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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 26, 2022 11:54:37 GMT -5
Both Hogan and HBK got what they deserved out of it, the only people that got screwed were the fans who had to watch that garbage. Hogan embarrassed the shit out of himself and looked like a fool because he had to do things his way and at his f***ing old age, still was worried about taking a lose, Shawn went up against someone who could outpolitick Shawn, even with Shawn's best friend in the office, and came off looking like the same baby he was a decade before when he didn't get his way. That's pretty much my stance. Hogan weaseling his way out of a rematch was a douchebag move (what a shock Hogan is doing scummy stuff backstage)but it equally feels like karma to Michaels who got to finally find out what it is like to get out politicked by someone and then basically show he has not matured as much as he says he has. I agree. It's not that Hogan was right in what he did, but Shawn did more than his fair share and then took his issues into the match instead of dealing with it like a grown-up. I know people enjoyed Shawn's overselling but for me at the time it took me right out of the match.
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Post by tntchamp on Sept 26, 2022 12:13:45 GMT -5
That's pretty much my stance. Hogan weaseling his way out of a rematch was a douchebag move (what a shock Hogan is doing scummy stuff backstage)but it equally feels like karma to Michaels who got to finally find out what it is like to get out politicked by someone and then basically show he has not matured as much as he says he has. I agree. It's not that Hogan was right in what he did, but Shawn did more than his fair share and then took his issues into the match instead of dealing with it like a grown-up. I know people enjoyed Shawn's overselling but for me at the time it took me right out of the match. Yeah like Shawn was very immature in how he handled it and between stuff like that and the whole mocking FTR member (Drax I think) I feel Michaels has not changed as much as he likes to claims he has. I also don't get why a lot of people are siding with Michaels in terms of his overselling/hissy fit. If it has been the other way around with Hogan throwing a fit and doing that, people here would (rightfully) call it out for being unprofessional, but Michaels gets a pass. I want to make it clear too this by no means excuse Hogan for screwing over Michaels because that was wrong too.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 26, 2022 12:52:42 GMT -5
I agree. It's not that Hogan was right in what he did, but Shawn did more than his fair share and then took his issues into the match instead of dealing with it like a grown-up. I know people enjoyed Shawn's overselling but for me at the time it took me right out of the match. Yeah like Shawn was very immature in how he handled it and between stuff like that and the whole mocking FTR member (Drax I think) I feel Michaels has not changed as much as he likes to claims he has. I also don't get why a lot of people are siding with Michaels in terms of his overselling/hissy fit. If it has been the other way around with Hogan throwing a fit and doing that, people here would (rightfully) call it out for being unprofessional, but Michaels gets a pass. I want to make it clear too this by no means excuse Hogan for screwing over Michaels because that was wrong too. Shawn got away with it BECAUSE he did it to Hogan. By that point a large segment of the fanbase were sick of Hogan's barely mobile ass showing up every now and again to bury someone who'd still be there next week. Coupled with more people finding out about his politicking in WCW over the years and an entire generation of newer fans for whom he was a tires old has-been, it seems almost inevitable. A lot of people were already ready to be done with Hogan forever at that point. And that was long before his antics in TNA and racist tirade made even more people jump aboard the "f*** Hogan" train. If Shawn had pulled that shit with literally anyone else he never would have heard the end of it but with Hogan, dude was THE low hanging fruit he could actually do that shit with.
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Post by tntchamp on Sept 26, 2022 13:18:32 GMT -5
Yeah like Shawn was very immature in how he handled it and between stuff like that and the whole mocking FTR member (Drax I think) I feel Michaels has not changed as much as he likes to claims he has. I also don't get why a lot of people are siding with Michaels in terms of his overselling/hissy fit. If it has been the other way around with Hogan throwing a fit and doing that, people here would (rightfully) call it out for being unprofessional, but Michaels gets a pass. I want to make it clear too this by no means excuse Hogan for screwing over Michaels because that was wrong too. Shawn got away with it BECAUSE he did it to Hogan. By that point a large segment of the fanbase were sick of Hogan's barely mobile ass showing up every now and again to bury someone who'd still be there next week. Coupled with more people finding out about his politicking in WCW over the years and an entire generation of newer fans for whom he was a tires old has-been, it seems almost inevitable. A lot of people were already ready to be done with Hogan forever at that point. And that was long before his antics in TNA and racist tirade made even more people jump aboard the "f*** Hogan" train. If Shawn had pulled that shit with literally anyone else he never would have heard the end of it but with Hogan, dude was THE low hanging fruit he could actually do that shit with. Yeah I figured that was why. I have no regards for Hogan as a person at least but Shawn Michaels was still out of line for doing that regardless of who it was.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 26, 2022 13:50:13 GMT -5
Shawn got away with it BECAUSE he did it to Hogan. By that point a large segment of the fanbase were sick of Hogan's barely mobile ass showing up every now and again to bury someone who'd still be there next week. Coupled with more people finding out about his politicking in WCW over the years and an entire generation of newer fans for whom he was a tires old has-been, it seems almost inevitable. A lot of people were already ready to be done with Hogan forever at that point. And that was long before his antics in TNA and racist tirade made even more people jump aboard the "f*** Hogan" train. If Shawn had pulled that shit with literally anyone else he never would have heard the end of it but with Hogan, dude was THE low hanging fruit he could actually do that shit with. Yeah I figured that was why. I have no regards for Hogan as a person at least but Shawn Michaels was still out of line for doing that regardless of who it was. Oh yeah it was unprofessional as f***. I'm just too much of a sarcastic asshole not to find it amusing
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Post by sportatorium on Sept 26, 2022 14:11:05 GMT -5
Shawn clowned him. Hogan up to then and even after received nothing but fanfare & tribute every time he returned to WWE. A lot of people have commented that he only came around when he wanted a check because he knew Vince would always write him one.
Shawn was immediately booked right back into his babyface character, so I don't think Vince was terribly upset with the whole thing. Everybody had to play ball by Hogan's rules and Shawn used the match to get a dig in on him.
Hulk shooting down a face vs face match shows his cards perfectly. He did get cheers over most people, but it was 100% in the Hulk Hogan formula. Shawn could play the vulnerable underdog babyface way better than Hulk and could have turned that audience to his side pretty easily.
I guess I just don't see Shawn's clowning & overselling as the affront to wrestling that others do. Hulk's made a bigger fool of himself on TV than that plenty of times.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 26, 2022 15:28:04 GMT -5
That's pretty much my stance. Hogan weaseling his way out of a rematch was a douchebag move (what a shock Hogan is doing scummy stuff backstage)but it equally feels like karma to Michaels who got to finally find out what it is like to get out politicked by someone and then basically show he has not matured as much as he says he has. I agree. It's not that Hogan was right in what he did, but Shawn did more than his fair share and then took his issues into the match instead of dealing with it like a grown-up. I know people enjoyed Shawn's overselling but for me at the time it took me right out of the match. I agree that Shawns antics completely take you out of the match. It is in no way believable and turns the whole thing into a vaudeville act. But I would argue that Shawn playing the match straight would be just as ridiculous. Hogan was barely mobile and not in particularly good shape. So IMO it would have been just as ridiculous for Shawn to slow himself down and treat Hogan as any kind of legitimate threat. It would have taken me right out of the match. So IMO is the match is going to be unbelievable no matter what you may as well make it memorable.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Sept 26, 2022 15:37:30 GMT -5
I don't like that people are expected to pick sides in stuff like this, because it was two twats trying to out-twat one another. Hogan did him over by refusing to lose the return match, Michaels acted like a fool, they were both wrong.
Grown men behaving like children aside, I thought the feud was actually alright. Michaels is just so convincing as a gobshite heel (I can't think why...), and ridiculous overselling aside I seem to remember actually enjoying the match more than I expected to.
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