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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Feb 10, 2023 22:18:56 GMT -5
So much to unpack here. Also, they did a two pack of the Rock N Roll Express, except they painted the heads incorrectly, Ricky looked like Robert and Robert looked like Ricky. So Undertaker looks like a background character from The Hobbit, Kane has oddly....kissable lips, and Paul Bearer looks like just sharted himself. Yikes. Paul Bearer is also taller than both Undertaker and Kane.
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Post by wildojinx on Feb 10, 2023 23:18:42 GMT -5
The Bret Hart dvd: The picture looks to be from 88-89 as opposed to using a picture from the 90s (which is where the majority of matches on the dvd are from)
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Post by agent817 on Feb 11, 2023 2:03:14 GMT -5
Okay, I found it funny how Randy Orton in "Smackdown: Here Comes the Pain" was just his reused model from "Shut Your Mouth." At the time of HCTP's release, he was already wearing his "Orton" trunks in the style he has had for pretty much his entire career. However, in HCTP, he had his 2002 look.
Also, in the same game, it was funny how in the select screen that Torrie Wilson's model was her SYM model, but when actually used in gameplay, she had different attire.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 11, 2023 2:07:55 GMT -5
Heya, I have a topic here that came up in my mind from checking out a video review of the latest John Cena Mattel figure recently and leaving confused by their choice of representation for a Ruthless Aggression era version of him. This is the first Cena in this Ruthless Aggression line by Mattel, which makes it even *more* strange: Does *anybody* ever think of this look for John Cena when they think of the Ruthless Aggression era of WWE? When it comes to iconic looks, or just memorable looks in general for the guy, you think of the throwback WWF logo stuff, you think of the John Deere or Pabst or the gazillion different color shirts, but…this? Ah yes, that i c o n i c Ruthless Aggression John Cena look…generic red shirt and camo hat. Well, I’ll leave the rest to you all. What are your picks for strange attires/looks to be immortalized in different media? I don't think that Jersey is too out there it's one of his first from around the time he turned face, and I think the first of his actual jersey's that actually had anything on them resembling a logo. (His real first one was just a maroon Football Jersey with 54 on it.)
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 11, 2023 2:09:27 GMT -5
Heya, I have a topic here that came up in my mind from checking out a video review of the latest John Cena Mattel figure recently and leaving confused by their choice of representation for a Ruthless Aggression era version of him. This is the first Cena in this Ruthless Aggression line by Mattel, which makes it even *more* strange: Does *anybody* ever think of this look for John Cena when they think of the Ruthless Aggression era of WWE? When it comes to iconic looks, or just memorable looks in general for the guy, you think of the throwback WWF logo stuff, you think of the John Deere or Pabst or the gazillion different color shirts, but…this? Ah yes, that i c o n i c Ruthless Aggression John Cena look…generic red shirt and camo hat. Well, I’ll leave the rest to you all. What are your picks for strange attires/looks to be immortalized in different media? I don't think that Jersey is too out there it's one of his first from around the time he turned face, and I think the first of his actual jersey's that actually had anything on them resembling a logo. (His real first one was just a maroon Football Jersey with 54 on it.) For that matter he's had a few camo hats over the years so that's not that strange either.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Feb 11, 2023 2:58:36 GMT -5
The WCW Galoob figures were made with exactly how the guys looked in the promo pics the figures were based on. Meaning guys like Windham and Z-Man got no kneepads and Doom were in street clothes basically.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 11, 2023 2:59:46 GMT -5
The Bret Hart dvd: The picture looks to be from 88-89 as opposed to using a picture from the 90s (which is where the majority of matches on the dvd are from) I imagine Bret chose this image, for one reason or another.
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 11, 2023 10:25:38 GMT -5
The WCW Galoob figures were made with exactly how the guys looked in the promo pics the figures were based on. Meaning guys like Windham and Z-Man got no kneepads and Doom were in street clothes basically. And funnily enough, Justoys did almost the same thing. Barry and Doom were the exact same from one company to the other. Z-Man had a design on his bend em but no knee pads. Flair, Lex, Sting had different color tights but Pillman, Arn and Sid were the same. Steiners would have been the exact same EXCEPT Justoys add the details that Galoob skimped on. Also, I think that Bret DVD cover, the image is from 91-92.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 11, 2023 11:39:40 GMT -5
A couple more figures. We got two pack of 90s Shawn Michaels at late 2010's Taker with the shaved head. Plus a rib bandage that neither on camera wore and never against each other for that matter. Than we have lazy Jakks again, I know this was at the end of the deal with WWE. I have no idea what Shawn Michaels pants are suppose to be referenced from.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 11, 2023 12:01:44 GMT -5
Hillbilly Jim never wore a red shirt under his overalls, like his LJN figure does
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 11, 2023 13:25:32 GMT -5
Andre’s head on a Big Show body to kick off the Classic Superstars line.
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 11, 2023 19:26:54 GMT -5
For being one of the biggest stars of all time, Andre got shabby treatment a few times. LJN had his strap reversed in 1989, Jakks did the same thing in 1998, Jakks had the Big Show body shown above, a Giant Machine with only trunks, no tights and also a new company made an Andre with two different body tones and a head that looks like a sickly Brad Garrett.
Jakks excuse for the Classic 1 Big Show body was that they had to cut corners in order to be able to either sign Warrior or put the effort into his toy. That might make sense for a mom and pop shop toy company but Jakks?
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 12, 2023 9:21:54 GMT -5
Andre’s head on a Big Show body to kick off the Classic Superstars line. It's a shame, as that'd otherwise be a good head, but the double strapped singlet is just an embarrassment, given the single strap design is so closely tied with him. It'd be like if they made a Jerry Lawler and gave him two straps.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 12, 2023 13:01:32 GMT -5
For being one of the biggest stars of all time, Andre got shabby treatment a few times. LJN had his strap reversed in 1989, Jakks did the same thing in 1998, Jakks had the Big Show body shown above, a Giant Machine with only trunks, no tights and also a new company made an Andre with two different body tones and a head that looks like a sickly Brad Garrett. Jakks excuse for the Classic 1 Big Show body was that they had to cut corners in order to be able to either sign Warrior or put the effort into his toy. That might make sense for a mom and pop shop toy company but Jakks? That just sounded like an excuse of "Hey, we to lazy to make this." Knowing ok yeah it may cost money but known you likely sell more if the figures look way better.
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Post by crowley1986 on Feb 12, 2023 13:12:57 GMT -5
Okay, I found it funny how Randy Orton in "Smackdown: Here Comes the Pain" was just his reused model from "Shut Your Mouth." At the time of HCTP's release, he was already wearing his "Orton" trunks in the style he has had for pretty much his entire career. However, in HCTP, he had his 2002 look. Also, in the same game, it was funny how in the select screen that Torrie Wilson's model was her SYM model, but when actually used in gameplay, she had different attire. tbf fair to them Orton jumped to raw in october 2002 with that gear, and was injured from November till about June (where he started wrestling again - he popped up in february on the house show circuit got injured in a match against the dudleyz and again in May but not in ring wise)
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Post by tirtefaa on Feb 12, 2023 15:05:02 GMT -5
Jakks excuse for the Classic 1 Big Show body was that they had to cut corners in order to be able to either sign Warrior or put the effort into his toy. That might make sense for a mom and pop shop toy company but Jakks? That just sounded like an excuse of "Hey, we to lazy to make this." Knowing ok yeah it may cost money but known you likely sell more if the figures look way better. Jakks pulled stunts like that all the time. There was a Luther Reigns/Kurt Angle two pack, and they gave them cheap non-articulate arms from a discontinued line of figures. Their excuse? It was Chinese New Year. My favorite "error" was a Jim Neidhart who had two left arms. They never signed Macho Man for their Classics line because they said "he asked for too much money". Meanwhile, they signed Johnny Rodz, Berserker, Zeus, Spike Dudley, Virgil, Al Snow, Steve Williams, Brooklyn Brawler, Steve Blackman and Tank Abbott. Arguably some of these guys are okay but at the time not "classic", and others were simply peg hangers that never sold. If they signed Savage instead of all these people, they would have sold more figures. The excuse for not signing Ricky Steamboat was that they couldn't get the rights to his last name, but why not just release it as "The Dragon" then? Not only did Mattel sign both guys within a couple years, but there were no issues. Toward the end of the line, Jakks got very lazy and started just releasing guys with jeans or no detail to their attire. Guys who were signed like Arnold Skaaland and Outback Jack weren't released. Last thing I'll mention is that several of Jakks signings were done through a very dedicated fanbase. Honky Tonk Man, Sherri, Demolition Ax, and Rick Rude's family were all approached through a couple of very dedicated fans. HTM and Ax both said that Jakks never approached them beforehand. Multiple fan conversations with Jeremy Padawer exposed that he was very easily swayed by bad ideas, namely the Jakks version of LJN figures.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 15:33:15 GMT -5
Jakks were the cheapest company ever.
I know we have better technology and stuff these days but even back in the mid 2000s and during their TNA Licence in the early 2010s, those figures could've been way better.
They NEVER scaled them. So Shawn Michaels would be taller than Diesel for example. Or Paul Bearer being 8 foot tall next to Kane and Taker. Also they would never make exclusive molds for certain guys. For example, the Yokozuna would be reused for guys like Rikishi and Vader. Ugh. They would always give random accessories too. Like a barbed wire baseball bat with Dean Malenko or something.
As a kid, I liked them but looking back, those figures were trash for the most part. Except for the head scans. Even though the heads were too big most of the time.
They were hilariously bad towards the end. That was "Shawn Michaels against Hogan at SummerSlam 2005" lack of f***s given.
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Post by Andee9001 on Feb 12, 2023 16:24:45 GMT -5
That just sounded like an excuse of "Hey, we to lazy to make this." Knowing ok yeah it may cost money but known you likely sell more if the figures look way better. Jakks pulled stunts like that all the time. There was a Luther Reigns/Kurt Angle two pack, and they gave them cheap non-articulate arms from a discontinued line of figures. Their excuse? It was Chinese New Year. My favorite "error" was a Jim Neidhart who had two left arms. They never signed Macho Man for their Classics line because they said "he asked for too much money". Meanwhile, they signed Johnny Rodz, Berserker, Zeus, Spike Dudley, Virgil, Al Snow, Steve Williams, Brooklyn Brawler, Steve Blackman and Tank Abbott. Arguably some of these guys are okay but at the time not "classic", and others were simply peg hangers that never sold. If they signed Savage instead of all these people, they would have sold more figures. The excuse for not signing Ricky Steamboat was that they couldn't get the rights to his last name, but why not just release it as "The Dragon" then? Not only did Mattel sign both guys within a couple years, but there were no issues. Toward the end of the line, Jakks got very lazy and started just releasing guys with jeans or no detail to their attire. Guys who were signed like Arnold Skaaland and Outback Jack weren't released. Last thing I'll mention is that several of Jakks signings were done through a very dedicated fanbase. Honky Tonk Man, Sherri, Demolition Ax, and Rick Rude's family were all approached through a couple of very dedicated fans. HTM and Ax both said that Jakks never approached them beforehand. Multiple fan conversations with Jeremy Padawer exposed that he was very easily swayed by bad ideas, namely the Jakks version of LJN figures. In fairness though having guys like Tank Abbot, Spike, Al Snow, etc was actually pretty cool in a sense that those were guys you wouldn't normally get figures of. I doubt now with the Mattel line that they will go for wrestlers like that anymore. I do see what you mean though. The true blue legends should have been priority.
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 12, 2023 16:27:27 GMT -5
Figures Toy Company had a Legends line from 1998-2000 or 01 and though they were smaller scale some of those were even better than what Jakks put out with the Classics in 2004 and beyond. Figures got lazy too but I'm sure their budget was much less than Jakks.
The LJN version of Jakks was an abomination. It was a total insult to fans. Nothing more to say on that.
We liked these as a kid but like Negan said, lots of Jakks were trash. It's obvious Vince had no interaction with Jakks. As anal as he seems to be or we think he is, he would have been done with Jakks as soon as they made the first series with arms falling off left and right. I can't remember how many times I had to get new Razor or Diesel or Bret's from the store because the arms fell off.
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Post by tirtefaa on Feb 12, 2023 16:43:35 GMT -5
In fairness though having guys like Tank Abbot, Spike, Al Snow, etc was actually pretty cool in a sense that those were guys you wouldn't normally get figures of. I doubt now with the Mattel line that they will go for wrestlers like that anymore. I do see what you mean though. The true blue legends should have been priority. Some of those guys already had figures made by Jakks, albeit from an older line. And who exactly was the fanbase clamoring for a Tank Abbott figure? That was embarrassing. There were no less than 8 iconic Randy Savage looks, and I know those would have sold far more than some of these pegwarmers. The one good thing I'll say about Jakks is that I still think they for the most part had good head scans. Some were bad, but I'd say by and large most are better than Mattel, who for some reason just look rubbery and having a separate hair piece makes it look worse.
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