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Post by Lance Uppercut on Nov 11, 2022 23:46:03 GMT -5
not because they were bad or anything, but for storyline purposes, it hurts the show because they're still there. Usually because the people in charge like the actor.
I was listening to the Office Ladies podcast and it made me think about how they wrote off characters because their characters no longer served a purpose on the show and they didn't want them to linger and have to shoe horn reasons for them to still be in their world. Also I saw a clip where they ran into Jan in the later seasons without Michael and Pam had to explain to the audience who she was because she was off the show for like 3 or 4 years.
Then I watched an episode of Community last night while I was going to sleep and I saw Chang. And I thought, damn that guy should really have lefter after season 1 when it was exposed that he wasn't a teacher. And especially after season 3 where he tried to overthrow the school.
I can also think of Scrubs where Dr. Kelso finally retired. But then he kept just hanging around the hospital drinking coffee giving out one liners and advice. Or when they killed off Laverne for some reason, and then immediately brought back the actress as her doppelganger. I think they thought they were being cancelled that year or something.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 11, 2022 23:58:23 GMT -5
I hate Lucy. The real star was Fred. They should've killed off Ethel and Lucy and that illegal alien. They should've made Fred a single guy and called it "Mertz's World”.
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Post by CMWaters on Nov 12, 2022 0:02:00 GMT -5
I have a feeling in a year or so we'll be saying Ash on Pokemon, especially after the most recent episode.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Nov 12, 2022 0:15:20 GMT -5
Naruto-
Chouji and Ino should have been killed off during the Hidan and Kakuzu arc trying to take down the villains, just to help hammer in the revenge is pointless aesop the series ran with.
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Post by dav on Nov 12, 2022 5:43:01 GMT -5
Would anyone have missed Neelix if they got rid of him from Voyager at any point?
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Post by schma on Nov 12, 2022 6:00:22 GMT -5
not because they were bad or anything, but for storyline purposes, it hurts the show because they're still there. Usually because the people in charge like the actor. I was listening to the Office Ladies podcast and it made me think about how they wrote off characters because their characters no longer served a purpose on the show and they didn't want them to linger and have to shoe horn reasons for them to still be in their world. Also I saw a clip where they ran into Jan in the later seasons without Michael and Pam had to explain to the audience who she was because she was off the show for like 3 or 4 years. Then I watched an episode of Community last night while I was going to sleep and I saw Chang. And I thought, damn that guy should really have lefter after season 1 when it was exposed that he wasn't a teacher. And especially after season 3 where he tried to overthrow the school. I can also think of Scrubs where Dr. Kelso finally retired. But then he kept just hanging around the hospital drinking coffee giving out one liners and advice. Or when they killed off Laverne for some reason, and then immediately brought back the actress as her doppelganger. I think they thought they were being cancelled that year or something. Chang was a huge one. I could see using him in maybe season 2 but he really wore out his welcome. I think the show would have been better without him past season 1.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Nov 12, 2022 7:45:41 GMT -5
not because they were bad or anything, but for storyline purposes, it hurts the show because they're still there. Usually because the people in charge like the actor. I was listening to the Office Ladies podcast and it made me think about how they wrote off characters because their characters no longer served a purpose on the show and they didn't want them to linger and have to shoe horn reasons for them to still be in their world. Also I saw a clip where they ran into Jan in the later seasons without Michael and Pam had to explain to the audience who she was because she was off the show for like 3 or 4 years. Then I watched an episode of Community last night while I was going to sleep and I saw Chang. And I thought, damn that guy should really have lefter after season 1 when it was exposed that he wasn't a teacher. And especially after season 3 where he tried to overthrow the school. I can also think of Scrubs where Dr. Kelso finally retired. But then he kept just hanging around the hospital drinking coffee giving out one liners and advice. Or when they killed off Laverne for some reason, and then immediately brought back the actress as her doppelganger. I think they thought they were being cancelled that year or something. Chang was a huge one. I could see using him in maybe season 2 but he really wore out his welcome. I think the show would have been better without him past season 1. Chang had to be a case of wanting one of the stars of the Hangover on your show to bring attention. As long as he kept doing the movies they were chasing the exposure just like Vince did. Probably the inspiration for the episode in season 6. Kelso I didnt mind. He was funny as give no effs retired Kelso. And it added more dimension to his character being free of the responsibilities that made him a jerk. Laverne was killed because they thought they were cancelled and wanted a compelling death. Then they were renewed and wanted to keep the actress. With all the flanderization and wackiness of the later seasons it fit the tone at least.
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Post by CMWaters on Nov 12, 2022 10:29:01 GMT -5
Would anyone have missed Neelix if they got rid of him from Voyager at any point? Interesting that you mention that show because when they were going to intro Seven of Nine, originally it was reported that Harry Kim was the one on the chopping block. He was only saved because his actor, Garrett Wang, was in a magazine as one of Hollywood's most beautiful people.
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Post by Main Eventer on Nov 12, 2022 11:32:37 GMT -5
Even though I love the character and his spin-off show is one of my favorite shows ever, it made no sense why Frasier would hang out in the bar owned by the person who his ex fiancee left him for.
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Post by tirtefaa on Nov 12, 2022 13:33:20 GMT -5
Would anyone have missed Neelix if they got rid of him from Voyager at any point? Interesting that you mention that show because when they were going to intro Seven of Nine, originally it was reported that Harry Kim was the one on the chopping block. He was only saved because his actor, Garrett Wang, was in a magazine as one of Hollywood's most beautiful people. You could have written off Harry, Chakotay and Neelix, and no one would have likely complained. Neelix was annoying and multiple times almost gets someone killed, and in some cases IS responsible for someone's death. His insistence on being given opportunities after failing multiple times just really makes you despise him. Chakotay was hilariously underutilized despite supposedly being the second lead. There was an episode where it begins with Chakotay leading a mutiny against Janeway, which would have been a great development, but alas it was only a holodeck program. And then there's Harry..what a complete and utter joke. It got to the point where I would laugh whenever something bad happened to Harry, he was such a loser I wanted him to die. I would have loved if the writers killed him off in the Endgame in some bizarre fashion, like Naomi Wildman accidentally launching him out an escape hatch or something. You'd think they'd learned their lesson after Voyager, but then in Enterprise, half the cast was underutilized, with Reed and Travis especially being completely forgettable. There were guest starts who got more dialogue than Travis got throughout the entire series.
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Post by CMWaters on Nov 12, 2022 13:42:07 GMT -5
Interesting that you mention that show because when they were going to intro Seven of Nine, originally it was reported that Harry Kim was the one on the chopping block. He was only saved because his actor, Garrett Wang, was in a magazine as one of Hollywood's most beautiful people. You could have written off Harry, Chakotay and Neelix, and no one would have likely complained. Neelix was annoying and multiple times almost gets someone killed, and in some cases IS responsible for someone's death. His insistence on being given opportunities after failing multiple times just really makes you despise him. Chakotay was hilariously underutilized despite supposedly being the second lead. There was an episode where it begins with Chakotay leading a mutiny against Janeway, which would have been a great development, but alas it was only a holodeck program. And then there's Harry..what a complete and utter joke. It got to the point where I would laugh whenever something bad happened to Harry, he was such a loser I wanted him to die. I would have loved if the writers killed him off in the Endgame in some bizarre fashion, like Naomi Wildman accidentally launching him out an escape hatch or something. You'd think they'd learned their lesson after Voyager, but then in Enterprise, half the cast was underutilized, with Reed and Travis especially being completely forgettable. There were guest starts who got more dialogue than Travis got throughout the entire series. At least Chakotay is getting somewhat of a second chance on Prodigy from what I've heard.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Nov 12, 2022 13:43:45 GMT -5
Interesting that you mention that show because when they were going to intro Seven of Nine, originally it was reported that Harry Kim was the one on the chopping block. He was only saved because his actor, Garrett Wang, was in a magazine as one of Hollywood's most beautiful people. You could have written off Harry, Chakotay and Neelix, and no one would have likely complained. Neelix was annoying and multiple times almost gets someone killed, and in some cases IS responsible for someone's death. His insistence on being given opportunities after failing multiple times just really makes you despise him. Chakotay was hilariously underutilized despite supposedly being the second lead. There was an episode where it begins with Chakotay leading a mutiny against Janeway, which would have been a great development, but alas it was only a holodeck program. And then there's Harry..what a complete and utter joke. It got to the point where I would laugh whenever something bad happened to Harry, he was such a loser I wanted him to die. I would have loved if the writers killed him off in the Endgame in some bizarre fashion, like Naomi Wildman accidentally launching him out an escape hatch or something. You'd think they'd learned their lesson after Voyager, but then in Enterprise, half the cast was underutilized, with Reed and Travis especially being completely forgettable. There were guest starts who got more dialogue than Travis got throughout the entire series. Robert Beltran only signed on for the show to work with Janeways original actress. After she quit he wanted out but they refused to let him go. He even demanded a massive raise at one point and they just gave it to him. His work on the series is the definition of quiet quitting though. He just went through the motions and did as little as possible.
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Post by karl100589 on Nov 12, 2022 14:59:53 GMT -5
I found Ann kinda redundant in Parks once the pit was filled. They came up with some flimsy stories to keep her involved (dating Mark, the fauxmance with Tom etc). That being said, her being the straight man was needed as the cast started getting wackier.
Andy had this too to an extent, but the combo of working for the department and April helped him blend in.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2022 15:21:51 GMT -5
Naruto- Chouji and Ino should have been killed off during the Hidan and Kakuzu arc trying to take down the villains, just to help hammer in the revenge is pointless aesop the series ran with. I would say Hinata and Kakashi during the Pain arc She got directly attacked by Pain and should have died and Kakashi was essentially dead talking to his further. Having Pain bring them back to life was a cop out Killing off Neji was purely to strengthen the Naruto/Hinata dynamic and if they wanted the war to have some real stakes they could have got rid of a few more in his class
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Post by chrom on Nov 12, 2022 15:26:12 GMT -5
Naruto- Chouji and Ino should have been killed off during the Hidan and Kakuzu arc trying to take down the villains, just to help hammer in the revenge is pointless aesop the series ran with. I would say Hinata and Kakashi during the Pain arc She got directly attacked by Pain and should have died and Kakashi was essentially dead talking to his further. Having Pain bring them back to life was a cop out Killing off Neji was purely to strengthen the Naruto/Hinata dynamic and if they wanted the war to have some real stakes they could have got rid of a few more in his class They got rid of Team 8 nobody would have noticed.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2022 15:27:44 GMT -5
Daryl I felt was perfect for the Negan reveal
I always thought they would kill off more than one character to really put him over strong and taking out Ricks second in command along with Glenn would been way to sell it big. Just in general the Daryl character is invincible and I get why he wasn't killed due to popularity but his character basically took away parts for all Rick second in command in the comics (Tyrese, Abe)
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 12, 2022 15:35:27 GMT -5
I would say Hinata and Kakashi during the Pain arc She got directly attacked by Pain and should have died and Kakashi was essentially dead talking to his further. Having Pain bring them back to life was a cop out Killing off Neji was purely to strengthen the Naruto/Hinata dynamic and if they wanted the war to have some real stakes they could have got rid of a few more in his class They got rid of Team 8 nobody would have noticed. Yeah, I am sort of surprised they didn't kill Kiba or Shino in the war A lot of the characters really just became background noise once the 2nd part started
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Nov 12, 2022 15:35:34 GMT -5
Weeds - the show dropped off quickly after a couple of seasons.. But the characters played by Kevin Nealon and Elizabeth Perkins stuck around too long and were unnecessary to the main plot once the family moved out of suburbs.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Nov 12, 2022 16:17:50 GMT -5
Also Minoru Mineta should have been expelled from UA way before MHA began wrapping up.
He's ugly, his power sucks, and the kid is a walking #MeToo waiting to happen. If MHA took place in America, he'd be expelled on on a registry by this point in the story.
TLDR: F*** you Mineta, you grape-haired little s***stain!
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Post by Mike Strike on Nov 12, 2022 16:29:03 GMT -5
I have a feeling in a year or so we'll be saying Ash on Pokemon, especially after the most recent episode. I've been saying it for decades. The games & manga change protagonists every gen while the anime stuck with 1 guy, demanding the audience commit to 3 years of constant filler just to see him lose yet again.
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