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Post by buckethead on Mar 8, 2023 18:25:22 GMT -5
This is the eye for talent and creative mind that, when ratings dropped in 98, kept with the main event scene that wasn't working, gave Hogan and Nash more power and hollowed out the mid card. Been said a million times but I'll say it again... It will forever blow my mind that WCW didn't move on from NWO and its main members the nanosecond Goldberg started getting red hot in 98. It was the only logical move at that point. They could've even rebranded themselves like WWF did with Attitude. It'll always be a head scratcher. |
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Post by chrom on Mar 8, 2023 18:29:20 GMT -5
Bischoff like Konnan is lying 90% of the time.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Mar 8, 2023 19:25:31 GMT -5
This is the eye for talent and creative mind that, when ratings dropped in 98, kept with the main event scene that wasn't working, gave Hogan and Nash more power and hollowed out the mid card. Been said a million times but I'll say it again... It will forever blow my mind that WCW didn't move on from NWO and its main members the nanosecond Goldberg started getting red hot in 98. It was the only logical move at that point. They could've even rebranded themselves like WWF did with Attitude. It'll always be a head scratcher. Because they were still doing incredible business and NWO merch was mainstream. |
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 8, 2023 21:43:47 GMT -5
Been said a million times but I'll say it again... It will forever blow my mind that WCW didn't move on from NWO and its main members the nanosecond Goldberg started getting red hot in 98. It was the only logical move at that point. They could've even rebranded themselves like WWF did with Attitude. It'll always be a head scratcher. Because they were still doing incredible business and NWO merch was mainstream. Yeah, they didn't need to completely move on from the nWo. They just really needed to rework it. I could see them downsizing it to Hall, Nash, Steiner, and maybe Buff. It could still be a hot act without needing to saturate everything with it. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 8, 2023 21:50:13 GMT -5
Been said a million times but I'll say it again... It will forever blow my mind that WCW didn't move on from NWO and its main members the nanosecond Goldberg started getting red hot in 98. It was the only logical move at that point. They could've even rebranded themselves like WWF did with Attitude. It'll always be a head scratcher. Because they were still doing incredible business and NWO merch was mainstream. Yeah, that, plus the nWo would eventually be a great thing for Goldberg to overcome. It's mostly an issue of, when he did, they didn't pivot. If nothing else, they could have probably shook things up by ejecting people, trim the fat a bit. For an "elite group", the nWo only rarely fired anybody, it feels like. |
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Post by tirtefaa on Mar 8, 2023 22:20:57 GMT -5
It will forever blow my mind that WCW didn't move on from NWO and its main members the nanosecond Goldberg started getting red hot in 98. It was the only logical move at that point. They could've even rebranded themselves like WWF did with Attitude. It'll always be a head scratcher. Yeah, I mean I understand keeping it going after Starcade '97. But after Goldberg won the title? Hogan, Flair, Savage and maybe even Sting should not have been winning the title after that. WCW was capable of having a strong class of world champions without their involvement; Goldberg, DDP, Bret, Benoit, Steiner, Booker T and others. I will also include Nash as long as he's held in check. |
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Post by natvreboytn on Mar 11, 2023 10:51:14 GMT -5
He was so 'not' over, that he was an integral part of Goldberg's US Title angle, and gave Goldberg what was probably one of his more competitive, longer matches on the Nitro that he won it from Raven.
I generally enjoy listening to Bischoff but at this point all he really does is lean in on these hot takes.
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Post by Doo Doo is a Ratings Expert on Mar 11, 2023 10:57:03 GMT -5
Was he not tanned enough for Bischoff's liking?
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Post by malloc on Mar 11, 2023 17:26:20 GMT -5
In a larger sense, does it make sense for any booker to hire a performer they don't understand? "I don't like it, but other people seem to, so I guess I'll try and book it" sounds like a recipe for disaster. It'd be like McMahon-era WWE hiring Orange Cassidy or Danhausen. Hired a Broken Matt Hardy |
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Post by malloc on Mar 11, 2023 17:27:41 GMT -5
Eric talks a LOT without really saying anything. He was in sales for a long time... |
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Mar 11, 2023 18:46:04 GMT -5
Raven was definitely over. When he and Saturn won the tag titles there were pretty good pops for them and that was after he had his legs cut out from under him.
Saw him live more than a few times in WCW and his reactions were always among the top
I will admit being biased since he is my all time favorite wrestler.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 11, 2023 19:07:44 GMT -5
Been said a million times but I'll say it again... It will forever blow my mind that WCW didn't move on from NWO and its main members the nanosecond Goldberg started getting red hot in 98. It was the only logical move at that point. They could've even rebranded themselves like WWF did with Attitude. It'll always be a head scratcher. Because they were still doing incredible business and NWO merch was mainstream. Goldberg was mainstream and a merch mover. Goldberg was in Universal Soldier The Return. Hollywood Hogan was in Muppets From Space. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 11, 2023 19:09:18 GMT -5
Raven and Saturn's feud was a major midcard highlight during 1998. That whole storyline mattered because people hated Raven.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Mar 11, 2023 19:25:56 GMT -5
So in other words, Raven wasn't over because I had no part in his creation.
Yeah Bischoff whatever you say.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Mar 11, 2023 22:12:01 GMT -5
See, people argue that they should have ended the nWo, but the nWo, and especially the Wolfpack, was still super over in ‘98 and was integral to WCW’s identity at that point. The brand WAS WCW/nWo. It wasn’t just a stable. It was a separate promotion without the brand split. (And I argue that it fading away in 1999 led to the product losing its identity.)
But Bischoff’s problem was not understanding WCW’s strength was its diversity. There was something for everyone. Those who loved the nWo and the defected WWF stars, kids who loved the dominance of Goldberg, those who gravitated to the grungier antics of Raven or the subversive Jericho, or the lucha or technical wrestlers which would lay down the template for what wrestling was to become in 15 years. Bischoff got into his head that everyone but the then current crop of main eventers were expendable, and that brought us into 1999 and the most miserable two years of any promotion.
In a way it’s befitting that Bischoff didn’t get Raven, since his leaving was a prelude to Bischoff’s own ouster a month later.
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Post by madness50 on Mar 12, 2023 1:48:44 GMT -5
If your name wasn’t Hulk Hogan, Bischoff didn’t care about you in WCW. Eric will always piss me off with his incredibly dumb takes and his non stop BS.
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Post by thehottag on Mar 12, 2023 2:19:48 GMT -5
To be fair it wasn't Bischoff or any of the higher ups who signed for that. A person making the game and doing the cover shoot was a massive fan of Raven and the Flock I always thought that it was because they led the four factions in the game - Goldberg (WCW), Hogan (nWo), Nash (Wolfpac) & Raven (Raven's Flock) |
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Mar 12, 2023 8:01:55 GMT -5
Because they were still doing incredible business and NWO merch was mainstream. Goldberg was mainstream and a merch mover. Goldberg was in Universal Soldier The Return. Hollywood Hogan was in Muppets From Space. The Muppets movie grossed higher at the box office and wasn't as much of a total loss... |
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 12, 2023 8:45:42 GMT -5
To be fair it wasn't Bischoff or any of the higher ups who signed for that. A person making the game and doing the cover shoot was a massive fan of Raven and the Flock I always thought that it was because they led the four factions in the game - Goldberg (WCW), Hogan (nWo), Nash (Wolfpac) & Raven (Raven's Flock) If I remember right Ravens Flock wasn't gonna be a big deal for the game but someone was a huge fan of his and put him in the game and such |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 12, 2023 10:16:03 GMT -5
Goldberg was mainstream and a merch mover. Goldberg was in Universal Soldier The Return. Hollywood Hogan was in Muppets From Space. The Muppets movie grossed higher at the box office and wasn't as much of a total loss... Yeah but one was a big role in a sequel to a popular movie that they expected would be a hit. The other was a short cameo in a kids movie with no longer relevant Muppets. You cant tell me that Universal Soldier wasnt the more desirable role. Hogan would have switched places in a second. It just didnt work out how they expected. |
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