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Post by salparadise on Feb 16, 2023 16:41:57 GMT -5
If Hulkamania had never existed or if Hulk Hogan was gone for some reason from 1987 onwards could Hacksaw have been the champ and carried the company as the main face ?
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 16, 2023 16:54:25 GMT -5
No because there still would've been better options then Hacksaw. Namely Savage and Warrior who got both got runs on top even with Hogan there. Unless the roster was very talent barren #4 or #5 face on the depth chart was going to be Duggan's ceiling.
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Post by karl100589 on Feb 16, 2023 17:05:23 GMT -5
He was certainly over enough todo it, but he needed an aura of legitimacy. Hogan was very kid friendly, but you could also buy him as a tough guy who never backed down from a challenge, whereas Duggan at times came across as a comedic fool.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 16, 2023 17:46:42 GMT -5
He was a valuable face, but I can't picture him being a good THE Top Guy, not for any extended period of time, anyway. I've come to appreciate him more over time, but he had more limitations than Hogan did, and wasn't larger than life in quite the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2023 17:49:07 GMT -5
Hacksaw was a very over midcard act but he could've never been a Hulk Hogan
For starters he hadn't got the physique. And he was also a drug addict.
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 16, 2023 18:04:12 GMT -5
I say no but I'm not totally convinced he couldn't have been as popular as Sgt. Slaughter in the 80s. He didn't have the military kayfabe background which would have linked to GI Joe but upper card Hacksaw was doable, moreso his early time with WWF. He did become too comedy in the late 80s, early 90s. When he first came to WWF he came in all serious. Wrestlemania III Hacksaw was much different than V. It's almost like that Detective Homer Simpson episode where the Police Cop producers toyed with the original pilot and made the character a goofball. I personal love goofy Hacksaw and think that was his lasting legacy.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 16, 2023 18:10:00 GMT -5
I say no but I'm not totally convinced he couldn't have been as popular as Sgt. Slaughter in the 80s. He didn't have the military kayfabe background which would have linked to GI Joe but upper card Hacksaw was doable, moreso his early time with WWF. He did become too comedy in the late 80s, early 90s. When he first came to WWF he came in all serious. Wrestlemania III Hacksaw was much different than V. It's almost like that Detective Homer Simpson episode where the Police Cop producers toyed with the original pilot and made the character a goofball. I personal love goofy Hacksaw and think that was his lasting legacy. “Uh-oh, spaghetti-os, tough guy! HOOOOO” |
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Post by Aceorton on Feb 16, 2023 18:30:32 GMT -5
I think the biggest knock against Hacksaw in that kind of role is that he usually was depicted as being too headstrong and not very smart. Your top face needs to be able to outsmart the heels more often than not. Hacksaw could do that against some of the monster hosses, but against guys like DiBiase or Savage, he was usually easy to fool or bait into a DQ.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Feb 16, 2023 18:44:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure he could have carried the company, but he could have done a job as the top face It would have had to have been blue collar, run-through-walls Mid South/early WWF Duggan though, witless idiot Duggan wouldn't really have worked or been taken seriously.
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 16, 2023 18:47:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure he could have carried the company, but he could have done a job as the top face It would have had to have been blue collar, run-through-walls Mid South/early WWF Duggan though, witless idiot Duggan wouldn't really have worked or been taken seriously. Hey, he was a very intelligent man- *insert Bobby Heenan losing it* |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 16, 2023 18:52:59 GMT -5
No. Not everyone who is over is 'face of the company' over. You need guys like Duggan in the lower to upper midcard to keep a crowd hot and make every show a solid one with something to keep fans chanting and cheering, not just sitting on their hands waiting for the main event because there's nobody in the undercard worth anything.
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Post by lildude8218 on Feb 16, 2023 19:07:47 GMT -5
Bobby Heenan: I wish he was a face on a milk carton.
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Post by evilone on Feb 16, 2023 19:58:23 GMT -5
Early Hacksaw was like a redneck He-Man and it worked. I could totally see how his act went on to became goofy once he introduced the flag and gesticulation became exaggerated.
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Post by XIII on Feb 16, 2023 23:49:38 GMT -5
Why did he become the super patriot anyways? This almost certainly had something to do with my main man Dino Bravo.
Probably not a good choice to carry a company but he was the type of over that most modern wrestlers wish they had.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 17, 2023 5:14:18 GMT -5
Hacksaw was a very over midcard act but he could've never been a Hulk Hogan For starters he hadn't got the physique. And he was also a drug addict. If being a drug addict was a barrier then 80s wrestling would have no talents except like, Bob Backlund |
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Feb 17, 2023 5:38:12 GMT -5
Bobby Heenan: I wish he was a face on a milk carton. Gorilla: WILL YOU STOP?! |
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Post by tirtefaa on Feb 17, 2023 5:57:45 GMT -5
I doubt it.
Duggan was legitimately one of the few faces who made me angry based off of some of the dumb things he did. He costed the Killer B's a tag team win at WrestleMania, simply because he didn't like Nikolai Volkoff singing the Russian National Anthem, despite not being in the match at all.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 17, 2023 6:14:47 GMT -5
Why did he become the super patriot anyways? This almost certainly had something to do with my main man Dino Bravo. Probably not a good choice to carry a company but he was the type of over that most modern wrestlers wish they had. Being patriotic was part of his character right away as he was feuding with Volkoff and Sheik when he first came in. Then not as much after he was rehired for about the following year and then it became a big part of him again when he started feuding with Bravo and it remained a big part of his character the rest of his career. |
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Post by 魔界5号 on Feb 17, 2023 6:40:33 GMT -5
Hacksaw was always a level below the main event guys in the WWF to me, he was a popular babyface and his patriot gimmick had midcard title potential and maybe he could have been good for a babyface vs babyface opponent against Hogan once a year or so, but i think that’s about it. The Rumble win when it wasn’t as important as it went on to be was about his ceiling. Duggan didn’t have the larger than life personality or connection with the kids like Hogan and Warrior did, or the universal appeal and charisma that Savage did.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Feb 17, 2023 6:57:58 GMT -5
Like someone said the Mid South version of Duggan would have made a decent short run World Champ in 80s WWF.
Now I might be a bit biased cause like JYD and Ted Dibiase SR,Hacksaw Duggan was a big deal to me as a kid.
Plus my dad had a buddy he worked with that had a beard and a wonky eye. All us kids called him Hacksaw.
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