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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 19, 2022 10:36:56 GMT -5
O'Haire had *almost* everything you'd want in a megastar. Pretty much. I do remember Lance Storm saying Sean was his own worst enemy and would do shit like get into fights with random people at bars and get into legal trouble, etc, and just demonstrate an unfortunate lack of discipline and self-control, that it was one of the major reasons other people would get picked over him. Guy was wrestling's Ezra Miller, his impulse control seemed non existent.
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Post by canceled4truth on Oct 19, 2022 11:18:16 GMT -5
On the subject of Matt Morgan and Jim Cornette another guy that Jim talked up as a can't miss prospect was Doug Basham. I'll also add Lance Cade and Mark Jindrak. Cade looked like a star, had support from guys like Edge and looked like he was getting pegged for big things when he was paired with Jericho in 08. He just never seemed to find his groove and i think drug issues did him in. He was brought back in 2009 but was released shortly afterwards. He passed away the following year. Mark Jindrak like Cade had the look of a star, big athletic guy, looked like he was set for big things being paired with Kurt Angle but again never found his groove. I might be wrong but i read he was friends with Randy Orton and was fired because they either thought he was a bad influence or a distraction as he was seen as Ortons party buddy. He went on to have a decent career in Mexico. Cornette loved Basham cause he was trained in OVW. Though I think Corny overrated how great of a look he had. But yeah OVW had so many guys during the early to mid 2000s that were hyped up as huge stars but they just couldn't transition to the main roster. I actually remember the Basham being guys that WWE wasn't high on but decided they may as well give a chance to since they were getting pushed in developmental. Strangely/ironically enough I think around this time Al Snow was the head of developmental and in Nova's shoot he talked about how much Triple H said that was a mistake Apologies if this violates the rules on Corny, but I had a good belly laugh once when on his podcast, he was bitching about the likes of Gargano and Hangman getting pushed today but not REAL talents like, I shit you not, the Bashams, Johnny Jeter and Mike Mondo
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Post by Main Eventer on Oct 19, 2022 11:24:01 GMT -5
First person I thought of was Mr. Kennedy.
Even though he is a former TNA champion, he was supposed to be one of the next mega stars in WWE and Vince McMahon's son leading to a tag match at Wrestlemania for control of the company.
However due to bad luck and stupidity he never made it as big as people thought he would, and in my opinion without the WWE machine behind him his weaknesses showed and was never able to reach the heights many people expected from him.
Kennedy
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Oct 19, 2022 11:36:38 GMT -5
Cornette loved Basham cause he was trained in OVW. Though I think Corny overrated how great of a look he had. But yeah OVW had so many guys during the early to mid 2000s that were hyped up as huge stars but they just couldn't transition to the main roster. I actually remember the Basham being guys that WWE wasn't high on but decided they may as well give a chance to since they were getting pushed in developmental. Strangely/ironically enough I think around this time Al Snow was the head of developmental and in Nova's shoot he talked about how much Triple H said that was a mistake Apologies if this violates the rules on Corny, but I had a good belly laugh once when on his podcast, he was bitching about the likes of Gargano and Hangman getting pushed today but not REAL talents like, I shit you not, the Bashams, Johnny Jeter and Mike Mondo I cannot get over this thing where 21 years of consistent movement in specific directions throughout the entire wrestling industry is regarded as an aberration, and that the clock would be wound back if only every single promoter in the entire world stopped being stupid, because obviously every single one of them has failed to make pragmatic business decisions for TWENTY. ONE. YEARS.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 19, 2022 12:37:17 GMT -5
Apologies if this violates the rules on Corny, but I had a good belly laugh once when on his podcast, he was bitching about the likes of Gargano and Hangman getting pushed today but not REAL talents like, I shit you not, the Bashams, Johnny Jeter and Mike Mondo I cannot get over this thing where 21 years of consistent movement in specific directions throughout the entire wrestling industry is regarded as an aberration, and that the clock would be wound back if only every single promoter in the entire world stopped being stupid, because obviously every single one of them has failed to make pragmatic business decisions for TWENTY. ONE. YEARS. Jim Cornette: nobody likes comedy wrestling. Also Jim Cornette: man I like Mikey Mondo...
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 19, 2022 13:19:06 GMT -5
Cornette loved Basham cause he was trained in OVW. Though I think Corny overrated how great of a look he had. But yeah OVW had so many guys during the early to mid 2000s that were hyped up as huge stars but they just couldn't transition to the main roster. I actually remember the Basham being guys that WWE wasn't high on but decided they may as well give a chance to since they were getting pushed in developmental. Strangely/ironically enough I think around this time Al Snow was the head of developmental and in Nova's shoot he talked about how much Triple H said that was a mistake Apologies if this violates the rules on Corny, but I had a good belly laugh once when on his podcast, he was bitching about the likes of Gargano and Hangman getting pushed today but not REAL talents like, I shit you not, the Bashams, Johnny Jeter and Mike Mondo I do agree with him that Johnny Jeter kind of got screwed. Allegedly his experience dealing with WWE just burned him out and he had enough with wrestling. The rest? Limited ceiling for sure.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Oct 19, 2022 14:17:57 GMT -5
I can’t really speak to any of Cornette’s picks because I never saw them in OVW, only on the main roster. I didn’t see anything in them there, but I didn’t see anything in Terra Ryzin in WCW or “The Blue Chipper” Rocky Maivia, either. I thought Chris Jericho was good in SMW, but I would have never thought he’d go on to have the career that he has.
There’s more, and I’m not saying that any of those guys Jim loved could have been main event players, but I can’t immediately dismiss it either, because I haven’t seen everything.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 19, 2022 14:25:48 GMT -5
I feel like almost everyone who got a callup from OVW during the Ruthless Aggression era ended up qualifying. Such a total land fill of dead careers.
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 19, 2022 15:00:43 GMT -5
Reckless Youth. Wasn't he like one of the first Internet darlings?
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Post by canceled4truth on Oct 19, 2022 15:52:33 GMT -5
Back to answering the OP: I feel like David Otunga fits the bill. Not counting Bryan, he was always the most hyped up of the Nexus behind Wade, and he had a good look/resume/promo skill. Wild he never really amounted to much.
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Post by Marvelous1LUFC on Oct 19, 2022 16:29:12 GMT -5
Im surprised Rene Dupree hasn't been mentioned, i know he's still about, but he had so much potential to be a big star
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 20, 2022 1:30:21 GMT -5
Im surprised Rene Dupree hasn't been mentioned, i know he's still about, but he had so much potential to be a big star I legit thought he'd be a big star. I remember thinking he'd be the perfect heel to battle guys like Orton and Cena when they're on top. Shame it never happened. Anyone kno why?
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Post by Clawley Race on Oct 20, 2022 1:57:03 GMT -5
Just turned on Halloween Havoc '00 and the opener has the several times mentioned Jindrak and OHaire. Also in the match...
How about Alex Wright?
EDIT: More HH2000...Sean Stasiak?
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Post by chazraps on Oct 20, 2022 2:45:11 GMT -5
Let's not drag the Bashams and Mike Mondo just because Cornette uses them for his whataboutism.
Seen a lot of all their work and the Bashams were definitely a missed prospect as two singles stars. Their OVW work was really good, and I think being brought up as twins tainted the perception to not see them as anything more than a pretty-good-to-good tag team. Parts were greater than the sum, but the "twins" is a hard image to shake.
And Mike Mondo was one of the brightspots of 2012 ROH that, outside of Steen and SCUM, largely smelled funny. Revisit his match that summer with Steen and they absolutely set the house on fire.
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Post by DSR on Oct 20, 2022 3:05:09 GMT -5
And Mike Mondo was one of the brightspots of 2012 ROH that, outside of Steen and SCUM, largely smelled funny. Revisit his match that summer with Steen and they absolutely set the house on fire. Not to derail the topic too much, but I'd add the break-up of Future Shock and the rise of babyface Adam Cole to the TV Title level to that 2012 ROH brightspots list.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Oct 20, 2022 3:05:32 GMT -5
Im surprised Rene Dupree hasn't been mentioned, i know he's still about, but he had so much potential to be a big star I legit thought he'd be a big star. I remember thinking he'd be the perfect heel to battle guys like Orton and Cena when they're on top. Shame it never happened. Anyone kno why? Drugs, and being a frequent target of bullying from the "locker room leaders".
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 20, 2022 3:07:37 GMT -5
Let's not drag the Bashams and Mike Mondo just because Cornette uses them for his whataboutism. Seen a lot of all their work and the Bashams were definitely a missed prospect as two singles stars. Their OVW work was really good, and I think being brought up as twins tainted the perception to not see them as anything more than a pretty-good-to-good tag team. Parts were greater than the sum, but the "twins" is a hard image to shake. And Mike Mondo was one of the brightspots of 2012 ROH that, outside of Steen and SCUM, largely smelled funny. Revisit his match that summer with Steen and they absolutely set the house on fire. With guys like the Bashams, they were treated by management as warm bodies to fill out the undercard, and surprise, surprise, that's all they ever amounted to in the WWE. They weren't like guys like Ted Jr, who were given ample opportunity to show something, anything, but didn't, they were given nothing so achieved nothing and are remembered as nothing.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 20, 2022 3:09:16 GMT -5
Let's not drag the Bashams and Mike Mondo just because Cornette uses them for his whataboutism. Seen a lot of all their work and the Bashams were definitely a missed prospect as two singles stars. Their OVW work was really good, and I think being brought up as twins tainted the perception to not see them as anything more than a pretty-good-to-good tag team. Parts were greater than the sum, but the "twins" is a hard image to shake. And Mike Mondo was one of the brightspots of 2012 ROH that, outside of Steen and SCUM, largely smelled funny. Revisit his match that summer with Steen and they absolutely set the house on fire. IDK I think they reached their full potential. Bashams were solid workers but were really lacking in charisma. They didn't have "IT". They both screamed regional territory champion. Tag Team specialists who win the titles a few times was going to be their ceiling and they reached that. They didn't have a bad run at all. Mondo had a lot of personality but was very undersized and while good in the ring it wasn't like he was Eddie Guerrero by means either. Other then Mitch he had probably the least potential of the Spirit Squad.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 20, 2022 4:14:51 GMT -5
'Okay OVW trainee, we're going to call you Baz Chazwaladr and that guy Chaz Bazwaladr and make him your brother because you'll look similar enough once you wear the same tights and get the same haircut, also we're going to give you a gimmick that makes a 65 year old chuckle. No, you're not getting any meaningful amount of time to develop chemistry and figure out how to make the gimmick work in front of live crowds, good luck getting it over, also don't get too over! By the way you'll be working a two minute handicap match against Undertaker in three weeks to further a feud you're not part of and you may be tormented by Bradshaw and buried to management if you break any of the three hundred unwritten rules he's put in place. Have fun!'
'This guy sucked, no wonder he never got over.'
Feels a bit unfair to write off people who were set up to fail, ignoring the circumstances they faced. I could understand it if they underperformed when given big roles out the gate like say, Ted Jr or Joe Hennig, but Basham #2 was never going to get a chance to shine on the big stage. If you treat someone as a placeholder, that's what they'll be seen as.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 20, 2022 6:37:20 GMT -5
I legit thought he'd be a big star. I remember thinking he'd be the perfect heel to battle guys like Orton and Cena when they're on top. Shame it never happened. Anyone kno why? Drugs, and being a frequent target of bullying from the "locker room leaders". Maturity was also supposed to be an issue. Supposedly Rene was the reason they stopped hiring anyone under a certain age for awhile.
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