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Post by Cyno on Oct 1, 2022 13:49:39 GMT -5
Hero worship to the point of delusion is a sad thing to see.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Oct 1, 2022 13:55:26 GMT -5
He was giving everyone prizes for watching!
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 1, 2022 13:58:30 GMT -5
Was this FUNB Hogan or was that 2000
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Post by Cyno on Oct 1, 2022 14:00:22 GMT -5
FUNB was 2000.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 1, 2022 18:19:38 GMT -5
Boy that was a dire time wasn’t it. Hogan walking around in a camo vest. Backed up by Horace who looks like a depressed Homer Simpson.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 1, 2022 18:23:54 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan was is maybe the most important and influential wrestler of all time, and it's a damn shame we can't even discuss the man's career without gimmick posters coming in and making it all about them. Hogan being over or not over in 1999 really has nothing to do with him being a racist piece of shit. Sorry for the rant.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Oct 1, 2022 18:50:08 GMT -5
Boy that was a dire time wasn’t it. Hogan walking around in a camo vest. Backed up by Horace who looks like a depressed Homer Simpson. I didn't see the whole FUNB Hogan run but I did enjoy his Slamboree match with Kidman.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Oct 1, 2022 19:59:38 GMT -5
I always thought it was weird he went back to the red and yellow and no one really cared and it lasted all of a couple months I think that kind of effed up his babyface turn. Hollywood Hogan had that edge that he needed in '99, and returning to the nostalgic look just made him look like a relic again. Nostalgia Hogan should have stayed where they left him in 1996. So then that begs the question, why was his nostalgia act in WCW unsuccessful, while his nostalgia run in WWE wildly successful? Was it because it happened post 9/11, at a time when people wanted and needed such a symbol?
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 1, 2022 20:05:43 GMT -5
I think that kind of effed up his babyface turn. Hollywood Hogan had that edge that he needed in '99, and returning to the nostalgic look just made him look like a relic again. Nostalgia Hogan should have stayed where they left him in 1996. So then that begs the question, why was his nostalgia act in WCW unsuccessful, while his nostalgia run in WWE wildly successful? Was it because it happened post 9/11, at a time when people wanted and needed such a symbol? A lot of it comes down to WWE fans (even newer ones) were inclined to embrace Hogan in away the WCW audience didn't. Red and Yellow Hogan in World Championship Wrestling was a novelty, while the same idea was seen as iconic in World Wrestling Entertainment.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Oct 1, 2022 20:11:13 GMT -5
So then that begs the question, why was his nostalgia act in WCW unsuccessful, while his nostalgia run in WWE wildly successful? Was it because it happened post 9/11, at a time when people wanted and needed such a symbol? A lot of it comes down to WWE fans (even newer ones) were inclined to embrace Hogan in away the WCW audience didn't. Red and Yellow Hogan in World Championship Wrestling was a novelty, while the same idea was seen as iconic in World Wrestling Entertainment. Ah, good point. Red and Yellow Hogan has history behind it in WWE, especially with fans that grew up with it. It plain didn't have that in WCW.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 1, 2022 20:22:49 GMT -5
See. As a WWE fan growing up I just saw Hogan as the red and yellow. When he returned, he was still tainted by the evil WCW grounds, then he was cleansed of that evil at Mania 18
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 2, 2022 3:10:23 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan was is maybe the most important and influential wrestler of all time, and it's a damn shame we can't even discuss the man's career without gimmick posters coming in and making it all about them. Hogan being over or not over in 1999 really has nothing to do with him being a racist piece of shit. Sorry for the rant. I don't think I'm a gimmick poster. I'm just a fan of the dude. Still.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 2, 2022 3:11:37 GMT -5
Hero worship to the point of delusion is a sad thing to see. I don't worship the dude. I respect him. I admire him. I acknowledge he apologized. I also think he was right in alot of "that don't work for me brother" moments.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 2, 2022 12:53:14 GMT -5
I don't worship the guy, but every bad thing he did was pretty awesome.
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Post by Renslayer on Oct 2, 2022 17:07:57 GMT -5
He was always treated like a God in more WWF territories like New York or Canada. The first ever Canadian Nitro was in Toronto in March 1999 and the crowd went crazy for him and it kinda carried over to the following weeks. It completely messed up storylines though because he never got comeuppance for the fingerpoke of doom and come the summer Goldberg looked like an idiot happily tagging with him. In more traditional WCW towns they could be rougher towards him. Like Sting being wildly cheered when he turned heel on Hogan at Fall Brawl in North Carolina. Did WCW run many PPVs in canada? Feel like they might have, but I'm drawing a blank
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Post by S-Chrome on Oct 2, 2022 17:18:06 GMT -5
Even though the NWO angle went out with a whimper, I could appreciate the bookended nature of Hogan cutting that promo in '99 about how him getting a positive reaction from the fans led to make a change (As opposed to BATB '96). The change back to Red & Yellow ended up boring me.
Alao, composite characters fascinate me. Hollywood Hulk Hogan with some of the mannerisms from both personas was kinda cool. Cool enough for WWE to rehash it after Mania 18.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 2, 2022 17:59:25 GMT -5
I don't worship the guy, but every bad thing he did was pretty awesome. I never said that?
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Post by Cyno on Oct 2, 2022 18:32:42 GMT -5
He was always treated like a God in more WWF territories like New York or Canada. The first ever Canadian Nitro was in Toronto in March 1999 and the crowd went crazy for him and it kinda carried over to the following weeks. It completely messed up storylines though because he never got comeuppance for the fingerpoke of doom and come the summer Goldberg looked like an idiot happily tagging with him. In more traditional WCW towns they could be rougher towards him. Like Sting being wildly cheered when he turned heel on Hogan at Fall Brawl in North Carolina. Did WCW run many PPVs in canada? Feel like they might have, but I'm drawing a blank They only ever ran two PPV's in Canada: Mayhem 1999 in Toronto and New Blood Rising 2000 in Vancouver.
WCW didn't run any Canadian shows from 1991-1998. The March 28, 1999 Nitro from Toronto was the first WCW show in Canada since a house show (also in Toronto) in November 1990.
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Post by tafkaga on Oct 2, 2022 21:14:03 GMT -5
A lot of it comes down to WWE fans (even newer ones) were inclined to embrace Hogan in away the WCW audience didn't. Red and Yellow Hogan in World Championship Wrestling was a novelty, while the same idea was seen as iconic in World Wrestling Entertainment. Ah, good point. Red and Yellow Hogan has history behind it in WWE, especially with fans that grew up with it. It plain didn't have that in WCW. Makes me wonder how Hogan would have fared if he'd gone to WCW in 1990-91, when he still had bulk and looked like a prime Hogan. In '94 he just looked like some old relic on some kind of a midlife crisis ego trip, and he didn't approach Sting's level of popularity among the WCW audience.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 3, 2022 7:05:15 GMT -5
Fun note to remember: Hogan going back to red and yellow was the same night as Jericho's WWF debut.
Also, I know it was later than the year we're discussing, but for people who didn't like Hogan going back to red and yellow, would you have preferred him sticking with his later Millionaires Club look?
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