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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 29, 2022 22:34:18 GMT -5
Why was he so over?
Like... obviously he's a legend. He's the biggest star ever.
But in 1999, the evil heel was suddenly the most over guy in the company.
What happened?
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Post by ehead on Sept 29, 2022 23:28:08 GMT -5
Probably Stockholm Syndrome from the Finger of Doom incident.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 30, 2022 6:02:41 GMT -5
I think it was a couple of things.
1. By this point he was calculating his absences to make it appear like he was a signifier of important events happening
2. The fans were sick of the nWo
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 30, 2022 8:26:23 GMT -5
He consistently had the booking keep him over and always in the spotlight, and Goldberg was still a massive star but some of his steam had been taken off post-Nash.
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Post by tafkaga on Sept 30, 2022 10:07:24 GMT -5
I think even before that, fans were beginning to boo Hogan with affection, similar to how they would boo Flair but still do the "Whoo!" when he chopped, or they would cheer/boo the Horsemen based on who they were fighting. Hogan reached that point in '99 where he transcended the face/heel dichotomy, and perhaps they wisely realized people were going to cheer him no matter how despicable he acted, so they just played along with it instead.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Sept 30, 2022 11:43:28 GMT -5
He was always treated like a God in more WWF territories like New York or Canada. The first ever Canadian Nitro was in Toronto in March 1999 and the crowd went crazy for him and it kinda carried over to the following weeks. It completely messed up storylines though because he never got comeuppance for the fingerpoke of doom and come the summer Goldberg looked like an idiot happily tagging with him.
In more traditional WCW towns they could be rougher towards him. Like Sting being wildly cheered when he turned heel on Hogan at Fall Brawl in North Carolina.
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Post by nickcave on Sept 30, 2022 11:44:45 GMT -5
I always thought it was weird he went back to the red and yellow and no one really cared and it lasted all of a couple months
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Post by tafkaga on Sept 30, 2022 11:50:47 GMT -5
I always thought it was weird he went back to the red and yellow and no one really cared and it lasted all of a couple months I think that kind of effed up his babyface turn. Hollywood Hogan had that edge that he needed in '99, and returning to the nostalgic look just made him look like a relic again. Nostalgia Hogan should have stayed where they left him in 1996.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Sept 30, 2022 11:59:56 GMT -5
I know it's late '98 rather than '99 but I watched World War 3 '98 for the first time the other night and the announcers would not stop mentioning the fact Hogan wasn't there, like to the extent that it was actually disruptive to the broadcast as everything of consequence was shadowed by the commentators "and X is happening with Hogan here." Sort of leading from Gizzark's point, he'd picked his spots into seeming like the centre of everything.
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Post by thegame415 on Sept 30, 2022 12:42:53 GMT -5
I think he reached a point in his career where people just didn't want to boo him, kind of like Undertaker over the last decade or so.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 30, 2022 13:14:25 GMT -5
I think he reached a point in his career where people just didn't want to boo him, kind of like Undertaker over the last decade or so. That’ll happen, it did with Cena and arguably guys like Edge and HHH too. Hulk was getting big pops for years until the Bubba tapes started circulating, and then as the notoriety over the tapes rose he was eventually getting booed out of his hometown at Wrestlemania. It took something as damning as that to quell his reactions.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 30, 2022 13:23:53 GMT -5
I think he reached a point in his career where people just didn't want to boo him, kind of like Undertaker over the last decade or so. That’ll happen, it did with Cena and arguably guys like Edge and HHH too. Hulk was getting big pops for years until the Bubba tapes started circulating, and then as the notoriety over the tapes rose he was eventually getting booed out of his hometown at Wrestlemania. It took something as damning as that to quell his reactions. And that pisses me off so f***ing much. Dude apologized. Dude has done so much positive things. But 1 bad moment and he's f***ed over.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 30, 2022 13:28:28 GMT -5
That’ll happen, it did with Cena and arguably guys like Edge and HHH too. Hulk was getting big pops for years until the Bubba tapes started circulating, and then as the notoriety over the tapes rose he was eventually getting booed out of his hometown at Wrestlemania. It took something as damning as that to quell his reactions. And that pisses me off so f***ing much. Dude apologized. Dude has done so much positive things. But 1 bad moment and he's f***ed over. Much of that is because of what Hulkamania meant for many people, sadly. That was shell shocking for their childhoods. It’s a deeper rooted issue that hits emotionally harder than just poking another wrestler in their chest.
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Post by XIII on Sept 30, 2022 16:27:51 GMT -5
WCW fans were ready to vote for the Hulkster for President, brothers.
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Post by XIII on Sept 30, 2022 16:33:59 GMT -5
That’ll happen, it did with Cena and arguably guys like Edge and HHH too. Hulk was getting big pops for years until the Bubba tapes started circulating, and then as the notoriety over the tapes rose he was eventually getting booed out of his hometown at Wrestlemania. It took something as damning as that to quell his reactions. And that pisses me off so f***ing much. Dude apologized. Dude has done so much positive things. But 1 bad moment and he's f***ed over. If he had just came out and owned up to it and apologized immediately it would still be an issue, but a lot of people would have eventually forgave him or at least forgot about it over time, but he tried to weasel his way around it for a while and said things about how he grew up around black people and they used the word as friends all the time and stuff like that. Probably also didn’t help that he made the comment about not wanting Brooke to date a black guy unless he was a 7 foot millionaire basketball player so he came off somehow even worse. Sometimes there has to be repercussions for words, you know?
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 30, 2022 16:41:54 GMT -5
And that pisses me off so f***ing much. Dude apologized. Dude has done so much positive things. But 1 bad moment and he's f***ed over. If he had just came out and owned up to it and apologized immediately it would still be an issue, but a lot of people would have eventually forgave him or at least forgot about it over time, but he tried to weasel his way around it for a while and said things about how he grew up around black people and they used the word as friends all the time and stuff like that. Probably also didn’t help that he made the comment about not wanting Brooke to date a black guy unless he was a 7 foot millionaire basketball player so he came off somehow even worse. Sometimes there has to be repercussions for words, you know? Some people just dont think it was a big deal. What that says about them is for you to decide. Some people make excuses. Like someone here who said it was Brookes fault for wasting Hulks money and thats why he said it.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 30, 2022 16:45:07 GMT -5
That’ll happen, it did with Cena and arguably guys like Edge and HHH too. Hulk was getting big pops for years until the Bubba tapes started circulating, and then as the notoriety over the tapes rose he was eventually getting booed out of his hometown at Wrestlemania. It took something as damning as that to quell his reactions. And that pisses me off so f***ing much. Dude apologized. Dude has done so much positive things. But 1 bad moment and he's f***ed over. Bit more than one bad moment, unfortunately, given he got recorded saying this to Nick Hogan in jail transcripts: “You know that God gave you this vibe and this, this, energy that you and I are going to live forever, bro,” he told Nick. “I just hope we don’t come back as a couple, I don’t want to say it, blizz-ack gizz-uys, you know what I’m saying?” Between this and not wanting black guys to date Brooke, which was honestly more significant than him dropping the N-word in the Bubba tapes, it kind of paints a bleak picture of how the guy feels.
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Post by agent817 on Oct 1, 2022 10:41:33 GMT -5
Then he came back with the red and yellow schtick. Did anybody else feel that it was a little out of place at that time? I didn't mind it, but I think it worked a tad better in 2000s WWE, particularly the years of 2002-2003. Hell, you could also say the same about his 2005 run.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Oct 1, 2022 13:12:42 GMT -5
That’ll happen, it did with Cena and arguably guys like Edge and HHH too. Hulk was getting big pops for years until the Bubba tapes started circulating, and then as the notoriety over the tapes rose he was eventually getting booed out of his hometown at Wrestlemania. It took something as damning as that to quell his reactions. And that pisses me off so f***ing much. Dude apologized. Dude has done so much positive things. But 1 bad moment and he's f***ed over. ya got an infantile parasocial relationship with the Hulkster if him being less over because he's racist is what pisses you off, brother
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 1, 2022 13:36:33 GMT -5
And that pisses me off so f***ing much. Dude apologized. Dude has done so much positive things. But 1 bad moment and he's f***ed over. ya got an infantile parasocial relationship with the Hulkster if him being less over because he's racist is what pisses you off, brother He's not racist.
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