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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 4, 2023 18:13:59 GMT -5
trying to get Cody to pull a moment out of Ted Dibiase 2 is going to make the guy try and get some Zandig/Mondo shit on Summerslam, he set himself on fire once, he'll do this, typing this might make me reverse my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2023 18:35:57 GMT -5
He was "Okay"
That's it.
He had a good match with Bryan for the US Title I remember. But that's it.
The guy was as generic as it comes. Especially when you compare him to his father. He was just "a clean cut, cookie cutter Randy Orton clone" and that's what WWE loved at the time. They stopped caring about gimmicks, characters, workrate etc. All they cared about was "Is he a pretty boy? Is he clean cut like Randy and Cena?"
How the hell do charismatic guys like DiBiase, Mr. Perfect, The British Bulldog and others produce these generic ass kids? Surely there must be some charisma in their DNA.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Feb 4, 2023 18:44:40 GMT -5
How the hell do charismatic guys like DiBiase, Mr. Perfect, The British Bulldog and others produce these generic ass kids? Surely there must be some charisma in their DNA. I think a lot of this is nature vs. nurture. The guys you named had been in the business for years before they got to the WWF. They had been working in different promotions around the world, with different styles in front of different crowds, getting lessons from different veterans in different locker rooms. They took all of that information and made it their own. Kids like Joe Hennig and Ted Dibiase Jr. basically walked into the WWE right out of training and all they were told was "be like your Dad". They had the same raw material, they just lacked the experience and guidance their Fathers had. Do you really think Curt Hennig would've fared any better if he had just walked into the WWF in 1982, was told to act like his Dad, and immediately placed in a feud with someone like Pat Patterson?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 4, 2023 19:02:13 GMT -5
He could steal the show if he came back.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 4, 2023 19:51:45 GMT -5
Absolutely not. He had a good look, but zero charisma. On top of that, it's a kiss of death when your gimmick is based off of your dad's gimmick. The best second and third generation wrestlers are the ones that forge their own identity instead of a rehash of who they're related to. They also like only really half assed his gimmick. There was a lot of telling us about how rich he was but then they never actually showed it. Part of what got Ted Sr. Over was the vignettes of being a rich asshole all over town. Jr just got Cole saying Ted sure is rich. Look how rich he is.
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Post by King Devitt on Feb 4, 2023 20:33:34 GMT -5
He could steal the show if he came back. But would he be prosecuted for it?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 4, 2023 20:40:12 GMT -5
How the hell do charismatic guys like DiBiase, Mr. Perfect, The British Bulldog and others produce these generic ass kids? Surely there must be some charisma in their DNA. I think a lot of this is nature vs. nurture. The guys you named had been in the business for years before they got to the WWF. They had been working in different promotions around the world, with different styles in front of different crowds, getting lessons from different veterans in different locker rooms. They took all of that information and made it their own. Kids like Joe Hennig and Ted Dibiase Jr. basically walked into the WWE right out of training and all they were told was "be like your Dad". They had the same raw material, they just lacked the experience and guidance their Fathers had. Do you really think Curt Hennig would've fared any better if he had just walked into the WWF in 1982, was told to act like his Dad, and immediately placed in a feud with someone like Pat Patterson? Exactly. Look at Dustin compared to Cody. Dustin is talented as hell but how many people fondly remember "The Natural" compared to Goldust. Dustin has to break away from being Dusty's kid to get people to notice he was actually good. Cody was nothing more than CAWdy until he started to get Dashing and Disfigured (of course even then he's gone back to "Hey I'm Dusty's kid but, whatever). Axel getting to be goofy with Ryback and then the BTeam showed he could be something but people only looked for Mr. Perfect Jr. Ted had something with the DiBiase Posse, man of the people stuff but by then he was a basically scorched earth. Too many of the Next Gen kids got pegged to be the second coming of their father instead of trying to give them their own start.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2023 22:56:12 GMT -5
I think a lot of this is nature vs. nurture. The guys you named had been in the business for years before they got to the WWF. They had been working in different promotions around the world, with different styles in front of different crowds, getting lessons from different veterans in different locker rooms. They took all of that information and made it their own. Kids like Joe Hennig and Ted Dibiase Jr. basically walked into the WWE right out of training and all they were told was "be like your Dad". They had the same raw material, they just lacked the experience and guidance their Fathers had. Do you really think Curt Hennig would've fared any better if he had just walked into the WWF in 1982, was told to act like his Dad, and immediately placed in a feud with someone like Pat Patterson? Exactly. Look at Dustin compared to Cody. Dustin is talented as hell but how many people fondly remember "The Natural" compared to Goldust. Dustin has to break away from being Dusty's kid to get people to notice he was actually good. Cody was nothing more than CAWdy until he started to get Dashing and Disfigured (of course even then he's gone back to "Hey I'm Dusty's kid but, whatever). Axel getting to be goofy with Ryback and then the BTeam showed he could be something but people only looked for Mr. Perfect Jr. Ted had something with the DiBiase Posse, man of the people stuff but by then he was a basically scorched earth. Too many of the Next Gen kids got pegged to be the second coming of their father instead of trying to give them their own start. You're right but to be honest, most of these 2nd gen guys have zero creativity. Its not exclusive to them either. Its just wrestlers in general these days. They all just want to be "regular dude who's a badass and does cool moves"... Not many actually want to be a gimmick or a memorable character.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 4, 2023 22:57:06 GMT -5
I will give DiBiase Jr. this, he probably has my favorite spinebuster of all time.
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Post by CMWaters on Feb 4, 2023 22:59:08 GMT -5
I think a lot of this is nature vs. nurture. The guys you named had been in the business for years before they got to the WWF. They had been working in different promotions around the world, with different styles in front of different crowds, getting lessons from different veterans in different locker rooms. They took all of that information and made it their own. Kids like Joe Hennig and Ted Dibiase Jr. basically walked into the WWE right out of training and all they were told was "be like your Dad". They had the same raw material, they just lacked the experience and guidance their Fathers had. Do you really think Curt Hennig would've fared any better if he had just walked into the WWF in 1982, was told to act like his Dad, and immediately placed in a feud with someone like Pat Patterson? Exactly. Look at Dustin compared to Cody. Dustin is talented as hell but how many people fondly remember "The Natural" compared to Goldust. Dustin has to break away from being Dusty's kid to get people to notice he was actually good. Cody was nothing more than CAWdy until he started to get Dashing and Disfigured (of course even then he's gone back to "Hey I'm Dusty's kid but, whatever). Axel getting to be goofy with Ryback and then the BTeam showed he could be something but people only looked for Mr. Perfect Jr. Ted had something with the DiBiase Posse, man of the people stuff but by then he was a basically scorched earth. Too many of the Next Gen kids got pegged to be the second coming of their father instead of trying to give them their own start. In a way what you say could be a major factor in why they put Simone Johnson on NXT with Schism as Ava Raine instead of doing something like fast-tracking her into The Bloodline, since she would be compared to her dad way too much in the long run.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 4, 2023 23:05:18 GMT -5
I think a lot of this is nature vs. nurture. The guys you named had been in the business for years before they got to the WWF. They had been working in different promotions around the world, with different styles in front of different crowds, getting lessons from different veterans in different locker rooms. They took all of that information and made it their own. Kids like Joe Hennig and Ted Dibiase Jr. basically walked into the WWE right out of training and all they were told was "be like your Dad". They had the same raw material, they just lacked the experience and guidance their Fathers had. Do you really think Curt Hennig would've fared any better if he had just walked into the WWF in 1982, was told to act like his Dad, and immediately placed in a feud with someone like Pat Patterson? Exactly. Look at Dustin compared to Cody. Dustin is talented as hell but how many people fondly remember "The Natural" compared to Goldust. Dustin has to break away from being Dusty's kid to get people to notice he was actually good. Cody was nothing more than CAWdy until he started to get Dashing and Disfigured (of course even then he's gone back to "Hey I'm Dusty's kid but, whatever). Axel getting to be goofy with Ryback and then the BTeam showed he could be something but people only looked for Mr. Perfect Jr. Ted had something with the DiBiase Posse, man of the people stuff but by then he was a basically scorched earth. Too many of the Next Gen kids got pegged to be the second coming of their father instead of trying to give them their own start. DiBiase Posse was getting him over before he got cut and seemed like he finally attached on to something Coming in he had the look and you can see they thought he could be a potential young Randy. Ultimately, it seems Ted problem is he didn't want it enough. Cody was always the 3rd wheel in that trio but he kept working and the Dashing gimmick was a major chance to step out of his father shoes and into his own. For better or worse, Ted got an established gimmick (being his fathers kid) and that was something he couldn't make his own despite being given TV time
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Post by Heartbreaker on Feb 4, 2023 23:11:31 GMT -5
Cody's neck tattoo has more personality than Ted Jr. ever did.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 4, 2023 23:16:52 GMT -5
Exactly. Look at Dustin compared to Cody. Dustin is talented as hell but how many people fondly remember "The Natural" compared to Goldust. Dustin has to break away from being Dusty's kid to get people to notice he was actually good. Cody was nothing more than CAWdy until he started to get Dashing and Disfigured (of course even then he's gone back to "Hey I'm Dusty's kid but, whatever). Axel getting to be goofy with Ryback and then the BTeam showed he could be something but people only looked for Mr. Perfect Jr. Ted had something with the DiBiase Posse, man of the people stuff but by then he was a basically scorched earth. Too many of the Next Gen kids got pegged to be the second coming of their father instead of trying to give them their own start. DiBiase Posse was getting him over before he got cut and seemed like he finally attached on to something Coming in he had the look and you can see they thought he could be a potential young Randy. Ultimately, it seems Ted problem is he didn't want it enough. Cody was always the 3rd wheel in that trio but he kept working and the Dashing gimmick was a major chance to step out of his father shoes and into his own. For better or worse, Ted got an established gimmick (being his fathers kid) and that was something he couldn't make his own despite being given TV time As I said earlier they didn't actually do anything to make the gimmick. it was basically Cole talking about how rich he was.. and not actually showing it.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 4, 2023 23:20:41 GMT -5
DiBiase Posse was getting him over before he got cut and seemed like he finally attached on to something Coming in he had the look and you can see they thought he could be a potential young Randy. Ultimately, it seems Ted problem is he didn't want it enough. Cody was always the 3rd wheel in that trio but he kept working and the Dashing gimmick was a major chance to step out of his father shoes and into his own. For better or worse, Ted got an established gimmick (being his fathers kid) and that was something he couldn't make his own despite being given TV time As I said earlier they didn't actually do anything to make the gimmick. it was basically Cole talking about how rich he was.. and not actually showing it. Hey, there was that time he bought a dude's eyeball.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 4, 2023 23:22:47 GMT -5
DiBiase Posse was getting him over before he got cut and seemed like he finally attached on to something Coming in he had the look and you can see they thought he could be a potential young Randy. Ultimately, it seems Ted problem is he didn't want it enough. Cody was always the 3rd wheel in that trio but he kept working and the Dashing gimmick was a major chance to step out of his father shoes and into his own. For better or worse, Ted got an established gimmick (being his fathers kid) and that was something he couldn't make his own despite being given TV time As I said earlier they didn't actually do anything to make the gimmick. it was basically Cole talking about how rich he was.. and not actually showing it. Yeah, they basically gave him the parts they thought people cared about (manager and million dollar title) without the stuff to build around it The only thing I remember he said that was even remotely funny or showed enough personality was when he fired Virgil and hired Maryse as his manager and Virgil is like "what about protection" and Ted said "I'll go to the drug store"
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Post by XIII on Feb 4, 2023 23:27:15 GMT -5
Kind of off topic but it is mind boggling at how bad Vince always bungled the obnoxiously rich guy that gets away with stuff because he’s rich and pays people off gimmick when that’s exactly the type of person that he is. Ted Sr. Was the best at it but even he got kind of wack after a while. Ted Jr. Sucked, Alberto sucked, did anyone else do it? I mean those guys blew hard but they weren’t really written good either.
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Post by CMWaters on Feb 4, 2023 23:31:49 GMT -5
Kind of off topic but it is mind boggling at how bad Vince always bungled the obnoxiously rich guy that gets away with stuff because he’s rich and pays people off gimmick when that’s exactly the type of person that he is. Ted Sr. Was the best at it but even he got kind of wack after a while. Ted Jr. Sucked, Alberto sucked, did anyone else do it? I mean those guys blew hard but they weren’t really written good either. Does JBL count? I mean, I'm sure it was implied he bought his way into the feud with Eddie.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Feb 5, 2023 0:53:28 GMT -5
Ted Jr., like our old friend Joe Hennig, is somebody that would've benefitted greatly from a lengthy run on the indies or overseas before showing up in the WWE. And yes, I know he did a couple months on the indies and in NOAH before he was signed, but I'm talking years. Someplace out of the spotlight where he could cultivate his own skills and personality and not have to worry about the preconceived notions his family name brings. This way when he does show up in the WWE he would have something more to offer then being a failed clone of his father. I don't think he loved the business to do that though. He was on the road making 6 figures by the time he was 20. Say what you want about Cody, the dude is in love with pro wrestling.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 5, 2023 1:33:46 GMT -5
Ted was solid in the ring, but not much personality. He's a supporting wrestler, not the main guy. His run in Legacy was his top spot in the company. As I said earlier they didn't actually do anything to make the gimmick. it was basically Cole talking about how rich he was.. and not actually showing it. Yeah, they basically gave him the parts they thought people cared about (manager and million dollar title) without the stuff to build around it The only thing I remember he said that was even remotely funny or showed enough personality was when he fired Virgil and hired Maryse as his manager and Virgil is like "what about protection" and Ted said "I'll go to the drug store" WWE: "Ted isn't over by himself, he isn't doing well as a carbon copy of his father, I got it, putting a mega-babe with him will get people to care about him." For some reason WWE and people like Cena were convinced he was gonna be a massive star. But he is a star in the Welfare fraud circle.
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Post by thehottag on Feb 5, 2023 3:05:31 GMT -5
My brother in christ, Manu was paired with Cody and Randy To be fair, they've just won 13 home games in a row.
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