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Post by hassanchop on Sept 13, 2022 8:43:39 GMT -5
Let's say Luger did renew his contract, and it was Bulldog's contract that was up, and Bulldog decides, he is just floating around, the roster is stacked, and business in WWF at 95 was slow and the morale was low. I mean, that's why they had the Gunns vs Ron and Don instead of a tag title match at Summerslam, so instead of going heel, Bulldog decides to give the competition a try. Bischoff that time didn't want Luger signed and even offered a fraction of what he was making, if it was Bulldog, maybe Bischoff would've offered more to him which probably would've lured him more. How would that have turned out? I imagine it would be similar to Luger's debut, Bulldog shows up during the Sting and Flair match, Bulldog like Luger has history with both individuals, he teamed with Sting in 93, he lasted long in Rumble 92 with Flair so there you have it. I can also imagine him challenging Hogan and explaining that his attack on another champion in another company proves he is more than capable of going after the real champion, which is why he is in Nitro. Where would he be after that? Would he have bigger role later? Would it have gone differently? And what about WWF? How would they try to salvage the story where he betrayed Diesel? Where does that leave Luger? Does Vince take his anger out on the Harts? Or to Luger that he pushes him down the card?
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Post by Fundertaker on Sept 13, 2022 8:54:25 GMT -5
Bulldog in that white shirt would've been... BIZARRE... to say the least.
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Post by hassanchop on Sept 13, 2022 9:05:05 GMT -5
Another idea, if Bulldog does team up with Hogan, Sting and Savage at Fall Brawl against the Dungeon of Doom, maybe Savage not trusting Bulldog would make a bit of sense, as they would allude to him attacking Diesel and betraying Luger, wouldn't say it directly but Savage could allude to it even reminding Sting that the other guy he stabbed in the back is someone close to him.
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Post by tafkaga on Sept 13, 2022 11:26:31 GMT -5
In '95, I saw Bulldog as a midcard guy being pushed as a stopgap main eventer, and Luger as a main event guy being wasted in the midcard.
So, I don't see that swap being good for either of them.
Vince had no idea what to do with Luger. He belonged in WCW, and his almost immediate resurgence is all the proof of this that we need.
Bulldog walking into Nitro would not have had nearly the impact. Besides, he'd already had a main event run in WCW two years prior, and his reception was pretty lukewarm.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 13, 2022 11:42:05 GMT -5
There is a lot of hypothetical Hart Foundation discourse of late
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 13, 2022 11:58:21 GMT -5
In '95, I saw Bulldog as a midcard guy being pushed as a stopgap main eventer, and Luger as a main event guy being wasted in the midcard. So, I don't see that swap being good for either of them. Vince had no idea what to do with Luger. He belonged in WCW, and his almost immediate resurgence is all the proof of this that we need. Bulldog walking into Nitro would not have had nearly the impact. Besides, he'd already had a main event run in WCW two years prior, and his reception was pretty lukewarm. Good analysis. Bulldog walking in would be surprising but not have an impact overall. Like you said, he was already in the main event scene in WCW. He probably only got the spot because he was with WWF, it was never a spot he should have been in-whether 1992 Summerslam, 1993 WCW, 1996 WWF. Not a knock on him, he was a great talent but his place was upper mid card. Eric Bischoff was pretty smart back then, I don't think he would have brought Bulldog for the first Nitro or as the "third man." Lex was also more of a wild card. He was the original "whose side is he on" type of guy. He went from good to bad, bad to good guy so many times already you didn't know whose side he was on. He left WWF the smiling babyface but came to Nitro with the old arrogant look on his face he had in 1992 WCW.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 13, 2022 13:25:31 GMT -5
There is a lot of hypothetical Hart Foundation discourse of late What if Luger embarrassed JR and Alexa Bliss, who were wearing business attire after he stripped them both to their underwear and burned their regular clothes so as to absorb their powers, and-
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Post by nickcave on Sept 13, 2022 14:37:41 GMT -5
Luger was more synonymous with WCW than Bulldog who only had a very short cup of coffee there, it would have been surprising but not as impactful
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 13, 2022 15:25:09 GMT -5
There is a lot of hypothetical Hart Foundation discourse of late What if Luger embarrassed JR and Alexa Bliss, who were wearing business attire after he stripped them both to their underwear and burned their regular clothes so as to absorb their powers, and- Get out of my head!
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Post by XIII on Sept 13, 2022 15:42:51 GMT -5
Why are there so many what if Bulldog threads lately? Dude wasn’t going to make a difference anywhere that he went in the 90s!
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Sept 13, 2022 15:48:05 GMT -5
There is a lot of hypothetical Hart Foundation discourse of late What if Luger embarrassed JR and Alexa Bliss, who were wearing business attire after he stripped them both to their underwear and burned their regular clothes so as to absorb their powers, and- and it ruined Lord Tensai's gimmick which led to Bret Hart not being able to get a boner AND Triple H's performance in bed suffering which led to them both assaulting Christian's Malaysian slaves with a screwdriver, and-
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 13, 2022 16:02:48 GMT -5
What if Luger embarrassed JR and Alexa Bliss, who were wearing business attire after he stripped them both to their underwear and burned their regular clothes so as to absorb their powers, and- and it ruined Lord Tensai's gimmick which led to Bret Hart not being able to get a boner AND Triple H's performance in bed suffering which led to them both assaulting Christian's Malaysian slaves with a screwdriver, and- If Beth Phoenix had enough passion, none of this would have ever happened.
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Post by tirtefaa on Sept 13, 2022 16:22:21 GMT -5
Why are there so many what if Bulldog threads lately? Dude wasn’t going to make a difference anywhere that he went in the 90s! OP must be a massive Bulldog fan. Yeah, I mean it was already mentioned but this isn't a 1 to 1 trade. Luger was far more charismatic than Bulldog, and I say that as someone who didn't like Luger back in the day. Bulldog would shuffle down the card so fast after the initial "shock" wore off. I could see him being like the 11th person to join the nWo or something but spending most of his time tagging with Buff Bagwell or chasing the TV title. Or...much like his other two runs in WCW, he's there for a short stint and then jumps back to WWF as if nothing happened.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 13, 2022 16:38:45 GMT -5
Vince never knew what to do with Luger and Davey Boy probably would have flamed out a lot quicker without Bret and Owen around.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 13, 2022 16:57:20 GMT -5
Why are there so many what if Bulldog threads lately? Dude wasn’t going to make a difference anywhere that he went in the 90s! The expansion into the european market was basically a life support system for the WWF and WCW to a lesser degree for much of the 90s and having name european talent helps with that, with Bulldog being the biggest one out there. You weren't going to get match or feuds of the year from Bulldog, but you were going to get more bums in seats on tour, which is why he kept getting fairly big deals and a solid push until his final WWF run.
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Post by thegame415 on Sept 13, 2022 19:08:31 GMT -5
I don’t think it works. Bulldog wasn’t as over as Luger in the US at least.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Sept 13, 2022 19:15:36 GMT -5
There is a lot of hypothetical Hart Foundation discourse of late What if Luger embarrassed JR and Alexa Bliss, who were wearing business attire after he stripped them both to their underwear and burned their regular clothes so as to absorb their powers, and- How would Luger staying with the fed affect HBK in '97? Actually, how would Luger look in the slightly pre-attitude era WWF?
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Post by hassanchop on Sept 13, 2022 19:30:25 GMT -5
I don’t think it works. Bulldog wasn’t as over as Luger in the US at least. That's why he turned on Luger, he hated the USA chants. What if Luger embarrassed JR and Alexa Bliss, who were wearing business attire after he stripped them both to their underwear and burned their regular clothes so as to absorb their powers, and- How would Luger staying with the fed affect HBK in '97? Actually, how would Luger look in the slightly pre-attitude era WWF? Probably won't HBK would still get his run and drama with Bret. I can imagine Luger feuding with Faarooq due to their football history before wrestling, and JR will go on and on about their shared football history. Maybe Luger teams with Rocky Maivia or Mark Henry since Henry had the whole All American look and Rock was a goody two shoes like him, and both turn on Luger and join Farooq after he convinces them that Lex would hold them back.
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Post by fw91 on Sept 13, 2022 19:31:12 GMT -5
Bulldog fit in MUCH better with WWF at the time.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Sept 13, 2022 19:31:48 GMT -5
Why are there so many what if Bulldog threads lately? Dude wasn’t going to make a difference anywhere that he went in the 90s! The only one who made a difference back then was Fatu.
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