tirtefaa
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Post by tirtefaa on Jan 11, 2023 13:39:10 GMT -5
I haven't really watched much in years, but I doubt some other company will fill that void.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jan 11, 2023 14:02:12 GMT -5
For me, it’ll likely be the same attitude I take with sports: support the team, not the regime. I’ll always be a 49ers fan even though I can’t stand Jed York (the A’s are a similar situation, though that may change if they move as rumored). Probably will be similar here .
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Jan 11, 2023 15:08:05 GMT -5
I only came back regularly when HHH took over, so yeah I’m out. I’m usually busy on Mondays and fridays anyways so it will be an easy transition. Not even just for the Saudi part, Vince is going to take back over everything with his garbage booking and having everyone scared all the time. It’s just a depressing slog for everyone but Vince Pretty much how it's going to be with me too, I wasn't watching it but following along elsewhere, and I can't imagine I'm going to keep doing that. Not just because of selling to the Saudi regime but also because of all the associated Vince bullshittery coming back. And there's nothing a lot of people can do about that besides leave. I'm not even going to threaten to cancel my Peacock account or anything because I don't even pay for it and don't use it.
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 11, 2023 15:08:31 GMT -5
I mean if it's true there's a chance there's no tv deal in america.. :-O
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Post by Mecca on Jan 11, 2023 15:12:12 GMT -5
I mean if it's true there's a chance there's no tv deal in america.. :-O I guess that would make it Tony Khans world.
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Post by Big BosskMan on Jan 11, 2023 16:26:54 GMT -5
I've only been following NXT casually, like VOD 2-3 days after it airs if I remember to look for it. so I've already kinda cut WWE out.
Which is kind of a bummer, as my first wrestling memory was watching Atlas/Johnson fight the Wild Samoans in the WWWF.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 11, 2023 16:36:48 GMT -5
I gave up on ever buying a new SNK game again, a company whose fighting games I absolutely adored (and still do!) because they became some 96% or so owned by the Saudi investment fund (though I guess there's always the loophole of buying used, but even then you'd still have to buy DLC fighters from the source). I already quit watching WWE regularly due to a combination of Vince's awful creative and proudly continuing the Saudi shows after their thugs murdered an American journalist. While I have been watching some WWE again since Triple H took over, if the nightmare scenario ends up happening, I can say I have no problems cutting off WWE again like it's a gangrenous limb.
Yes, the Saudis have a lot of fingers in different businesses. No ethical consumption in capitalism and all that. But there's a huge difference between "they have a small investment in this or that company" and "they own a majority of shares or wholly own the company outright."
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 12, 2023 8:19:33 GMT -5
I don't know.
I've been watching WWF/WWE since I was 10. I'm 46 now. I been there for Rock n' Wrestling, The New Generation, The Attitude Era, Ruthless Aggression through today. I've seen the highest highs and the lowest lows. And I know what a shitty business pro wrestling is and what a shitty person Vince is but even at its worst I've never seriously considered quitting. Until now.
After Jamal Khashoggi was murdered I haven't watched any of the Saudi shows. It was my own little ineffective protest. At least I can pretend they didn't exist. But that could be harder if they're owning the company. If I watch am I endorsing what they're doing?
Thing is I always have been a WWE guy. I watched WCW and ECW but WWE has always been the brand I was most loyal to. Same now with AEW. I watch the shows but I'm indifferent to 2/3rds of the roster. And I don't know where to even find these other companies. So if I quit I may stop watching wrestling altogether.
So I don't know what's going to happen. I hope I don't have to make that choice.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 12, 2023 9:19:36 GMT -5
Also, if I was female talent, LGBTQ+ talent, or black talent I would be very worried. The House of Saud members are well-known misogynists, homophobes, and racists besides being otherwise horrible human beings. Said this in the main thread, but I don't think it'd really have much of an impact on them directly in terms of employment; the Saudi government is horrendous, but since they're all-in on sportswashing they know full well that doing anything to visibly harm or screw over the women or minority talent in the company would be counterproductive to their goal: to get the rest of the world to ignore how awful and tyrannical they are to the women and LGBT+ people in their own country by putting on a faux-progressive face when dealing with people from elsewhere. Like, Cristiano Ronaldo who plays for a Saudi league team but gets to live in Saudi Arabia with his girlfriend despite laws there saying they should be married; the Saudis own a Premiership team in the UK but also pay for it's womens club. That way it won't draw as much negative attention when they're butchering their own people. It's all to put on a show while trying to mask their hideousness toward their own people. It's been a long-time thing with me; as a young teen circa 1999 I had a "@#$% Vince" phase after seeing Wrestling with Shadows for the first time and decided I didn't want to support WWF very much anymore; not that my own money was really going to them much, but I decided I wouldn't ask for my family to help me buy pay per views or whatever. I briefly got coaxed back in 2004 but again didn't want to spend any money on it, but the creative direction of the company and emerging alternative promotions had me out again by the start of 2005. I felt stronger in doing that because I always saw Vince as the guy who had the resources and *could* change the wrestling industry for the better, but refused to because things like the whole "independent contractor" charade lined his pockets, so not supporting him was always pretty easy for me. And since then? Any time I even considered peeping the show again I'd get a big ol' pie in the face telling me to move along and go back to watching ROH/NJPW/indies/etc. The 2011 walkout angle, the 2014-2015 Rumble debacles, and biggest of all the Saudi shows...this just feels like the capstone to what had already been the trend and case with this company for years. So yeah, I bailed ages ago, and this would seal a big time "never coming back, ever" for me. Sorry to quote myself, but sheesh, I just had more "gave WWE a chance after 2005, almost immediately regretted it" moments pop into my head: -Heard that old ROH favorite CM Punk was going to debut on a relaunched ECW, and that ECW was being booked by Heyman. Gave it a bit of a chance, wound up hearing about December to Dismember. Whoops. -Watched some of the Raw where Bret Hart returned (flipped between that and the infamous Hogan TNA debut), ended up feeling pretty uncomfortable with "this is the worst night of Bret Hart's life"...yeah, not as big of a deal, but just felt weird to hear anyone say that given, y'know, everything we know about tragedy in Bret's life since Montreal. -Again with Punk, got invited to a friend's house to watch Money in the Bank 2011, got curious about how they'd handle things with him as absentee champion, and then they book John Cena to basically be a heel on a tired Rey Mysterio before bringing Punk back immediately and then having Alberto Del Rio and Kevin Nash get involved and uggggggh. -Same general timespan, saw Raw on a TV at the gym and the walkout angle happened, my most despised moment I've basically ever watched on a wrestling show. -Was happy for other ROH favorite Bryan Danielson rising up so high in WWE, and got the 2014-2015 Rumbles. Those were almost more funny to me than anything, since I wasn't watching regularly at all, but man, if I had been? I'd have just felt insulted. -Started saying "y'know the one match I'd consider paying money to WWE to see? Brock Lesnar vs. Samoa Joe". Got it, saw it, and I'm not sure I've ever been more disappointed. I'm sure not all of these moments were that bad to everyone, obviously everyone has different thresholds, different subjective tastes and wants from their shows, but personally, each of those were just "Why did I even bother?" moments.
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Post by Rise on Jan 12, 2023 10:34:13 GMT -5
Yes, I don't watch the Saudi shows on principal already and I'm loosely following the shows as it is so having them own it would be an instant withdrawal
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Post by Aceorton on Jan 12, 2023 20:58:24 GMT -5
I don't watch the current shows and haven't in about 20 years. Peacock is where I have trouble. I have lots of DVDs burned from old tapes, but the full library of stuff from the '80s through the Attitude Era is regular viewing for me. I pay $5.99 a month for that with the Black Friday deal I got. Is that Saudi blood money to have a subscription where I can watch the same old stuff I've been watching since I was a kid? Can you draw a line and still enjoy stuff from before the Saudis got involved?
Maybe some noble angel would find a way to get it all online somewhere on a platform where the Saudis couldn't enforce copyright.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 7:06:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't be happy with it because I like my wrestling to be edgy.
Considering Saudi Arabia is an Islamic country, the chances of us seeing edgy storylines is pretty much zero.
Having said that, I have nothing against the country per se. I watched the World Cup and that was in Qatar for example. I watched all the Crown Jewels.
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Post by themagnificentmoo on Jan 13, 2023 9:13:52 GMT -5
My subscription to Peacock goes out this month. I'd watch RR and then I would be done for good.
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