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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 28, 2022 13:11:36 GMT -5
Throwing it out there, I think benefit of hindsight's shown that Heyman was always kind of unnecessary with Brock because Brock's consistently more entertaining without him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 28, 2022 13:12:47 GMT -5
Throwing it out there, I think benefit of hindsight's shown that Heyman was always kind of unnecessary with Brock because Brock's consistently more entertaining without him. Except for when he came back the first time and had that long ass promo with Cena
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Post by Citizen Snips on Aug 28, 2022 13:21:22 GMT -5
Surprised no one mentioned Baron and Powers of Pain. Did Baron ever talk for them? It was such a short lived combo I hadn't seen any videos. I definitely remember him doing those Picture in Picture interviews during their entrance. I think Baron was like the aforementioned Coach John Tolos, Vince was just giving an older guy he liked some work to help him out.
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Aug 28, 2022 13:42:37 GMT -5
I've been binging the OVP WWF reviews and in the 1982 episodes, they discuss how ridiculous it is to have Jesse Ventura have Freddie Blassie as a manager, since Jesse, even back then, already had mic skills. I'm going through those also! 😃Figured after all these years of hearing them plugged I should at least give it a listen. A lot of guys before 1984 didn't "need" managers to talk for them; the main point of the manager was to let fans know 'he's a bad guy, boo him'. Adrian Adonis could talk like a pro; Fred Blassie was just the guy that did the bad guy crap like sneak foreign objects to him.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 28, 2022 13:59:54 GMT -5
Don't know if it's been mentioned yet but Jimmy Hart and Money Inc. I know it was necessary to turn the Natural Disasters and later the Nasty Boys face but as a manager he added nothing to them. Dibiase was a really good promo and IRS was solid enough in that area too so they didn't need him at all there and also he just didn't fit with them at all.
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Post by saneiac on Aug 28, 2022 14:43:05 GMT -5
LOD and Sunny, what was the point? Sunny didn't manage LOD. She managed L! O! D! 2000! Gods, they were terrible by that time.
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Post by CMWaters on Aug 28, 2022 14:46:48 GMT -5
LOD and Sunny, what was the point? Sunny didn't manage LOD. She managed L! O! D! 2000! Gods, they were terrible by that time. And then (no offense to this person) Droz came into the team...
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Aug 28, 2022 15:01:46 GMT -5
Claudio and Aksana
Dusty Rhodes and Sapphire
Owen Hart and James E. Tennis
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Aug 28, 2022 15:23:04 GMT -5
I seem to remember Shawn Michaels being paired with Luna circa 93 which didn’t fit either party. This still wasn't as bad as Shawn being paired with Jose Lothario.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 16:22:12 GMT -5
I seem to remember Shawn Michaels being paired with Luna circa 93 which didn’t fit either party. This still wasn't as bad as Shawn being paired with Jose Lothario.
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 28, 2022 16:27:23 GMT -5
The Shawn/Jose combo really shows how out of touch Vince has been. He may be a "genius" but he also gets it wrong a lot of times. Jose also looked 20 years older than he was and Shawn looks like his caregiver who is just at their wit's end with how difficult it is to take care of their elderly patient.
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Post by Ozman on Aug 28, 2022 16:34:05 GMT -5
The Shawn/Jose combo really shows how out of touch Vince has been. He may be a "genius" but he also gets it wrong a lot of times. Jose also looked 20 years older than he was and Shawn looks like his caregiver who is just at their wit's end with how difficult it is to take care of their elderly patient. I remember Bruce Prichard saying on his podcast that Vince saw the Shawn/Jose pairing like a modern day version of Rocky and Mickey from the Rocky movies.
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Post by nate5054 on Aug 28, 2022 17:45:57 GMT -5
Heenan and Rick Rude. It didn't suck because both are great, but Rude just didn't need a manager. All he needed to do was go out, call the fans out of shape sweathogs, kiss a girl from the audience and bam, instant heat.
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Post by Aceorton on Aug 28, 2022 18:38:15 GMT -5
The Bulldogs and Captain Lou, who was useless as a babyface (and barely useful as a heel). When you replace the human manager with a dog and it gets you more over, that doesn't say much for the human.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 28, 2022 18:41:13 GMT -5
Punk and Heyman played off each other perfectly. You can have manager-wrestlers who can both talk work as a unit when the dynamic is compelling. Look at Heenan and Bockwinkle, The Heenan-Perfect-Flair combo, Sherri and Savage, etc.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 28, 2022 18:43:36 GMT -5
Surprised no one mentioned Baron and Powers of Pain. Did Baron ever talk for them? It was such a short lived combo I hadn't seen any videos. The issue with this combo is that by the late-80s Baron was beloved and Vince wanted the Powers getting boo'ed instead of the warm reception they were getting so he cut Baron from the combo iirc.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 28, 2022 20:26:00 GMT -5
Maryse managing/valeting for Ted DiBiase was an exercise in futility, but you could say that about just about everything they did with poor Ted after Legacy broke up.
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Post by BorneAgain on Aug 28, 2022 20:39:11 GMT -5
Maryse managing/valeting for Ted DiBiase was an exercise in futility, but you could say that about just about everything they did with poor Ted after Legacy broke up. Essentially nothing worked about that pairing. -They had virtually no chemistry. -It made more sense for DiBiase to have a different girl on his arm every week than having just one. -Even casual fans were becoming aware of Miz and Maryse's relationship at this point so the vibe with DiBiase felt even more phony to them. When even having a 60 year old Virgil feels more fitting as a secondary, that's a telling sign.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 28, 2022 20:49:20 GMT -5
Maryse managing/valeting for Ted DiBiase was an exercise in futility, but you could say that about just about everything they did with poor Ted after Legacy broke up. The only and funniest thing out that whole thing was when he fired Virgil and Virgil was like what about protection and Ted quipped i'll go to the drug store
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Aug 28, 2022 21:09:26 GMT -5
Punk and Heyman played off each other perfectly. You can have manager-wrestlers who can both talk work as a unit when the dynamic is compelling. Look at Heenan and Bockwinkle, The Heenan-Perfect-Flair combo, Sherri and Savage, etc. Well, Chaz and I agree on something. Sometimes a manager is needed because the wrestler sucks at talking. Other times, the manager just enhances the act. Every one in the first incarnation of the Four Horseman could talk. But JJ added to the group.
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