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Post by mo on Feb 29, 2024 20:27:49 GMT -5
I've never understood the Cowboys hate I was 2 going on 3 the last time they won a superbowl so I didn't go through their dynasty and it's not like they've had huge playoff success since. So my question is why the hate? Is it literally just Jerry and the name brand recognition? The most popular team in the league, so the fanbase is going to be prominent. Yeah, we can be a loud and obnoxious bunch, but what fanbase isn’t? Compared to the less than savory reputations our fellow NFC East buddies in New York and Philadelphia have being too loud and annoying ain’t all that bad I suppose. Football fandom just makes people wacky, I guess. Lot of us Cowboys fans aren’t all that fond of Jerry either
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Post by sfvega on Feb 29, 2024 20:43:35 GMT -5
I've never understood the Cowboys hate I was 2 going on 3 the last time they won a superbowl so I didn't go through their dynasty and it's not like they've had huge playoff success since. So my question is why the hate? Is it literally just Jerry and the name brand recognition? Mostly media-driven. They get coverage when they're bad, they get more when they're average, and if they're anywhere near good it's going to be unbearable. It's the Notre Dame Effect, a concept I just made up.
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Post by BRV on Mar 1, 2024 10:35:33 GMT -5
Apple TV has released the first two episodes of "The Dynasty," a 10-part series about the New England Patriots of the 2000s. The first two episodes focus largely on the 2001 Patriots - the rise of Tom Brady, the quarterback controversy that emerged when Drew Bledsoe returned, the Snow Bowl - and if you're a Patriots fan, it's not really breaking any new ground. That said, it's well-done, it has interviews with every important key player in the Patriots' dynasty, and is probably a solid watch for any football fan, let alone fans of the Patriots. Aaaand it's gotten really bad, really quick. The show is called "The Dynasty." You know what they don't really discuss during the first four episodes? The actual dynasty. The first three episodes are about the 2001 season and what led to Super Bowl XXXVI and the Patriots' first championship in franchise history. They then totally gloss over the Patriots' Super Bowl championships in 2003 and 2004. There's maybe 90 seconds devoted to the entirety of the 2003 and 2004 seasons - when the Patriots established themselves as the premiere dominant franchise in the NFL. And then the fourth episode is all about Spygate, the 18-1 season, and Super Bowl XLII. It's just a baffling decision on the filmmakers' part. There were so many stories from those two seasons - trading Drew Bledsoe, Lawyer Milloy's release, "They hate their coach," bookending the season with 31-0 games against Bledsoe, Milloy, and the Buffalo Bills, the rivalry with the Colts, Brady vs. Manning, the 21-game win streak, the rivalry with the Steelers - and it's all ignored so they can go straight for the tabloid gossip. It would be like if there was a documentary made about the 2020s Chiefs, which devoted about two minutes to Super Bowls LVII and LVIII, but then spent an entire episode focused on the relationship between Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift. I'm not envisioning the show getting any better, because the remaining six episodes are about: Tom Brady's knee injury in 2008, Aaron Hernandez, Deflategate, Super Bowl LI (wow, an actual game!), Belichick vs. Brady, and the end of the dynasty. And now for the latest version of "I watch it so you don't have to." What are we even doing here? What is the purpose of all of this? Actually, I know what the purpose of this documentary is. It's a hagiography for Robert Kraft and one last twist of the knife into the back of Bill Belichick. Let's say the Patriots went something like 8-9 in 2023 and Bill Belichick were still the head coach heading into the upcoming season. I cannot imagine what his reaction would be to this series were he still patrolling the Patriots' sideline. Everything in this series so far has been done to undermine Belichick's accomplishments and achievements. The head coach is such a supporting character in the series that you forget he's even there for extended periods - only for him to pop back up when something's gone wrong. I'll get to the overall flaws of the last two episodes - there are many - but what's most stunning is the way the documentary tries to lay Aaron Hernandez's troubles at the feet of Bill Belichick. They recount a story about how Hernandez went to Belichick during the 2013 Scouting Combine and asked to be traded because he was fearing for his and his family's safety. The documentary posits that Belichick was heartless in his decision, that Hernandez was too good for the on-field product, and essentially suggests that were he traded, Odin Lloyd might still be alive to this day. Belichick is asked about it by the filmmaker and gives his typical Belichick non-answer. And they show clips of Belichick's 2013 training camp press conference - arguably his finest moment as Patriots coach, when he was thoughtful and introspective about the tragedy of Aaron Hernandez - but reduce it to, of course, the one non-answer he gave during the presser, so anyone who is watching it for the first time thinks he was typically brusque and blasé about a murder involving one of his players. As for the most notable flaws of the most recent episodes - which focus on the 2008 through 2013 Patriots, when they struggled to return to the Super Bowl after the Spygate fiasco and 18-1 season - there is entirely too much focus on Matt Cassel. He was a nice player who helped make the 2008 season more enjoyable when Patriots fans thought it ended the second Tom Brady's ACL tore in week one. But he gets probably the third-most screen time of the entire series so far aside from Kraft and Brady. They also weirdly show a Laurence Maroney fumble in Indianapolis in 2009 and talk about how the Patriots gave the game away - the same game in which the Patriots infamously went for it on 4th and 2 and didn't get it. HUH?? We're also now 13 years into the Dynasty and there have been zero mentions of Brady-Manning, the rivalry that literally defined an era of NFL football. This show is just so unbelievably bad. I can't get over how they've taken the greatest dynasty in NFL history and reduced it to this tabloid, click-bait, back-page docudrama.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 1, 2024 10:39:21 GMT -5
I've never understood the Cowboys hate I was 2 going on 3 the last time they won a superbowl so I didn't go through their dynasty and it's not like they've had huge playoff success since. So my question is why the hate? Is it literally just Jerry and the name brand recognition? Not just brand recognition, but how obnoxious the branding is with the "AMERICA'S TEAM!" bullshit and the "HOW 'BOUT DEM COWBOYS?".
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Mar 1, 2024 11:36:51 GMT -5
Aaaand it's gotten really bad, really quick. The show is called "The Dynasty." You know what they don't really discuss during the first four episodes? The actual dynasty. The first three episodes are about the 2001 season and what led to Super Bowl XXXVI and the Patriots' first championship in franchise history. They then totally gloss over the Patriots' Super Bowl championships in 2003 and 2004. There's maybe 90 seconds devoted to the entirety of the 2003 and 2004 seasons - when the Patriots established themselves as the premiere dominant franchise in the NFL. And then the fourth episode is all about Spygate, the 18-1 season, and Super Bowl XLII. It's just a baffling decision on the filmmakers' part. There were so many stories from those two seasons - trading Drew Bledsoe, Lawyer Milloy's release, "They hate their coach," bookending the season with 31-0 games against Bledsoe, Milloy, and the Buffalo Bills, the rivalry with the Colts, Brady vs. Manning, the 21-game win streak, the rivalry with the Steelers - and it's all ignored so they can go straight for the tabloid gossip. It would be like if there was a documentary made about the 2020s Chiefs, which devoted about two minutes to Super Bowls LVII and LVIII, but then spent an entire episode focused on the relationship between Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift. I'm not envisioning the show getting any better, because the remaining six episodes are about: Tom Brady's knee injury in 2008, Aaron Hernandez, Deflategate, Super Bowl LI (wow, an actual game!), Belichick vs. Brady, and the end of the dynasty. And now for the latest version of "I watch it so you don't have to." What are we even doing here? What is the purpose of all of this? Actually, I know what the purpose of this documentary is. It's a hagiography for Robert Kraft and one last twist of the knife into the back of Bill Belichick. Let's say the Patriots went something like 8-9 in 2023 and Bill Belichick were still the head coach heading into the upcoming season. I cannot imagine what his reaction would be to this series were he still patrolling the Patriots' sideline. Everything in this series so far has been done to undermine Belichick's accomplishments and achievements. The head coach is such a supporting character in the series that you forget he's even there for extended periods - only for him to pop back up when something's gone wrong. I'll get to the overall flaws of the last two episodes - there are many - but what's most stunning is the way the documentary tries to lay Aaron Hernandez's troubles at the feet of Bill Belichick. They recount a story about how Hernandez went to Belichick during the 2013 Scouting Combine and asked to be traded because he was fearing for his and his family's safety. The documentary posits that Belichick was heartless in his decision, that Hernandez was too good for the on-field product, and essentially suggests that were he traded, Odin Lloyd might still be alive to this day. Belichick is asked about it by the filmmaker and gives his typical Belichick non-answer. And they show clips of Belichick's 2013 training camp press conference - arguably his finest moment as Patriots coach, when he was thoughtful and introspective about the tragedy of Aaron Hernandez - but reduce it to, of course, the one non-answer he gave during the presser, so anyone who is watching it for the first time thinks he was typically brusque and blasé about a murder involving one of his players. As for the most notable flaws of the most recent episodes - which focus on the 2008 through 2013 Patriots, when they struggled to return to the Super Bowl after the Spygate fiasco and 18-1 season - there is entirely too much focus on Matt Cassel. He was a nice player who helped make the 2008 season more enjoyable when Patriots fans thought it ended the second Tom Brady's ACL tore in week one. But he gets probably the third-most screen time of the entire series so far aside from Kraft and Brady. They also weirdly show a Laurence Maroney fumble in Indianapolis in 2009 and talk about how the Patriots gave the game away - the same game in which the Patriots infamously went for it on 4th and 2 and didn't get it. HUH?? We're also now 13 years into the Dynasty and there have been zero mentions of Brady-Manning, the rivalry that literally defined an era of NFL football. This show is just so unbelievably bad. I can't get over how they've taken the greatest dynasty in NFL history and reduced it to this tabloid, click-bait, back-page docudrama. I'm enjoying your reviews. It sucks that it isn't as detailed with more actual football stuff like you laid out, but not surprising people in charge went celebrity driven shock value shit. Also who would you have trusted to make a better series? Not being a dick I'm genuinely wondering.
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Post by BRV on Mar 1, 2024 11:59:36 GMT -5
I'm enjoying your reviews. It sucks that it isn't as detailed with more actual football stuff like you laid out, but not surprising people in charge went celebrity driven shock value shit. Also who would you have trusted to make a better series? Not being a dick I'm genuinely wondering. It's not who's making it that's the problem. It's when it's being made that is the problem. As I've said in the past, the problem with "The Dynasty" is that they've been filming interviews over the last year or two. Bill Belichick was head coach of the Patriots. As far as I can tell, Tom Brady was still playing for the Buccaneers. You're not going to get the unfettered, unvarnished truth out of two guys who hold state secrets close to the chest out of the fear that an opponent could use any little quip or comment as an advantage in a future game. That's why Bill Belichick hasn't said squat this entire series, because what good does it do him to explain the advantages the Patriots got from filming opponents' signals or explaining the game plan that cost them Super Bowl LII? In his mind, that's just going to lead to an opponent saying, "Well, they benched Malcolm Butler against the Eagles because of X, Y, and Z. Maybe if we have that game plan, he'll change up his defense." An example is the 30 for 30s "The Two Bills" or "Four Falls of Buffalo." Belichick waxes poetically in both about his defensive scheme against the K-Gun Bills offense in Super Bowl XXV. That's because there's been enough distance that he can feel safe talking about a game plan that's now 30+ years old. There's a reason "The Last Dance" was filmed 20 years after the end of the Chicago Bulls' dynasty, and not two years after it. They wouldn't have gotten anything resembling honesty out of the likes of Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, or Phil Jackson while they were all still playing or coaching. Had they just waited five more years, I think they really could've gotten something special out of "The Dynasty," wherein everyone would have been removed enough from the past 20 years to really reminisce and celebrate all that was accomplished.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Mar 2, 2024 13:18:54 GMT -5
Huge L for the Niners as they promote a guy from within for D-coordinator (I’m actually okay with this, it worked swimmingly with Saleh and DeMeco) but also brought on Brandon Staley in maybe as Asst Head Coach role.
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Post by shockmasterscousin on Mar 2, 2024 21:21:03 GMT -5
I'd say the steelers should keep tomlin
Ik thats keeping the old status quo but heres my counterpoint: I'd rather have a consistently good football team than a football team that goes 0-16 or a team that has 20-30+ years of failure and no hope for even a wc spot in the playoffs
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 2, 2024 22:08:27 GMT -5
I've never understood the Cowboys hate I was 2 going on 3 the last time they won a superbowl so I didn't go through their dynasty and it's not like they've had huge playoff success since. So my question is why the hate? Is it literally just Jerry and the name brand recognition? I'm an Eagles fan It's woven into my DNA, just like hating the f***ing Mets
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 3, 2024 17:18:55 GMT -5
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Post by bob on Mar 3, 2024 19:02:27 GMT -5
RIP Chris Mortensen
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 3, 2024 19:15:45 GMT -5
RIP Chris Mortensen request to change the thread title to reflect his passing Done
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Post by Sam Punk on Mar 4, 2024 0:49:50 GMT -5
Sad to hear about Chris Mortensen. It's certainly deflating news.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 4, 2024 8:11:20 GMT -5
Yeah sucks about Mortensen. Haven’t watched much ESPN as I used to. Didn’t know his cancer came back, really thought he overcame the odds and beat it years ago.
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Post by mo on Mar 4, 2024 9:39:42 GMT -5
Mike Evans sticking around in Tampa
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Mar 4, 2024 10:55:57 GMT -5
Mike Evans sticking around in Tampa he already has ring, so it makes sense he isn't leaving. If he hadn't won a ring I would be like wtf?
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Post by BRV on Mar 4, 2024 11:31:29 GMT -5
Mike Evans was never going anywhere. He meant more to the Buccaneers than he did to any other franchise, and Tampa Bay was going to always give him one dollar more than any other franchise in free agency.
The question now is how much did this contract, plus the franchising of Tee Higgins, increase the price tag for Michael Pittman Jr. and Calvin Ridley, the only truly elite receivers on the free agent market? I don't expect either to get anywhere near the nine-figure salaries we've seen for the likes of Tyreek Hill, Davante Adams, and A.J. Brown, but both could land in the $50 million guaranteed, $20 million annually that were inked for guys like Keenan Allen, Amari Cooper, Terry McLaurin, and Deebo Samuel.
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Post by mo on Mar 4, 2024 13:15:57 GMT -5
Jason Kelce just announced his retirement
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Post by Cyno on Mar 4, 2024 16:24:46 GMT -5
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Post by jm on Mar 4, 2024 21:27:55 GMT -5
Worst trade in NFL history, and one of the worst in sports history. GM Paton should be fired immediately.
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