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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Aug 15, 2022 7:18:57 GMT -5
by my definition you CAN'T be a Janetty if you still had a really good career. so to me, guys like Christian and Matt Hardy don't count, even in the slightest.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Aug 15, 2022 7:29:19 GMT -5
I've always hated the "Jannetty" term. I'll go to my grave arguing that Marty was better in the ring. It pisses me off that Vince punished him for his transgressions and tried to build the company around HBK despite his. never woulda happened. Shawn's problems are well documented but Marty's problems were the kind of problems that prevented him from leaving the state.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 15, 2022 8:01:02 GMT -5
by my definition you CAN'T be a Janetty if you still had a really good career. so to me, guys like Christian and Matt Hardy don't count, even in the slightest. Yeah, when you're talking about guys who have won world titles and you're calling them Jannettys, it feels entirely outside the spirit of it.
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Post by sungod2020 on Aug 15, 2022 8:21:42 GMT -5
by my definition you CAN'T be a Janetty if you still had a really good career. so to me, guys like Christian and Matt Hardy don't count, even in the slightest. Well then what's your definition of a Jannetty? Who would qualify as one? I don't think Christian is a Jannetty in the same way Marty was(as stated in my post), but he certainly hasn't had the same success as Edge even though the potential might've been there(like his 2005 run). It should be noted though that this was a booking issue rather than any personal demons he may or may not have had. I do agree the term "Jannetty" has been thrown around more often than not.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Aug 15, 2022 9:44:56 GMT -5
Seth? Him and Roman were tag champs their first year in the main roster before they had any singles success
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Aug 15, 2022 10:24:10 GMT -5
by my definition you CAN'T be a Janetty if you still had a really good career. so to me, guys like Christian and Matt Hardy don't count, even in the slightest. Well then what's your definition of a Jannetty? Who would qualify as one? I don't think Christian is a Jannetty in the same way Marty was(as stated in my post), but he certainly hasn't had the same success as Edge even though the potential might've been there(like his 2005 run). It should be noted though that this was a booking issue rather than any personal demons he may or may not have had. I do agree the term "Jannetty" has been thrown around more often than not. for me to be a Janetty, the one guy has to REALLY fall off while the other guy goes on to successful things. there's actualy probably fewer true examples of it in this business than you'd think. there's such a massive disparity between Shawn Michaels and Marty Janetty that calling the guy who just won fewer world titles a Janetty seems like a gross exaggeration to me. it isn't required but spiraling into a public embarrassment like Marty has definitely helps when determining if someone is truly a Janetty, too.
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Post by Aceorton on Aug 15, 2022 10:29:55 GMT -5
I think of a Jannety as someone who not only isn't as good as their partner, but is also their own worst enemy. The Anvil never did anything to the level of Marty Jannety, he just wasn't as good as Bret, as an example. The ORIGINAL Jannety, though, in my opinion, is Tully Blanchard. Oh I think Neidhart did plenty, there was a reason the family kept begging for him to get jobs and he inevitably f***ed up the opportunity. Yep. Neidhart first got in trouble with the flight attendant incident in 1987, was apparently kept employed for years only because he owed Vince a ton of money for his court costs, and then really soured things for himself when he chucked a TV monitor at Strongbow backstage when they finally did fire him. Every time he was brought back in the mid to late '90s was not because of his talent but because he was a Hart family member in a Hart family storyline (and someone who could take the fall in tag matches). And booze and drugs were clearly a problem for him.
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Post by Bad Moon on Aug 15, 2022 10:30:06 GMT -5
Seth? Him and Roman were tag champs their first year in the main roster before they had any singles success I was gonna bring this up as well. Even though Seth was the one who got to throw the other two through the proverbial barber shop window, there are now two major wrestling companies revolving totally around Roman and Mox respectively.
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Post by sungod2020 on Aug 15, 2022 10:48:19 GMT -5
Oh I think Neidhart did plenty, there was a reason the family kept begging for him to get jobs and he inevitably f***ed up the opportunity. Yep. Neidhart first got in trouble with the flight attendant incident in 1987, was apparently kept employed for years only because he owed Vince a ton of money for his court costs, and then really soured things for himself when he chucked a TV monitor at Strongbow backstage when they finally did fire him. Every time he was brought back in the mid to late '90s was not because of his talent but because he was a Hart family member in a Hart family storyline (and someone who could take the fall in tag matches). And booze and drugs were clearly a problem for him. So if it wasn't for Neidhart's personal demons, do you think he'd get further than he did as a singles star? I just can't picture him as a main eventer or even upper midcarder. He played his role well as the powerhouse of the tag team. Maybe if he stuck around in 98 he could've gotten a "thank you" European title run, but that's about it.
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Post by Aceorton on Aug 15, 2022 10:57:02 GMT -5
Yep. Neidhart first got in trouble with the flight attendant incident in 1987, was apparently kept employed for years only because he owed Vince a ton of money for his court costs, and then really soured things for himself when he chucked a TV monitor at Strongbow backstage when they finally did fire him. Every time he was brought back in the mid to late '90s was not because of his talent but because he was a Hart family member in a Hart family storyline (and someone who could take the fall in tag matches). And booze and drugs were clearly a problem for him. So if it wasn't for Neidhart's personal demons, do you think he'd get further than he did as a singles star? I just can't picture him as a main eventer or even upper midcarder. He played his role well as the powerhouse of the tag team. Maybe if he stuck around in 98 he could've gotten a "thank you" European title run, but that's about it. I think if he'd been clean and reliable, he would have at least gotten a 1-on-1 program with Bret over the IC belt in 1991 or '92 as the jealous former partner. Maybe the New Foundation would have been heels as a result. "Oh, yeah, Bret? Well, I went and got your little brother, and now we're even better!"
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 15, 2022 11:02:23 GMT -5
Bill Eadie after Demolition split up. Tito Santana after Strike Force dissolved. The Warlord after Powers of Pain split up.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 15, 2022 11:02:42 GMT -5
Yep. Neidhart first got in trouble with the flight attendant incident in 1987, was apparently kept employed for years only because he owed Vince a ton of money for his court costs, and then really soured things for himself when he chucked a TV monitor at Strongbow backstage when they finally did fire him. Every time he was brought back in the mid to late '90s was not because of his talent but because he was a Hart family member in a Hart family storyline (and someone who could take the fall in tag matches). And booze and drugs were clearly a problem for him. So if it wasn't for Neidhart's personal demons, do you think he'd get further than he did as a singles star? I just can't picture him as a main eventer or even upper midcarder. He played his role well as the powerhouse of the tag team. Maybe if he stuck around in 98 he could've gotten a "thank you" European title run, but that's about it. Main eventer? No, but a solid hand for quite a few more years. He was a powerhouse with a... unique charisma. He'd definitely have had a role. He only turned 40 in 95, so he definitely lost some prime years.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 15, 2022 12:36:10 GMT -5
I think John Morrison is a good case. Career wasn't a bust or anything, but Miz went on to eclipse him.
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Post by XIII on Aug 15, 2022 12:42:42 GMT -5
Marty also ended up being the Janetty of the New Rockers. lol
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Aug 15, 2022 12:56:28 GMT -5
Koko B Ware was the Jannetty of High Energy Crush from Demolition Crush was Demolition's Leif Cassidy!
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Post by Cyno on Aug 15, 2022 12:57:27 GMT -5
I hate the Jannetty term, especially when it's applied to people who still had very successful wrestling careers and didn't succumb to career-killing demons. It's lazy criticism imo.
Like there's no way this should apply to guys like Christian or anyone from the Shield because they've all been multiple time world champions in several promotions.
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Post by buckethead on Aug 15, 2022 13:24:08 GMT -5
by my definition you CAN'T be a Janetty if you still had a really good career. so to me, guys like Christian and Matt Hardy don't count, even in the slightest. Yep..and listing Tully Blanchard as a Janetty is laughable. Just because a legend used cocaine doesn't place him in that category. Who's next on the list? Savage as the Janetty of the Megapowers..or is it Hogan for his problems? If the list is going to get ridiculous...why not go all out?
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Aug 15, 2022 14:09:14 GMT -5
Marty Janetty is the only true Janetty, you cant really measure others against him as he's a unique case of personal demons, professional stagnation (staying with the rockers gimmick well past it's use by date.) and post career stardom idiocy.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 15, 2022 14:59:37 GMT -5
Marty Janetty is the only true Janetty, you cant really measure others against him as he's a unique case of personal demons, professional stagnation (staying with the rockers gimmick well past it's use by date.) and post career stardom idiocy. Yeah... the professonial stagnation bit especially showed itself in the final Shawn/Marty confrontation. Shawn is in full HBK mode... clearly having left the Rockers behind and having more success because of it... and here comes Marty Jannetty, in the same type of gear to the same song and being the exact same guy...
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Aug 15, 2022 15:17:18 GMT -5
Marty Janetty is the only true Janetty, you cant really measure others against him as he's a unique case of personal demons, professional stagnation (staying with the rockers gimmick well past it's use by date.) and post career stardom idiocy. Yeah... the professonial stagnation bit especially showed itself in the final Shawn/Marty confrontation. Shawn is in full HBK mode... clearly having left the Rockers behind and having more success because of it... and here comes Marty Jannetty, in the same type of gear to the same song and being the exact same guy... I think he turned up in wcw at some point with similar gear (didnt seem to last long.) during the early nwo to first nwo split.
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