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Post by Pgarodactyl on Feb 18, 2023 19:19:20 GMT -5
I was coming into this thread to say that I've found Swerve to be a more compelling heel than MJF for a long time. Glad to see that I'm apparently not alone in this belief.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2023 19:22:47 GMT -5
i would absolutely f***ing love it if there was an angle like that "I'm the biggest bastard!" "NO, I AM!" this truly sounds SO much better than any face vs heel or face vs face rivalry could be god i want this to happen so bad now. just have them outevil each other, none of them even need to turn face after just have one of them have a limit and the eventual champion doesn't
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 18, 2023 19:51:13 GMT -5
"I'm the biggest bastard!" "NO, I AM!" this truly sounds SO much better than any face vs heel or face vs face rivalry could be god i want this to happen so bad now. just have them outevil each other, none of them even need to turn face after just have one of them have a limit and the eventual champion doesn't I do think you could use that to evolve the character of the one with a limit, though. Like, you don't have to turn them face, but you can kind of make them more of the "honorable demon" type compared to the one who just out-evil'd them.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 18, 2023 20:27:00 GMT -5
You had the frenemy relationship between Jericho and MJF that resulted in stuff like the musical number. That was incredible and both were heels trying to outdo each other.
Though that eventually resulted in MJF screwing over the entire Inner Circle and them turning face.
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Post by mrtuesday on Feb 18, 2023 20:42:21 GMT -5
It's the insistence on keeping MJF heel. He started getting some face reactions, but they doubled down on being heel. MJF is now doing some of the most boring promos just to not say something that would get a pop.
If they had played into the face reactions, at least make him a tweener, it would have been such a breath of fresh air that he needed. But they wasted it.
The whole "bidding war of 2024" wore out before his hiatus. Now he's seemed to have dropped it for now. But I wouldn't doubt he goes back to it before the summer starts.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Feb 18, 2023 20:43:48 GMT -5
-Swerve's doing the big evil heel stuff in an insanely fresher and more entertaining way, it's my personal bias but I really want Swerve in that big bad spot so seeing him kill it while MJF is treading water just has me like "OK let's speed this up to get to top villain Swerve please." Even Swerve's overall narrative is there so much more than MJF's with his storyline with Keith Lee having more story beats and character moments than like anything MJF has done so far as champion. Swerve talking with Kenny on his podcast about how the audience wants these big stories has me like "YES NOW YOU BE CHAMP AND TELL THOSE STORIES" Have they ever done an angle where one heel just simply "out-evils" another and takes the title from him? That'd put Swerve over pretty big. I want to say Sandman taking the ECW title off Shane Douglas, with Woman pretending to leave Sandman but then double-crossing the Franchise to help Sandman win. So you had a gold digger valet help a scumbag unseat a prick.
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Post by chrom on Feb 18, 2023 20:57:20 GMT -5
It's the insistence on keeping MJF heel. He started getting some face reactions, but they doubled down on being heel. MJF is now doing some of the most boring promos just to not say something that would get a pop. If they had played into the face reactions, at least make him a tweener, it would have been such a breath of fresh air that he needed. But they wasted it. The whole "bidding war of 2024" wore out before his hiatus. Now he's seemed to have dropped it for now. But I wouldn't doubt he goes back to it before the summer starts. If this keeps up, he can expect to find a few less zeroes on the offered contract than he was hoping for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2023 20:59:37 GMT -5
Take away his pretentious shoot promos you get The Miz…. And I hate The Miz.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2023 21:05:12 GMT -5
A part of it not working right is because we seen the same storyline 3 other times with MJF. We seen it with Cody, We saw it with Jericho, and Warlow. MJF putting people in front of him that that person has to win to face him and ext. Its copy and paste and makes it boring. So why would a 4th time with that angle anybody think that would be exciting? Yes the matches where great but MJF angle just been boring but its something we seen 3 other times. It doesn’t help Jericho is doing beat these other guys to get to me gimmick at the same time. It’s like when they were teasing both Hayter and Garcia turning at the same time, then neither did. Somebody should be doing quality control with TK because there’s just too much overlap of the same stories happening at the same time.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 19, 2023 0:31:18 GMT -5
Right now, the best thing that could happen for MJF as a character is if he just loses at Revolution. Said loss then leads to him growing unhinged that his big reign of terror ended before it could truly begin. Then you change him up so that he’s not “Mr. Cheap Heat” and just work towards making him a detestable heel w/o lazy cheap heat.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 0:53:18 GMT -5
His character is shot right now. He has the same problem Authority version of Seth did where you were basically booked as a main eventer already so when you got the actual title, the stories aren't really hitting
I think another thing that hurt him is the prospect of this title reign going a long time. In reality, he probably should be humiliated a bit and lose the title early only to possibly gain it back. I just don't see it in the cards tho cause right now TK is walking a tight rope of trying to appease MJF and give him a successful run while also actually trying to keep him beyond 2024
I have been wanting to give it a little while before really saying the title reign is shit but right now he def isn't hitting on all cylinders
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 0:55:08 GMT -5
You had the frenemy relationship between Jericho and MJF that resulted in stuff like the musical number. That was incredible and both were heels trying to outdo each other. Though that eventually resulted in MJF screwing over the entire Inner Circle and them turning face. I do think that if you are going to go with I am the biggest bastard ever character, you most likely have to go unconventional and have him fight other heels Now, whether he gets cheered over them is something you have to account for but he should be the number 1 enemy to everyone in the company
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Post by bearned on Feb 19, 2023 1:58:28 GMT -5
Best thing that could happen now is he goes the limit with Danielson, ultimately loses but gains his respect. He then is off TV for a few weeks before he returns and saves Bryan from a beatdown. Everyone thinks he’s full of crap but it’s a genuine ‘boy who cried wolf’ situation where he’s actually being a good guy for real this time and nobody trusts him. Run with MJF as a mega babyface looking for redemption for a couple of months as a character reset.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 19, 2023 4:49:51 GMT -5
The overly sincere face was the only time I've found him interesting in recent times. And that lasted for about three minutes.
His usual promo work is lazy and shite, I never understood why he was billed as being this generational mic guy.
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Post by King (Super) Dragunov on Feb 19, 2023 7:57:29 GMT -5
The overly sincere face was the only time I've found him interesting in recent times. And that lasted for about three minutes. His usual promo work is lazy and shite, I never understood why he was billed as being this generational mic guy. He has a good speaking voice. It's the same reason Dwayne is touted as this amazing promo. He's not. He's just a good talker. If you read their promos without context they're really bad, and cringey. MJF isn't being elevated by the Championship. The Championship isn't being elevated by MJF. It's lose lose right now. Going on all in on him the reluctant tweener was THE way to go. He would have been AEW's massive organic megastar, and his reign would be notable, and the title and he himself would be elevated by each other. He can still be a dick, he doesn't have to be a hand-slapping good guy. Just pivot and give his character some depth. Tony played it safe, and for everyone saying MJF is doing gauntlet #4 and it's old hat, no, Tony Khan is doing gauntlet #4 and it's old hat. At some point I hope TK takes a risk with the MJF character, because MJF has it in him to be THE guy in AEW. The dude is capable of so much more, but has been playing the same character since his, what, MLW days? It's boring, tired, and Swerve is doing everything as an evil bad guy a million times better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 13:37:54 GMT -5
His character is shot right now. He has the same problem Authority version of Seth did where you were basically booked as a main eventer already so when you got the actual title, the stories aren't really hitting I think another thing that hurt him is the prospect of this title reign going a long time. In reality, he probably should be humiliated a bit and lose the title early only to possibly gain it back. I just don't see it in the cards tho cause right now TK is walking a tight rope of trying to appease MJF and give him a successful run while also actually trying to keep him beyond 2024 I have been wanting to give it a little while before really saying the title reign is shit but right now he def isn't hitting on all cylinders Tony already fell off that tightrope with Punk. Trying to keep him happy to the detriment of the rest of the company.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2023 13:43:37 GMT -5
His character is shot right now. He has the same problem Authority version of Seth did where you were basically booked as a main eventer already so when you got the actual title, the stories aren't really hitting I think another thing that hurt him is the prospect of this title reign going a long time. In reality, he probably should be humiliated a bit and lose the title early only to possibly gain it back. I just don't see it in the cards tho cause right now TK is walking a tight rope of trying to appease MJF and give him a successful run while also actually trying to keep him beyond 2024 I have been wanting to give it a little while before really saying the title reign is shit but right now he def isn't hitting on all cylinders Tony already fell off that tightrope with Punk. Trying to keep him happy to the detriment of the rest of the company. Agreed I don't think he should be outright f***ing up plans if MJF isn't working as champion but he is stuck in a tricky position of giving him a title run worthy of what he has done for the company BUT also stuck in a bad spot that he could legit lose MJF in 202 It is a weird circumstance he finds himself in. Does MJF need a long title reign? Hell no but it is expected for a guy like him and them playing into the 2024 stuff
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Post by Instant Classic on Feb 19, 2023 13:59:10 GMT -5
I was all for him being champion until 2024, but he’s been champ for a couple months and it’s already a little stale. Hopefully he drops it by summers end.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 19, 2023 14:06:47 GMT -5
The overly sincere face was the only time I've found him interesting in recent times. And that lasted for about three minutes. His usual promo work is lazy and shite, I never understood why he was billed as being this generational mic guy. He has a good speaking voice. It's the same reason Dwayne is touted as this amazing promo. He's not. He's just a good talker. If you read their promos without context they're really bad, and cringey. MJF isn't being elevated by the Championship. The Championship isn't being elevated by MJF. It's lose lose right now. Going on all in on him the reluctant tweener was THE way to go. He would have been AEW's massive organic megastar, and his reign would be notable, and the title and he himself would be elevated by each other. He can still be a dick, he doesn't have to be a hand-slapping good guy. Just pivot and give his character some depth. Tony played it safe, and for everyone saying MJF is doing gauntlet #4 and it's old hat, no, Tony Khan is doing gauntlet #4 and it's old hat. At some point I hope TK takes a risk with the MJF character, because MJF has it in him to be THE guy in AEW. The dude is capable of so much more, but has been playing the same character since his, what, MLW days? It's boring, tired, and Swerve is doing everything as an evil bad guy a million times better. I’m an unabashed MJF mark but that’s all the nails on the head. Tony already fell off that tightrope with Punk. Trying to keep him happy to the detriment of the rest of the company. Agreed I don't think he should be outright f***ing up plans if MJF isn't working as champion but he is stuck in a tricky position of giving him a title run worthy of what he has done for the company BUT also stuck in a bad spot that he could legit lose MJF in 202 It is a weird circumstance he finds himself in. Does MJF need a long title reign? Hell no but it is expected for a guy like him and them playing into the 2024 stuff I really think Danielson winning would be the smart move. I’m not saying it’d be a miracle cure-all, but it could bring some revitalization to the product, even if only for a bit. But it doesn’t look to be going that way. Not with Eddie teasing the MJF feud and not with TK’s habit of “staying the course”, as shown by the Assboys beating the Acclaimed.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Feb 19, 2023 14:13:28 GMT -5
No you’re wrong, you’re just fickle
It might seem like you have legitimate issues with his character and booking and that doing the same thing over and over again will lead to diminishing returns but nope you’re just fickle is what it is
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