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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 22, 2022 11:27:41 GMT -5
Did they get safer as time went on? If you watch closely, you'll notice the ones where he stays in a crouched position were to guys like Bret, Hogan, Crush, Duggan, i.e. guys who under contract. I did notice a few safer ones to guys I couldn't recognize, though. So it's possible as he got heavier, he was instructed to be more careful with jobbers. But those ones at the beginning where he sprawled out? Definitely at the start of his run. The "name" guys, you can see he even holds onto the top rope to lessen the fall even more, the jobbers he just jumps onto them. Even looking at the OP, who's the safe one on? Koko B. Ware, ok not a top guy but a respected vet. |
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Aug 22, 2022 12:09:19 GMT -5
If you watch closely, you'll notice the ones where he stays in a crouched position were to guys like Bret, Hogan, Crush, Duggan, i.e. guys who under contract. I did notice a few safer ones to guys I couldn't recognize, though. So it's possible as he got heavier, he was instructed to be more careful with jobbers. But those ones at the beginning where he sprawled out? Definitely at the start of his run. The "name" guys, you can see he even holds onto the top rope to lessen the fall even more, the jobbers he just jumps onto them. Even looking at the OP, who's the safe one on? Koko B. Ware, ok not a top guy but a respected vet. Yep. Like I said in my first post, it was a "respect" and "pay your dues" thing with him and a lot of the vets back in the day. Koko may have been low on the totem pole, but he was still someone who'd earned his spot. Plus, he had tenure over Yokozuna, so Yoko wasn't going to kill him. Hell, I believe one of the victims in the video was one of the Hardys. They were still very young and inexperienced in 1995, but they had already impressed people with their ability to sell and by taking their lumps. Of all the jobber Banzai drops in the video, that one is definitely the safest looking one. |
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Post by hentery on Aug 22, 2022 12:43:41 GMT -5
His original and jobber style banzai drop while painful is mitigated a lot. He uses his feet as a buffer, you’ll see the slide out from under as he lands. He also tries to use the ropes for some balance. It’s possible that doing it this way beyond being more painful on an opponent was more painful on him.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 22, 2022 15:59:54 GMT -5
Poor D'Lo Brown probably lives with feelings of guilt over Droz being paralyzed even though it was a true accident while guys like Yoko, Steiners and Beverly Brothers did their best to be dangerous with jobbers. Yeah I don't care what the industry used to be like this shit was f***ed up |
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Aug 22, 2022 16:10:18 GMT -5
Poor D'Lo Brown probably lives with feelings of guilt over Droz being paralyzed even though it was a true accident while guys like Yoko, Steiners and Beverly Brothers did their best to be dangerous with jobbers. Yeah I don't care what the industry used to be like this shit was f***ed up I know the Bev’s have that one Shaker Heights Spike that put that dude on the top of his sone, but in general, were they seen as careless? |
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Aug 22, 2022 16:31:25 GMT -5
The "name" guys, you can see he even holds onto the top rope to lessen the fall even more, the jobbers he just jumps onto them. Even looking at the OP, who's the safe one on? Koko B. Ware, ok not a top guy but a respected vet. Yep. Like I said in my first post, it was a "respect" and "pay your dues" thing with him and a lot of the vets back in the day. Koko may have been low on the totem pole, but he was still someone who'd earned his spot. Plus, he had tenure over Yokozuna, so Yoko wasn't going to kill him. . In addition to all that, Bret wrote in his autobiography that Koko was a pretty well-liked guy backstage. Crushing a popular veteran a few months into your run isn’t the smartest business decision. |
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Post by sungod2020 on Aug 22, 2022 18:23:01 GMT -5
Yeah I don't care what the industry used to be like this shit was f***ed up I know the Bev’s have that one Shaker Heights Spike that put that dude on the top of his sone, but in general, were they seen as careless? Only with jobbers. They wouldn't dare do such a thing with name talent. Maybe they were frustrated they weren't getting the push they felt they deserved so they took it out on no name guys. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 18:31:49 GMT -5
I know the Bev’s have that one Shaker Heights Spike that put that dude on the top of his sone, but in general, were they seen as careless? Only with jobbers. They wouldn't dare do such a thing with name talent. Maybe they were frustrated they weren't getting the push they felt they deserved so they took it out on no name guys. Yeah, but it's not the guy who has to be the 495th Assassin's fault you ain't getting pushed. He's just there to make you look threatening. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 23, 2022 13:29:07 GMT -5
Yep. Like I said in my first post, it was a "respect" and "pay your dues" thing with him and a lot of the vets back in the day. Koko may have been low on the totem pole, but he was still someone who'd earned his spot. Plus, he had tenure over Yokozuna, so Yoko wasn't going to kill him. . In addition to all that, Bret wrote in his autobiography that Koko was a pretty well-liked guy backstage. Crushing a popular veteran a few months into your run isn’t the smartest business decision. That, and it'd doubly be a bad idea because Koko would have probably beat the shit out of him. He wasn't a big dude, but he was a strong one and not the guy to try it with. |
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Post by XIII on Aug 26, 2022 16:21:46 GMT -5
I know the Bev’s have that one Shaker Heights Spike that put that dude on the top of his sone, but in general, were they seen as careless? Only with jobbers. They wouldn't dare do such a thing with name talent. Maybe they were frustrated they weren't getting the push they felt they deserved so they took it out on no name guys. I think that most everyone just kicked the shit out of the jobbers so that they had some brutal clips they could put together for a video package/tron. I do think that sometimes it was the jobbers fault though, like they wanted to really go the extra mile because someone backstage told them that’s the way to actually being a non-jobber or whatever. Sometimes they didn’t even know how to take the move and sometimes the name talent just whooped them. |
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Post by sungod2020 on Aug 26, 2022 17:20:58 GMT -5
Only with jobbers. They wouldn't dare do such a thing with name talent. Maybe they were frustrated they weren't getting the push they felt they deserved so they took it out on no name guys. I think that most everyone just kicked the shit out of the jobbers so that they had some brutal clips they could put together for a video package/tron. I do think that sometimes it was the jobbers fault though, like they wanted to really go the extra mile because someone backstage told them that’s the way to actually being a non-jobber or whatever. Sometimes they didn’t even know how to take the move and sometimes the name talent just whooped them. I don't know about that. From what I read, The Steiners dropped jobbers on their heads just for fun. I'm sure there's other who went extra hard on them because "dis business," but unless somebody can prove otherwise, many of these no names were unexpecting. Even if they were arrogant and acted like they ran the place even though they were yet to prove themselves, said name talent could've gone a little stiff just to show them, but not borderline attempted murder, there's no excuse for that. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Aug 26, 2022 18:47:40 GMT -5
Yep. The Steiners, especially, loved to drop the job guys on their heads Legit was gonna add a video of the Steiners if it wasn't so hard on mobile. Dudes got an extra payday to go above and beyond to put new talent over, if that means getting the shit kicked out of you or your head shaded or having a snake slither around you Rick was known for taking advantage of anyone in the ring if he thought he could get away with it. Which lead to that infamous Rick Steiner vs Vordell Walker match from Florida from 15 years ago. When I got to know Vordell 10 years ago I asked him about it. "Rick just figured I was another green rookie he could beat up. He didn't know I had 2 black belts. So he tried to shoot on me and I kicked his ass. Ever since then if I run into Rick he is super nice to me". Vordell is a legit tough. Dude will not bother training then go enter a judo tournament and win. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Aug 26, 2022 18:50:21 GMT -5
Yep. Like I said in my first post, it was a "respect" and "pay your dues" thing with him and a lot of the vets back in the day. Koko may have been low on the totem pole, but he was still someone who'd earned his spot. Plus, he had tenure over Yokozuna, so Yoko wasn't going to kill him. . In addition to all that, Bret wrote in his autobiography that Koko was a pretty well-liked guy backstage. Crushing a popular veteran a few months into your run isn’t the smartest business decision. Also Koko was anotheer legit tough guy. Think it was Corny but might have been Dutch mantell told a story about Koko and Steve Kearn getting into a fight backstage at Memphis. Kearn was known for being a legit bad ass. But Koko took him to the ground pinned him down using his legs and beat Steve in the face till 5 of the other guys got Koko off him. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 26, 2022 18:54:47 GMT -5
Legit was gonna add a video of the Steiners if it wasn't so hard on mobile. Dudes got an extra payday to go above and beyond to put new talent over, if that means getting the shit kicked out of you or your head shaded or having a snake slither around you Rick was known for taking advantage of anyone in the ring if he thought he could get away with it. Which lead to that infamous Rick Steiner vs Vordell Walker match from Florida from 15 years ago. When I got to know Vordell 10 years ago I asked him about it. "Rick just figured I was another green rookie he could beat up. He didn't know I had 2 black belts. So he tried to shoot on me and I kicked his ass. Ever since then if I run into Rick he is super nice to me". Vordell is a legit tough. Dude will not bother training then go enter a judo tournament and win. Rick also stiffed Foley and got shouted at backstage by Sting for it, to the effect of, "This guy's killing himself out there to make me look good, and that's how you treat him?", with Rick trying to backpedal and say he thought Foley was going to take liberties with him. Zero chance he really thought that, but Rick knew better than to piss off Sting given how much the Steiners benefited from being associated with him. There's also of course the infamous time a drunk Rick wanted to fight Norman Smiley at a bar, who just punched him out and went back to drinking. Wouldn't doubt that Norman may have sucker punched him there, but if you're going to try to goad someone into a fight, you're also basically saying, "Please, hit me first," so no sympathy for Rick on that one. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Aug 26, 2022 18:58:30 GMT -5
Rick was known for taking advantage of anyone in the ring if he thought he could get away with it. Which lead to that infamous Rick Steiner vs Vordell Walker match from Florida from 15 years ago. When I got to know Vordell 10 years ago I asked him about it. "Rick just figured I was another green rookie he could beat up. He didn't know I had 2 black belts. So he tried to shoot on me and I kicked his ass. Ever since then if I run into Rick he is super nice to me". Vordell is a legit tough. Dude will not bother training then go enter a judo tournament and win. Rick also stiffed Foley and got shouted at backstage by Sting for it, to the effect of, "This guy's killing himself out there to make me look good, and that's how you treat him?", with Rick trying to backpedal and say he thought Foley was going to take liberties with him. Zero chance he really thought that, but Rick knew better than to piss off Sting given how much the Steiners benefited from being associated with him. There's also of course the infamous time a drunk Rick wanted to fight Norman Smiley at a bar, who just punched him out and went back to drinking. Wouldn't doubt that Norman may have sucker punched him there, but if you're going to try to goad someone into a fight, you're also basically saying, "Please, hit me first," so no sympathy for Rick on that one. Add in that Norman is another legit tough guy. Speaking of tough people in wrestling had a Texas dude tell me "If you had to choose between fighting Rodney Mack or Jazz,choose rodney" I asked him why "cause Rodney will just beat you up. Jazz will killl you!" |
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 26, 2022 19:00:06 GMT -5
Rick also stiffed Foley and got shouted at backstage by Sting for it, to the effect of, "This guy's killing himself out there to make me look good, and that's how you treat him?", with Rick trying to backpedal and say he thought Foley was going to take liberties with him. Zero chance he really thought that, but Rick knew better than to piss off Sting given how much the Steiners benefited from being associated with him. There's also of course the infamous time a drunk Rick wanted to fight Norman Smiley at a bar, who just punched him out and went back to drinking. Wouldn't doubt that Norman may have sucker punched him there, but if you're going to try to goad someone into a fight, you're also basically saying, "Please, hit me first," so no sympathy for Rick on that one. Add in that Norman is another legit tough guy. Speaking of tough people in wrestling had a Texas dude tell me "If you had to choose between fighting Rodney Mack or Jazz,choose rodney" I asked him why "cause Rodney will just beat you up. Jazz will killl you!" Yeah, reminds me of Lance Storm saying he'd rather fight Ken Shamrock than Finlay or Regal, because he's losing either fight, but he'd like to keeps his ears, eyes, and nose, something to that effect. |
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Aug 26, 2022 20:59:37 GMT -5
Some of those Banzi Drops are legit some of the most unsafe,dangerous, and painful things I have seen in the ring. Made me kinda queasy.
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Post by Stu on Aug 26, 2022 21:00:06 GMT -5
So we gonna talk about the Skyscrapers and Mike Blackwell (and Avalanche)?
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Post by SmashTV on Aug 27, 2022 4:37:15 GMT -5
That was just nasty; Yoko intentionally seemed to put more effort into the jump on that one. |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Aug 27, 2022 6:19:18 GMT -5
Probably pissed off he's lost a round of Bones and needed to buy the Krew some Jack Daniels so takes it out on the poor jobber.
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