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Post by fw91 on Sept 24, 2022 19:01:16 GMT -5
Doesn't mean people have to accept it. Because he's racist and admitted it. And he apologized. He also has no history of racist actions or statements. Black wrestlers are friends of him. He's feuded with many POC. He's done Make A Wish and other charity acts that benefit POC. Like... I just don't understand the "He's a racist piece of shit" people. Like... look at the man's actions. His life. His history. He's not racist. To be fully transparent, I think the current social climate is a bit much. But you're taking a huge reach here.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Sept 24, 2022 19:14:11 GMT -5
One could argue Shawn was unprofessional at least some of this feud but Hogan was unprofessional through most of his career so f*** it I mean Shawn was definitely unprofessional at least the first half of his career lol
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 24, 2022 19:34:47 GMT -5
And he apologized. He also has no history of racist actions or statements. Black wrestlers are friends of him. He's feuded with many POC. He's done Make A Wish and other charity acts that benefit POC. Like... I just don't understand the "He's a racist piece of shit" people. Like... look at the man's actions. His life. His history. He's not racist. To be fully transparent, I think the current social climate is a bit much. But you're taking a huge reach here. We just judge everyone by what they say now?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 24, 2022 19:37:19 GMT -5
Defending Hogan would not be my Hill to die on
We can say f*** HBK for him being an ass but forgive Hogan because he gave a BS apology and he's sorry?
Yeah, that don't make sense
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 24, 2022 19:39:12 GMT -5
Defending Hogan would not be my Hill to die on We can say f*** HBK for him being an ass but forgive Hogan because he gave a BS apology and he's sorry? Yeah, that don't make sense I'm not basing my argument of him not being racist JUST on the apology. But his entire life. What other people say. I don't believe he's racist.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 24, 2022 20:01:49 GMT -5
Defending Hogan would not be my Hill to die on We can say f*** HBK for him being an ass but forgive Hogan because he gave a BS apology and he's sorry? Yeah, that don't make sense I'm not basing my argument of him not being racist JUST on the apology. But his entire life. What other people say. I don't believe he's racist. Just because you apologize doesn't mean people will accept it and not every Black Person is one universal hive mind. I myself as a Black Man can say he's racist for saying that but another black person may not There is difference between working with black people in benefit of yourself and then not wanting them in your family (which is what he said). That's no different than being allowed on the bus but being forced to sit in the back imo That is where I will leave it tho. But back to the thread, Hogan was an ass for trying to backdoor his way out the feud so no I don't blame HBK for making a show of it and the only reason the match is remembered is because of that
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Post by Cyno on Sept 24, 2022 20:18:02 GMT -5
Oh this guy is defending Hogan's racism again.
Also I'm not a big HBK fan and he can be a pretty shitty person, too. But I'll always get a laugh out of his blatant overselling of that clown.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 24, 2022 20:35:34 GMT -5
Oh this guy is defending Hogan's racism again.
Also I'm not a big HBK fan and he can be a pretty shitty person, too. But I'll always get a laugh out of his blatant overselling of that clown.
I'm not defending his racism. He's not racist.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 24, 2022 20:36:25 GMT -5
I'm not basing my argument of him not being racist JUST on the apology. But his entire life. What other people say. I don't believe he's racist. Just because you apologize doesn't mean people will accept it and not every Black Person is one universal hive mind. I myself as a Black Man can say he's racist for saying that but another black person may not There is difference between working with black people in benefit of yourself and then not wanting them in your family (which is what he said). That's no different than being allowed on the bus but being forced to sit in the back imo That is where I will leave it tho. But back to the thread, Hogan was an ass for trying to backdoor his way out the feud so no I don't blame HBK for making a show of it and the only reason the match is remembered is because of that My ex wife, who I'm on very good terms with is black. Our child is black. Trust me I understand the struggle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 20:43:21 GMT -5
Oh this guy is defending Hogan's racism again.
Also I'm not a big HBK fan and he can be a pretty shitty person, too. But I'll always get a laugh out of his blatant overselling of that clown.
I doubt the match would've been all that good if it weren't for HBK's selling, even if he was doing it just to be a dick.
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Post by 67 more on Sept 25, 2022 2:03:53 GMT -5
Oh this guy is defending Hogan's racism again.
Also I'm not a big HBK fan and he can be a pretty shitty person, too. But I'll always get a laugh out of his blatant overselling of that clown.
I'm not defending his racism. He's not racist. If your reaction to your daughter dating black people is to go on a post-coital epithet-heavy rant, that doesn't strike me as being all that inclusive. This wasn't a bad joke or a comment taken out of context, he was straight up pissed off by his daughter being in an interracial relationship. You can't claim what you said goes against your beliefs when you're that invested in it. He may not have been racist in his active career and he may not be racist now, but we know for a fact that at that point in 2007, he was most definitely a racist and it's very hard for that shit to get back into the asshole. His apology would mean more if he straight up admitted that he was in a bad place and started believing some messed-up things but he no longer does and he's ashamed of his previous comments. Saying that you never believed those thing is clearly a lie. He didn't help his case by retweeting comments about why can a black man can say it discussing the history of the word but he can't because he's white, plus so many of his apologies being I'm sorry I got recorded saying it rather than I'm sorry I said it.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 25, 2022 2:16:25 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan apologised for being caught, and always limited it to the 'language' he used, rather than y'know, the full blown racist tirade and attitudes that surrounded the one particular word he apologised for (and later claimed to be totally justified because he grew up in a rough neighbourhood where they'd use it all the time).
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Sept 25, 2022 3:04:33 GMT -5
Cant blame Shawn for clowning Hogan like he did once I heard about that Shawn's selling was hilarious. Yeah, he's a dick, but Terry's a giant racist asshole, soooo? If you're gonna choose between a dick and a racist, I'm pro-dick. Wait... I'm 'pro' a lot of things, but 'lingual' isn't one of them.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 25, 2022 4:56:40 GMT -5
One could argue Shawn was unprofessional at least some of this feud but Hogan was unprofessional through most of his career so f*** it I mean Shawn was definitely unprofessional at least the first half of his career lol That is a great point. I guess my overall thought was more they are both pricks so them trying to out politic each other is all fun from here
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 25, 2022 5:38:32 GMT -5
I can't belive people defend HBK for that bullshit. HBK didn't deserve to be in the ring with Hogan. f*** HBK. Because Shawn bumping like that was not only hilarious, it was also needed in order to make the match actually watchable because Hogan could barely move.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 25, 2022 5:38:35 GMT -5
Both Hogan and HBK got what they deserved out of it, the only people that got screwed were the fans who had to watch that garbage. Hogan embarrassed the shit out of himself and looked like a fool because he had to do things his way and at his f***ing old age, still was worried about taking a lose, Shawn went up against someone who could outpolitick Shawn, even with Shawn's best friend in the office, and came off looking like the same baby he was a decade before when he didn't get his way.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 25, 2022 10:01:18 GMT -5
I'm not basing my argument of him not being racist JUST on the apology. But his entire life. What other people say. I don't believe he's racist. Just because you apologize doesn't mean people will accept it and not every Black Person is one universal hive mind. I myself as a Black Man can say he's racist for saying that but another black person may not There is difference between working with black people in benefit of yourself and then not wanting them in your family (which is what he said). That's no different than being allowed on the bus but being forced to sit in the back imo That is where I will leave it tho. But back to the thread, Hogan was an ass for trying to backdoor his way out the feud so no I don't blame HBK for making a show of it and the only reason the match is remembered is because of that as a white person my take has always been that it doesn't matter shit all if I accept his apology (for the record, I don't because it really did sound like he was only sorry for getting caught). I'm not the one his racist tirade was pointed at. the only people whose opinions matter are black people, and their opinions are always going to vary from person to person. what he said is out there, his "apology" is out there and it always will be. people aren't entitled to forgiveness just because they ask for it, and Hogan's fans who do forgive him just need to accept that a lot of people never will. if that means Hogan can't just be trotted out for a cheap pop by WWE whenever they need one anymore, then so be it.
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Post by tntchamp on Sept 25, 2022 17:59:22 GMT -5
Both Hogan and HBK got what they deserved out of it, the only people that got screwed were the fans who had to watch that garbage. Hogan embarrassed the shit out of himself and looked like a fool because he had to do things his way and at his f***ing old age, still was worried about taking a lose, Shawn went up against someone who could outpolitick Shawn, even with Shawn's best friend in the office, and came off looking like the same baby he was a decade before when he didn't get his way. That's pretty much my stance. Hogan weaseling his way out of a rematch was a douchebag move (what a shock Hogan is doing scummy stuff backstage)but it equally feels like karma to Michaels who got to finally find out what it is like to get out politicked by someone and then basically show he has not matured as much as he says he has.
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Post by James Fabiano on Sept 25, 2022 18:31:10 GMT -5
That works for me, brother.
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Post by MrElijah on Sept 26, 2022 11:10:04 GMT -5
Both Hogan and HBK got what they deserved out of it, the only people that got screwed were the fans who had to watch that garbage. Hogan embarrassed the shit out of himself and looked like a fool because he had to do things his way and at his f***ing old age, still was worried about taking a lose, Shawn went up against someone who could outpolitick Shawn, even with Shawn's best friend in the office, and came off looking like the same baby he was a decade before when he didn't get his way. The Kliq: We run this business! Hogan: Hold my past-a-mamia, Brother.
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