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Post by WoodStoner1 on Oct 12, 2022 15:01:48 GMT -5
At least Mickie got to win in the end. Not really. She won at the Rumble in quick, decisive fashion but lost it back to McCool a month later on SD. Then she got hurt and randomly went to Raw before being fired some time later. In the end, she won once and lost/looked stupid a bunch of times Ah but the PPV is what counts, LOL... Also. Still better off than Molly. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 12, 2022 15:02:42 GMT -5
I'm a little confused by the "it's just TV" take, mainly since art and media absolutely does have an effect on the world around us. Doesn't mean you have to take full offense to any kind of depiction, but saying "it's just TV" or whatever seems to minimize that media is both formed by and in turn shapes the world around us, a lot of our perceptions, can reinforce social biases, etc.
I know a lot of us are prefacing with this, but for those of us from pretty safe communities (e.g. heya, white/straight/cis dude here) yeah, I get not being personally offended by much since you can't really weaponize, say, my race/ethnicity/sexuality against me; since none of that stuff can really negatively impact my life, it all rolls off my back. But there's a gap between saying that for oneself and saying it more broadly, as media depictions absolutely can and do have an impact on a *lot* of people's lives and how they're treated out in meat-space.
Apologies if I'm misreading some of the posts here, but a few just seem to have that kind of dismissive "eh, it's TV, it's not important" take as if we can't dig up study after study showing correlations between media depictions of different kinds of people or scenarios and real world implications involving them.
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Post by Rubix Cube Johnny on Oct 12, 2022 15:09:16 GMT -5
It's an interesting question when you factor in the "personal" part.
Never really.
As someone in the 18-34 straight, white, male demographic, I've been pretty much bulletproof of WWE's offensive material since the Attitude era.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 12, 2022 15:19:38 GMT -5
I'm a little confused by the "it's just TV" take, mainly since art and media absolutely does have an effect on the world around us. Doesn't mean you have to take full offense to any kind of depiction, but saying "it's just TV" or whatever seems to minimize that media is both formed by and in turn shapes the world around us, a lot of our perceptions, can reinforce social biases, etc. I know a lot of us are prefacing with this, but for those of us from pretty safe communities (e.g. heya, white/straight/cis dude here) yeah, I get not being personally offended by much since you can't really weaponize, say, my race/ethnicity/sexuality against me; since none of that stuff can really negatively impact my life, it all rolls off my back. But there's a gap between saying that for oneself and saying it more broadly, as media depictions absolutely can and do have an impact on a *lot* of people's lives and how they're treated out in meat-space. Apologies if I'm misreading some of the posts here, but a few just seem to have that kind of dismissive "eh, it's TV, it's not important" take as if we can't dig up study after study showing correlations between media depictions of different kinds of people or scenarios and real world implications involving them. As a queer person but also a white male I was taking most of them in good faith that they knew it was easier for them than it was for others. I honestly can't remember when WWE offended me. So much of it has become unwatchable to me now since I starting reading things like feminist literature that I cannot remember what offended me at the time. Highlighting WWE as if it was especially homophobic in the late 90s is futile for me. I was at school. If WWE had been completely queer positive it would be the vast minority compared to my friends, my self, bullying, most other media... if anything WWE actually had less material relating to homophobia than a lot of other stuff I consumed at the time. I should note that I mean specifically homophobia, not every other -ism. Even when I was older and more aware of my queerness, by 2006 the homophobic DX shit was 1. Dismally unfunny to me more than anything else 2. Only about the twentieth gayest thing DX has done. They are one of the gayest stables ever, obsessed with everybody's dicks. It felt comically hypocritical more than anything. For women, on the other hand? It is real hard to go back and watch any segments involving any female performers now. I will say that I hated the Eugene character with a passion but when I first saw One Night Stand 2006, I think I was offended by his segment. I had hated his stupid appearance but the pop his treatment by Sandman got disgusted me. I was recently diagnosed autistic at the time. |
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Post by champchumpchange on Oct 12, 2022 15:21:03 GMT -5
Naming a PPV Great Balls of Fire
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Post by canceled4truth on Oct 12, 2022 19:07:15 GMT -5
The way that New Day won their first tag team titles in Baltimore in 2015. Read the room WWE. Refresh my memory? On that topic, if the "cutesy" hidden message in the Hurt Business' members' names is intentional...Wait, what's this one about? |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Oct 12, 2022 19:21:01 GMT -5
Refresh my memory? On that topic, if the "cutesy" hidden message in the Hurt Business' members' names is intentional...Wait, what's this one about? Someone here I think pointed out that the HB, a faction of heel POC, were: Shelton "B"enjamin, Bobby "L"ashley, and "M"VP. |
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Post by canceled4truth on Oct 12, 2022 19:24:40 GMT -5
Wait, what's this one about? Someone here I think pointed out that the HB, a faction of heel POC, were: Shelton "B"enjamin, Bobby "L"ashley, and "M"VP. ....so, where does Cedric Alexander fit into this?  |
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Oct 12, 2022 19:29:31 GMT -5
Nothing’s ever offended me personally but this quote always makes my jaw drop, when Ivory was asked if she’d be in NYC for Muhammad Hassan’s debut:
“I won’t be flying there, if you know what I mean.”
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Oct 12, 2022 20:01:34 GMT -5
Honestly, never. Then again, I don't let other people's words and actions affect my emotions in general. There's been times where I thought "Yikes" but I never thought "I'm so offended! I'm never watching again!" Infact, repetitive booking and boring shows are more likely to make me stop watching than an "offensive" joke or storyline like Katie Vick or Vince vs God. I'd agree with you entirely. I think a lot of that is due to me being a white, straight, male though. Sort of right in their target audience. I've had similar "yikes" thoughts and I understand how much of their stuff was in bad taste or outright offensive to certain groups of people but on a personal level it's never hit me the same way because a lot of the offensive stuff I can't really identify with. Basically I'm in support of people who have felt offended and I'd stand with you but on a personal level I've never been the victim of the offensive stuff they've done. I appreciate the hell out of this post. Thank you. I admire people who can look outside of the scope of things and see them from different points of view aside from their own life experience. If I weren't a gay man (well gay teen when it happened) the Goldust/Lawler thing wouldn't have bothered me at all probably. I'm a little confused by the "it's just TV" take, mainly since art and media absolutely does have an effect on the world around us. Doesn't mean you have to take full offense to any kind of depiction, but saying "it's just TV" or whatever seems to minimize that media is both formed by and in turn shapes the world around us, a lot of our perceptions, can reinforce social biases, etc. I know a lot of us are prefacing with this, but for those of us from pretty safe communities (e.g. heya, white/straight/cis dude here) yeah, I get not being personally offended by much since you can't really weaponize, say, my race/ethnicity/sexuality against me; since none of that stuff can really negatively impact my life, it all rolls off my back. But there's a gap between saying that for oneself and saying it more broadly, as media depictions absolutely can and do have an impact on a *lot* of people's lives and how they're treated out in meat-space. Apologies if I'm misreading some of the posts here, but a few just seem to have that kind of dismissive "eh, it's TV, it's not important" take as if we can't dig up study after study showing correlations between media depictions of different kinds of people or scenarios and real world implications involving them. And I also appreciate this post, and I was thinking the same thing. It's easy to not get bothered when 95% of all media is written by and caters to that particular demographic (white, straight, cis), and marginalizing "lesser than" groups isn't an issue since the media is made for you, not them. Seeing an entire crowd cheer that Goldust wasn't gay was hard for me to wrap my teenage mind around. Why was that a good thing? What's wrong with me then? Something you don't have to even give a second thought to if you weren't born this way. |
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Post by tirtefaa on Oct 12, 2022 20:20:06 GMT -5
I'm usually more embarrassed than offended.
I can't tell you how many times when WWE were doing something stupid, where I had other people present who didn't watch the product. One family pretty much stopped letting their kids come over to our house when I was a kid.
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Post by sportatorium on Oct 13, 2022 0:00:46 GMT -5
They've had some offensive stuff over the years, but I found it troublesome and offensive when Vince was making regular TV appearances after the allegations came out. He knew that the audience was going to give him pops and it felt like he was going out of his way to say that he isn't accountable for anything he does.
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Post by bob on Oct 13, 2022 4:55:30 GMT -5
Katie Vick, Eugene, Hassan
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Post by papagiorgio on Oct 13, 2022 5:43:28 GMT -5
Some of the weird gimmick changes of previously established stars bugged me like Iron Shiek becoming Col. Mustafa and Dustin Rhodes becoming Goldust. It was kind of insulting to me that they thought I could forget a former world champ or Dusty's son. I didn't like Goldust at first, but once they toned him down, he was a much better character.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Oct 13, 2022 5:55:14 GMT -5
Women attacking men they know will not fight back. It is incredibly abusive in real life.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 13, 2022 6:22:09 GMT -5
I'm a little confused by the "it's just TV" take, mainly since art and media absolutely does have an effect on the world around us. Doesn't mean you have to take full offense to any kind of depiction, but saying "it's just TV" or whatever seems to minimize that media is both formed by and in turn shapes the world around us, a lot of our perceptions, can reinforce social biases, etc. I know a lot of us are prefacing with this, but for those of us from pretty safe communities (e.g. heya, white/straight/cis dude here) yeah, I get not being personally offended by much since you can't really weaponize, say, my race/ethnicity/sexuality against me; since none of that stuff can really negatively impact my life, it all rolls off my back. But there's a gap between saying that for oneself and saying it more broadly, as media depictions absolutely can and do have an impact on a *lot* of people's lives and how they're treated out in meat-space. Apologies if I'm misreading some of the posts here, but a few just seem to have that kind of dismissive "eh, it's TV, it's not important" take as if we can't dig up study after study showing correlations between media depictions of different kinds of people or scenarios and real world implications involving them. I grew in predominantly black areas of my home town. My ex wife, who I'm on good terms with is black, my child is bi- racial. I say all that to say that the closest I've come to "offended" is a few depictions of race. But I rarely get offended by art. I just... it's art. It's there to entertain. But I rarely think about it, as a "life changing" thing. I've got favorite books. Movies, shows. Songs etc. But they're just entertainment. They don't Matter at the end of the day. Not like relationships with your friends, family, sex partners. Idk. I'm wired differently I guess. |
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Post by booman on Oct 13, 2022 6:41:40 GMT -5
As a black man, hearing HHH tell Booker, "people like you..."
Crime Tyme should had, but strangly enough just didn't.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Oct 13, 2022 6:42:08 GMT -5
I'm a woman, so I'd have to try to narrow it down to a top 10 You mean women calling each other sluts and ripping their clothes off isn’t empowering!? |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Oct 13, 2022 6:53:35 GMT -5
Some of the weird gimmick changes of previously established stars bugged me like Iron Shiek becoming Col. Mustafa and Dustin Rhodes becoming Goldust. It was kind of insulting to me that they thought I could forget a former world champ or Dusty's son. I didn't like Goldust at first, but once they toned him down, he was a much better character. TBF, they did say he was the Sheik time to time. |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Oct 13, 2022 6:55:40 GMT -5
Someone here I think pointed out that the HB, a faction of heel POC, were: Shelton "B"enjamin, Bobby "L"ashley, and "M"VP. ....so, where does Cedric Alexander fit into this? When they turn face and boot Benjamin. Cause we all know changing "B" to "A" makes it better ;-) |
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