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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 19, 2023 14:13:29 GMT -5
For a guy who's "The Devil" with Christian back he's at most, 3rd most evil on the roster, he needs something new, something really brutal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 14:43:04 GMT -5
I just feel if the time line was different. This could be Ethan Page right now and would probably going better.
I think the shoot promos are a crutch, they could give any decent promo guy the go head to do shoot promos and you get the same result.
I think MJF works as TNT champion weasel vs some of the other pilars, but on his own as a main eventer, it feels forced. He’s not Darth Vader, he’s Boba Fett. This run has exposed him.
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Post by Abdullah on Feb 19, 2023 15:15:29 GMT -5
I think the thing that isn’t being said as loudly as it should be is…
This is kinda Tony Khan’s fault?
I mean, it’s MJF not wanting to be a face or even just evolve. But it’s why I’ve started to feel that he’d be better off with a WWE run, if only because he’d likely deal with management that wouldn’t shrug to his worse impulses and actually force him to grow as a performer.
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Post by chrom on Feb 19, 2023 15:26:13 GMT -5
I just feel if the time line was different. This could be Ethan Page right now and would probably going better. I think the shoot promos are a crutch, they could give any decent promo guy the go head to do shoot promos and you get the same result. I think MJF works as TNT champion weasel vs some of the other pilars, but on his own as a main eventer, it feels forced. He’s not Darth Vader, he’s Boba Fett. This run has exposed him. Wouldn't even say he's Boba Fett, more like Ozzel at this point.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 19, 2023 16:26:55 GMT -5
Tony already fell off that tightrope with Punk. Trying to keep him happy to the detriment of the rest of the company. Agreed I don't think he should be outright f***ing up plans if MJF isn't working as champion but he is stuck in a tricky position of giving him a title run worthy of what he has done for the company BUT also stuck in a bad spot that he could legit lose MJF in 202 It is a weird circumstance he finds himself in. Does MJF need a long title reign? Hell no but it is expected for a guy like him and them playing into the 2024 stuff It's okay if MJF drops the title in March, has a character reset of some sort, then wins in the fall to play up the 2024 thing again, with him vowing to hold on to the AEW Title even after the deadline.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Feb 19, 2023 16:56:18 GMT -5
For a guy who's "The Devil" with Christian back he's at most, 3rd most evil on the roster, he needs something new, something really brutal. Would be funny if MJF called himself the devil, the lights went out and then came back on with Malakai standing behind him.
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Post by jp49er80 on Feb 19, 2023 17:04:13 GMT -5
Put the damn thing on Starks.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 19, 2023 17:21:04 GMT -5
I've never been a big Danielson fan. I can appreciate that he's a great wrestler (arguably the best right now) and that he has had some great angles and a genuine connection with the crowd, but he's never been my guy and I've never really cared about seeing him win.
Despite that, I'd be very tempted to put the belt on Danielson at the PPV. Even if it's only a short run where he burns himself out like Darby did with the TNT title.
Give MJF some space to figure out how to make things work for him again without the pressure of being the world champ at the same time. MJF is still very, very young. This doesn't have to be a career-defining title run.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 17:39:36 GMT -5
Richard Holiday just kicked cancers ass, he was the best part of the Dynasty anyways. Bring him in and if they could get Hammerstone. MJF really needs the Dynasty.
Let them feud with a newly signed underdog Mance Warner.
Yes I want MLW storylines played out on a national level.
Either way dude needs a hard reset.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 19, 2023 21:59:32 GMT -5
Agreed I don't think he should be outright f***ing up plans if MJF isn't working as champion but he is stuck in a tricky position of giving him a title run worthy of what he has done for the company BUT also stuck in a bad spot that he could legit lose MJF in 202 It is a weird circumstance he finds himself in. Does MJF need a long title reign? Hell no but it is expected for a guy like him and them playing into the 2024 stuff It's okay if MJF drops the title in March, has a character reset of some sort, then wins in the fall to play up the 2024 thing again, with him vowing to hold on to the AEW Title even after the deadline. Yeah, if they’re dead set on that 2024 shtick, there could be urgency in an angle with MJF spitefully trying to claim it right before his “contract runs out”.
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Post by markymark on Feb 19, 2023 23:13:25 GMT -5
His character is shot right now. He has the same problem Authority version of Seth did where you were basically booked as a main eventer already so when you got the actual title, the stories aren't really hitting I think another thing that hurt him is the prospect of this title reign going a long time. In reality, he probably should be humiliated a bit and lose the title early only to possibly gain it back. I just don't see it in the cards tho cause right now TK is walking a tight rope of trying to appease MJF and give him a successful run while also actually trying to keep him beyond 2024 I have been wanting to give it a little while before really saying the title reign is shit but right now he def isn't hitting on all cylinders I dont mind MJF losing the title next month but there will be some fans comparing the short title reigns since last year to WCW 2000
His character is shot right now. He has the same problem Authority version of Seth did where you were basically booked as a main eventer already so when you got the actual title, the stories aren't really hitting I think another thing that hurt him is the prospect of this title reign going a long time. In reality, he probably should be humiliated a bit and lose the title early only to possibly gain it back. I just don't see it in the cards tho cause right now TK is walking a tight rope of trying to appease MJF and give him a successful run while also actually trying to keep him beyond 2024 I have been wanting to give it a little while before really saying the title reign is shit but right now he def isn't hitting on all cylinders Tony already fell off that tightrope with Punk. Trying to keep him happy to the detriment of the rest of the company.
I mean he also did with Cody by accepting his demands(refusing to turning him heel) to the point he let him go once his deal was up.
I think the thing that isn’t being said as loudly as it should be is… This is kinda Tony Khan’s fault? I mean, it’s MJF not wanting to be a face or even just evolve. But it’s why I’ve started to feel that he’d be better off with a WWE run, if only because he’d likely deal with management that wouldn’t shrug to his worse impulses and actually force him to grow as a performer.
MJF himself said he didnt want to turn face, yeah part of it its TK for not being too strict, thats the weakness when you are too lax toward talent.
It's okay if MJF drops the title in March, has a character reset of some sort, then wins in the fall to play up the 2024 thing again, with him vowing to hold on to the AEW Title even after the deadline. Yeah, if they’re dead set on that 2024 shtick, there could be urgency in an angle with MJF spitefully trying to claim it right before his “contract runs out”.
Maybe only bring it up once we are in the final Quarter of 2023...
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Post by dpg on Feb 20, 2023 3:13:44 GMT -5
He's very charismatic and has good mic skills, but his character is as deep as a puddle and has never grown past being snarky. There's no depth to it or his promos.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Feb 20, 2023 5:48:07 GMT -5
How about having the sumbitch wrestle?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 20, 2023 16:23:31 GMT -5
Had to double check to see if I don’t make this thread, lmaooo.
But yeah, I think the dude is amauter hour. From the edge lord promos to the “no really, this what people think the Miz is”- in-ring skill set to the lack of compelling stories (how many f***ing times can you have your rival run through a cavalcade of goons!?), dude’s a flop.
I’ll say it. I actually think Austin Theory is a more complete project and I think that boy is a special type of buns!
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 20, 2023 16:26:59 GMT -5
How about having the sumbitch wrestle? Feels like they want to go the Roman route with him in that regard but Roman still wrestled a lot for the first 2 years of his title run. He started taking breaks after he won the undisputed title last year
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Post by dpg on Feb 20, 2023 16:33:48 GMT -5
Had to double check to see if I don’t make this thread, lmaooo. But yeah, I think the dude is amauter hour. From the edge lord promos to the “no really, this what people think the Miz is”- in-ring skill set to the lack of compelling stories (how many f***ing times can you have your rival run through a cavalcade of goons!?), dude’s a flop. I’ll say it. I actually think Austin Theory is a more complete project and I think that boy is a special type of buns! There's only so long the edgy promos can go before they become ho hum. Especially when it's the main plank of their character.
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Post by ppl591 on Feb 20, 2023 17:23:31 GMT -5
Had to double check to see if I don’t make this thread, lmaooo. But yeah, I think the dude is amauter hour. From the edge lord promos to the “no really, this what people think the Miz is”- in-ring skill set to the lack of compelling stories (how many f***ing times can you have your rival run through a cavalcade of goons!?), dude’s a flop. I’ll say it. I actually think Austin Theory is a more complete project and I think that boy is a special type of buns! There's only so long the edgy promos can go before they become ho hum. Especially when it's the main plank of their character. It's reached that point with me. Loved MJF when the company started. Now it's just rinse and repeat. I'll still never understand how Khan can make people have matches but when it comes to MJF he can decline the match. Unless you run this gauntlet. He had tremendous promo work in the punk feud. Especially his backstory promo. But now it's just low brow cheap heat. I'm very over this version of MJF and we have a long way to go im afraid
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Post by ghost on Feb 20, 2023 17:33:17 GMT -5
MJF was also great in the Wardlow feud, but of course even that was tainted a bit at the end. It's funny looking back at that feud. The drama surrounding that weekend overshadowed what should have been a star making moment for Wardlow. Then, after taking 10 powerbombs and being stretchered out, he comes back a few days later on Dynamite, completely no sells it, and does a stupid worked shoot effectively writing him off for a few months. Then he comes back, and after a tease of being a tweener/face, he goes right back to the EXACT same character he was prior to the worked shoot, thereby making that promo pointless in the end because it lead no where. Now, some of that could have been because Punk went insane and they had to pivot after that, but for some reason I think MJF would have went right back to this character regardless. It's what he loves and Tony seems to love it too.
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Post by chrom on Feb 20, 2023 17:35:44 GMT -5
Had to double check to see if I don’t make this thread, lmaooo. But yeah, I think the dude is amauter hour. From the edge lord promos to the “no really, this what people think the Miz is”- in-ring skill set to the lack of compelling stories (how many f***ing times can you have your rival run through a cavalcade of goons!?), dude’s a flop. I’ll say it. I actually think Austin Theory is a more complete project and I think that boy is a special type of buns! There's only so long the edgy promos can go before they become ho hum. Especially when it's the main plank of their character. If I wanted an edgelord, I'd play Shadow The Hedgehog.
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Post by Venti on Feb 20, 2023 17:42:26 GMT -5
To expand on my last post, I'd switch the title to Danielson at least just for a little while.
But that's not to say MJF is absolutely dead in the water. He's young, I think he can definitely improve. Just right now he's getting very repetitive. And it's not all just because of his material choices, part of it is his booking. If given something intriguing, like the walkout storyline or teasing face-turns, I think he's talented enough to knock it out of the park. It's just not working right now imo.
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