:07 GMT -5
Jorge Masvidal’s second fight with Usman. Before the first fight people were putting him over huge and he was way over after KO’ing Ben Askren in 6 seconds and the beat up on Nate Diaz for the BMF title(which shouldn’t that belong to Usman too at this point) then he took the first Usman fight on short notice and it was a boring fight that Kamaru won by decision. So until the next fight all you heard was how he had a full fight camp this time and it would be different this time. It was most certainly different because Kamaru hit him so hard you could almost see his soul leaving his body leaving no doubt that he was just hype.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 7, 2022 16:36:33 GMT -5
Kimbo Slice losing to Seth Petruzelli in like 20 seconds hurt his aura and power. He could still be a name on a card to help draw eyes like UFC tried to do but you wasn't selling tickets off his name anymore which is what EliteXc needed at that time especially since that was their first CBS show lol that killed EliteXC. I remember during his cup of coffee in UFC at a weigh-in, Petruzelli was introduced as "the man who killed EliteXc" |
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Post by fw91 on Aug 7, 2022 16:38:30 GMT -5
Tyson after the loss to Lennox Lewis in 2002. Everyone knew he was way past his prime but the name value and build up ("I want to eat his children" and the pull-apart brawl at the press conference) got people's attention. He was so thoroughly outclassed in the fight though it was clear he was finished and would never compete at the highest level again. That fight did one of the biggest PPV numbers of all time (almost 2 million buys) then his next fight less than a year later only did 100,000. In his prime, Tyson demolishes Lewis. Speaking of... how about Lewis's fight with Klitschko? Vitali had that match won, and he got f***ed over. Two things, Tyson admitted that all of that crap was to hype the fight. Secondly, although Yes Klitschko was winning at that point, Lewis was starting a comeback, so who knows how it would have ended. |
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Aug 7, 2022 16:42:00 GMT -5
In his prime, Tyson demolishes Lewis. Speaking of... how about Lewis's fight with Klitschko? Vitali had that match won, and he got f***ed over. Two things, Tyson admitted that all of that crap was to hype the fight. Secondly, although Yes Klitschko was winning at that point, Lewis was starting a comeback, so who knows how it would have ended. Yea, I never disputed that Tyson was hyping the fight. I'm saying Prime Tyson would have smashed Lewis. And Vitali was to far ahead on the score cards. Lewis denied the rematch, because he knew he couldn't beat him. I like Lewis, he's a top 20 heavyweight all time, but Klitschko had his number. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2022 17:03:55 GMT -5
Kimbo Slice losing to Seth Petruzelli in like 20 seconds hurt his aura and power. He could still be a name on a card to help draw eyes like UFC tried to do but you wasn't selling tickets off his name anymore which is what EliteXc needed at that time especially since that was their first CBS show lol that killed EliteXC. I remember during his cup of coffee in UFC at a weigh-in, Petruzelli was introduced as "the man who killed EliteXc" It was the main event and he f***ed up everything they had built Sort of reminds me of Cain/JDS for the Fox show as well where Cain was trying to become a draw with the machine behind him and he got knocked out and that was end of that |
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Post by fw91 on Aug 7, 2022 17:05:40 GMT -5
lol that killed EliteXC. I remember during his cup of coffee in UFC at a weigh-in, Petruzelli was introduced as "the man who killed EliteXc" It was the main event and he f***ed up everything they had built Sort of reminds me of Cain/JDS for the Fox show as well where Cain was trying to become a draw with the machine behind him and he got knocked out and that was end of that but like what was Seth supposed to do? It was supposed to be Kimbo/Shamrock were Ken's age would have been his detriment or he would have took a dive. Seth probably wanted his 15 minutes. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 7, 2022 17:07:56 GMT -5
lol that killed EliteXC. I remember during his cup of coffee in UFC at a weigh-in, Petruzelli was introduced as "the man who killed EliteXc" It was the main event and he f***ed up everything they had built Sort of reminds me of Cain/JDS for the Fox show as well where Cain was trying to become a draw with the machine behind him and he got knocked out and that was end of that I don’t think the Fox loss hurt Cain as much as the Werdum loss did. They booked a show in Mexico just for Cain to defend and dude gets picked apart and booed by the people there |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Aug 7, 2022 17:15:19 GMT -5
Chael Sonnen's second loss to Silva was the bullet that mortally wounded Sonnen's prospects since it made his first performance against Silva look like a PED fueled fluke . He was still a draw, but he wasn't really ever a major contender again after that having one more high profile fight which mainly just came of Hendo pulling out of a fight with Jones, Sonnen filling in on short notice, the fight being canned due to Jones refusing, and Sonnen continuing to talk shit. Losing to Jones was the final nail in the coffin, since his two losses to Silva made a third crack no longer viable and it was clear he couldn't hang in the Light Heavyweight Division with naturally larger athletes, so really he was just an entertaining loud mouth who was really little more than a gate keeper. I love Chael, but this is spot on. With that first Silva fight, Chael came off as an elite fighter that just got sloppy and allowed Silva to win. The second Silva fight showed this wasn’t the case. Sonnen only got the Jones fight because of the reasons you mentioned. Although I would have marked if Chael lasted a little longer and won the fight due to Jones’ freak injury. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2022 17:17:14 GMT -5
It was the main event and he f***ed up everything they had built Sort of reminds me of Cain/JDS for the Fox show as well where Cain was trying to become a draw with the machine behind him and he got knocked out and that was end of that I don’t think the Fox loss hurt Cain as much as the Werdum loss did. They booked a show in Mexico just for Cain to defend and dude gets picked apart and booed by the people there That Werdum fight was the nail in the coffin. Werdum was out there speaking Spanish better than him |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 7, 2022 17:19:51 GMT -5
It was the main event and he f***ed up everything they had built Sort of reminds me of Cain/JDS for the Fox show as well where Cain was trying to become a draw with the machine behind him and he got knocked out and that was end of that but like what was Seth supposed to do? It was supposed to be Kimbo/Shamrock were Ken's age would have been his detriment or he would have took a dive. Seth probably wanted his 15 minutes. You def can't blame Seth for that. Kimbo was not supposed to be in that spot. It was a nice hook due to his viral videos of him knocking people the f*** out but he needed more MMA training and eventually someone was going to catch him Tho Ken being too old at that point is beyond funny considering he was even older when they did fight and that was a whole mess in Bellator Kimbo probably would been better off doing boxing but this was when people expected the UFC boom to take over Boxing |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 7, 2022 17:20:02 GMT -5
I don’t think the Fox loss hurt Cain as much as the Werdum loss did. They booked a show in Mexico just for Cain to defend and dude gets picked apart and booed by the people there That Werdum fight was the nail in the coffin. Werdum was out there speaking Spanish better than him That was embarrassing. Goddamn. No wonder they never went back to Mexico |
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Post by XIII on Aug 7, 2022 17:26:10 GMT -5
The failure of EliteXC is all on the guys running it. Kimbo had built up an aura during the early days of YouTube by knocking out out of shape guys with no boxing/fight experience when it was clear that Kimbo had some boxing training. EliteXC should have fed him a series of cans where Kimbo KO’s them with extreme ferocity, because once he lost his aura was compromised and then what’s the plan?
I miss Kimbo though, he did the best that he could, always worked hard, and from all accounts he was good dude that was only fighting so that his family could have some money. I’m glad that he had some success.
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