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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 23, 2023 14:45:52 GMT -5
Entertaining, without being thrilling (yet). Pretty certain if I was a big Star Wars Rebels fan, that would be the hook that really clinched it for me, and Rebels was just a bit too late in my fandom to have that real bond with it.
But I still liked it a bunch and want to see what happens next. They did a great job translating from animated to live actors, I like all the antagonists so far, and appreciate some added depth with Ahsoka not being your standard friend to everyone hero type.
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Post by prettynami on Aug 23, 2023 17:37:52 GMT -5
Personally I found it a bit underwhelming and disappointing.
THE GOOD: At least it has a coherent plot so far. The mystery "jedi" are interesting - particularly Baylon and the things he says. It's nice to see Sabine and Hera (And Chopper! Why wasn't there more chopper?!?!). It looked absolutely gorgeous - particularly the sets. The costumes (sans the republic troopers who look like dudes wearing pajamas) were also great! I liked the lady playing Sabine.
THE BAD: The dialogue writing, exposition scene direction, and the acting were.... Not good. Every scene with people talking felt so blah - poor blocking and "business" - so often people were just talking and not doing anything - The best example of this I can think of off the top of my head would be when Sabine is talking to Ashoka on her ship and instead of having them talk while Sabine is going over the details of the ship visually they separate them and the scene feels too long and slow. Hera had the same pose it in like 75 percent of her screen time - and either the director wasn't asking for it or Rosario Dawson doesn't have more than one emote. Its just the way the character scenes were composed really made the episodes drag which is sad to me because based on premise there was something there to work with. I also felt that Disney should stop naming their shows after the "lead" character over and over again - it slaps of a lack of creativity and I think it sets them up to have the "Where's Ashoka!?" comments down the line where you have an ensemble of interesting characters who could, and should, get significant episodes and screen time devoted to them.
Still, I am interested to see where this is going and I am not entirely sure what the motivations of all the bad guys are yet! I think there is a lot of potential, I just hope the execution gets better as it goes along.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 23, 2023 18:37:15 GMT -5
Just finished the first episode. I really enjoyed it. I loved the references to Rebels and the franchise in general. As I've said in the past, I hate this whole "we need to be accessible to new viewers" mindset that long running franchises seem to have nowadays. Bull pucky. You make the deepest cuts you can as often as you can and if anybody complains you tell them to do their damn homework. There's a wiki for everything nowadays and there are no excuses for not taking advantage of them. One complaint - {Spoiler}I was really disappointed that the "key" for the map turned out to simply be that it was a fancy Rubik's Cube. You're really telling me that Ahsoka and David Tennant-bot couldn't figure that out themselves? They needed to travel all the way to Lothal to get Sabine's "artist eye"?"
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Aug 23, 2023 19:41:37 GMT -5
I've never seen any Rebels episodes and only like the first 2 seasons of Clone Wars so I felt underwhelmed by most of it. These characters are essentially strangers to me but you're obviously supposed to know who they are and their history with one another. I also kept wanting to skip ahead in the story. Like yeah yeah she is going to solve this puzzle and get the map . . and yeah yeah they are going to figure out how to unlock the map . . get on with it. I guess maybe it reminded me too much of a rehash of two map MacGuffins from the sequel trilogy? I had to laugh at yet another character getting ran through with a lightsaber and surviving.
Is it just me or is there some bad acting in this? I felt like the characters were just standing around taking turns saying their lines. If people are having a disagreement wouldn't they at some point talk over one another? They all seemed to have the same low energy in their delivery. Seemed there were inordinately long pauses after some times before another character would speak too. It was bugging me.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 23, 2023 21:03:00 GMT -5
If you didn't watch Rebels I have a feeling you are going to be almost assuredly lost.
I'm only vaguely familiar with the characters but found it easy enough to follow... but still >_>
I did like the opening being literally hte opposite of A new Hope.. with red text crawl...
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 24, 2023 9:09:23 GMT -5
Just watched the first episode, it was ... ok. An intriguing plot. But, now I am not sure if this is because the actress was just f***ing terrible or the character herself, but Ahsoka herself was just devoid of anything resembling a personality. She was just dull. Sabine seemed like she could be interesting, but jesus ... show some life and personality. She seemed when she had her intro on the speeder and with the firey hair that she would be a fun, feisty firecracker. But instead, when she isn't whizzing around on her speeder and actually spoke, she was just dull. She was dull during the duel too---just showed zero personality at all. Now I never watched the cartoons they were in, but in her intro with the speeder, I thought was going to be fun and cocky. And in the duel, I was expecting her to be a bit of a show-off, taunting her opponent, pulling out fancy moves, fighting with a smile on her face. But she was just dull. Also {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I really hate Disney's new trend of just pulling jedi who survived the purge out of their arse.
Really makes Order 66 meaningless. And it's Disney. You just KNOW they're not going to stop there and we're going to see more Jedi who survived the purge crawling out of the woodwork.
THREE were introduced in this show!
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 24, 2023 9:11:35 GMT -5
Is it just me or is there some bad acting in this? I felt like the characters were just standing around taking turns saying their lines. If people are having a disagreement wouldn't they at some point talk over one another? They all seemed to have the same low energy in their delivery. Seemed there were inordinately long pauses after some times before another character would speak too. It was bugging me. I agree. Ahsoka and Sabine are just so devoid of personality, and I have no idea if that's the way the characters are written, or if the actresses are just terrible. It's just flat, dull and boring---like people having a board meeting at a big business. When Sabine was introduced, raicing along in the speeder and pulling off dangerous moves with her flaming hair, I thought "cool, she's going to be fun, cocky and full of life" She gets off the speeder and she's just a giant bore.
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 24, 2023 9:50:17 GMT -5
I may be alone in this but I loved Sabine in these first two episodes. I've watched Rebels and enjoyed her more than I expected to. I thought Ahsoka was the weakest part of the episodes though and that kills me because I love Ahsoka in virtually everything else.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 24, 2023 9:59:29 GMT -5
I may be alone in this but I loved Sabine in these first two episodes. I've watched Rebels and enjoyed her more than I expected to. I thought Ahsoka was the weakest part of the episodes though and that kills me because I love Ahsoka in virtually everything else. I only saw the first episode so far, but I just expected her to be more fun and energetic.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 24, 2023 13:37:57 GMT -5
Just watched the first episode, it was ... ok. An intriguing plot. But, now I am not sure if this is because the actress was just f***ing terrible or the character herself, but Ahsoka herself was just devoid of anything resembling a personality. She was just dull. Sabine seemed like she could be interesting, but jesus ... show some life and personality. She seemed when she had her intro on the speeder and with the firey hair that she would be a fun, feisty firecracker. But instead, when she isn't whizzing around on her speeder and actually spoke, she was just dull. She was dull during the duel too---just showed zero personality at all. Now I never watched the cartoons they were in, but in her intro with the speeder, I thought was going to be fun and cocky. And in the duel, I was expecting her to be a bit of a show-off, taunting her opponent, pulling out fancy moves, fighting with a smile on her face. But she was just dull. Also {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I really hate Disney's new trend of just pulling jedi who survived the purge out of their arse.
Really makes Order 66 meaningless. And it's Disney. You just KNOW they're not going to stop there and we're going to see more Jedi who survived the purge crawling out of the woodwork.
THREE were introduced in this show! That spoiler thing is not at all a Disney thing. They've been doing that for years in the old continuity. And Only 1 was introduced here as a fallen Jedi. The other was an Inquisitor (which was also a thing from old continuity) And his apprentice.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 24, 2023 13:37:57 GMT -5
I haven't had chance to watch it yet, but there's problems if people are questioning whether Rosario Dawson is a bad actor or not.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 24, 2023 13:56:50 GMT -5
That spoiler thing is not at all a Disney thing. They've been doing that for years in the old continuity. There was around 15 or 20 who got multiple appearances in the old EU, a lot of whom survived right through until the New Jedi Order. There was also a lot more who were basically cannon fodder for Vader in the intervening years between Order 66 and A New Hope. There were something like 10,000 Jedi Knights at the time of the Clone Wars, and almost as many Padawans. Assuming Order 66 wiped out 99% of them, that'd still leave anywhere between 100 and 200 Jedi roaming the galaxy, and I think 99% would be a very optimistic kill rate.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 24, 2023 14:43:47 GMT -5
Order 66 was a decisive blow against the Jedi but far from a final one. That's been canon old and new since Episode III first came out and before then. Don't blame Disney for doing something since, shit, the early 90's at least.
I dunno, watching this and complaining about having to watch Rebels or Clone Wars strikes me like being confused watching Return of the Jedi and complaining about having to watch Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back first.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Aug 24, 2023 15:50:05 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I dont seem to have the issue others seem to have with an apprentice/padawan not delivering an insta-kill blow or missing that blow and severely injuring instead.
Maul skewered Qui-gon just below/above the heart (dont remember the exact placement.) and through the spine while everyone else run through with a lightsabre seems to be to the side aiming for a lung or other survivable but long term agonizing injury. Maul was a bit blood thirsty & eager to go end as many Jedi as he could and would have had training from both Doku & Sidious to be a Jedi ending brute force monster.
Maul was a "point at the enemy and light the fuse and stand back, rage fuelled murder machine" type of minion, the rest seem to be a "take them down in pieces/wear them down a bit first, think things through so you dont get sliced in half" type of minion. I'll watch it as it's something to watch.
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Post by prettynami on Aug 24, 2023 17:40:58 GMT -5
Order 66 was a decisive blow against the Jedi but far from a final one. That's been canon old and new since Episode III first came out and before then. Don't blame Disney for doing something since, shit, the early 90's at least. I dunno, watching this and complaining about having to watch Rebels or Clone Wars strikes me like being confused watching Return of the Jedi and complaining about having to watch Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back first. Granted the screen time commitment of having to watch Star Wars or The Empire Strikes back is a little less than having to watch all those seasons of Rebels and Clone Wars. Hahaha.
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Post by prettynami on Aug 24, 2023 17:51:34 GMT -5
Is it just me or is there some bad acting in this? I felt like the characters were just standing around taking turns saying their lines. If people are having a disagreement wouldn't they at some point talk over one another? They all seemed to have the same low energy in their delivery. Seemed there were inordinately long pauses after some times before another character would speak too. It was bugging me. I agree. Ahsoka and Sabine are just so devoid of personality, and I have no idea if that's the way the characters are written, or if the actresses are just terrible. It's just flat, dull and boring---like people having a board meeting at a big business. When Sabine was introduced, raicing along in the speeder and pulling off dangerous moves with her flaming hair, I thought "cool, she's going to be fun, cocky and full of life" She gets off the speeder and she's just a giant bore. Ahsoka's live action character feels like a departure from her animated one that is for sure. In the animated series she is similar to Anakin, her master, but without the underlying "thirst for power" as Obi Wan would say in Revenge of the Sith. In live action she is a lot less emotive and more stoic.... Granted a lot of time has passed so she may be more "mature", but if you have watched the shows several times + like I have it is a bit ... Odd?
Sabine's character in Rebels I would describe as "teenage sassy" (with a lot of inner turmoil and dissatisfaction with her a lot of her life choices). Like she never felt as IN YOUR FACE as her art and their accompanying plot lines would indicate (And they had a thing where characters would constantly talk about how rebellious she was but she never seemed that out there to me). Her contrast mostly came from how strict about the rules Hera and Kanan were - and in turn when you compared her to how stuffy and conforming all the other Mandalorians you encountered on the show were. But like, if anything, Ezra was the one constantly rebelling against everything in Rebels. At times Sabine actually comes off as a very inner focused character, like all the splashy parts of her are more show than anything else. Still, they certainly have not accurately captured how snippy and comebacky she was - they need better dialogue.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 24, 2023 17:55:29 GMT -5
It's like people change as they mature and grow up or something. Ahsoka changed a lot between the beginning of Clone Wars and the end of Clone Wars. And changed a lot from there to Rebels. Sabine grew up a lot between the beginning and end of Rebels, too.
Like Sabine was 17 at the start of Rebels. She's like 30 in Ahsoka.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Aug 24, 2023 18:08:22 GMT -5
Order 66 was a decisive blow against the Jedi but far from a final one. That's been canon old and new since Episode III first came out and before then. Don't blame Disney for doing something since, shit, the early 90's at least. I dunno, watching this and complaining about having to watch Rebels or Clone Wars strikes me like being confused watching Return of the Jedi and complaining about having to watch Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back first. I would say it's more comparable to if they had made a show that is a sequel in a comic book story line and having not read the comics not having the investment in the show.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 25, 2023 3:16:03 GMT -5
That spoiler thing is not at all a Disney thing. They've been doing that for years in the old continuity. There was around 15 or 20 who got multiple appearances in the old EU, a lot of whom survived right through until the New Jedi Order. There was also a lot more who were basically cannon fodder for Vader in the intervening years between Order 66 and A New Hope. There were something like 10,000 Jedi Knights at the time of the Clone Wars, and almost as many Padawans. Assuming Order 66 wiped out 99% of them, that'd still leave anywhere between 100 and 200 Jedi roaming the galaxy, and I think 99% would be a very optimistic kill rate. The old EU has been dismissed as non-cannon though. And I would class Vader's crusade as part of Order 66. He was continuing it by hunting down the Jedi. I just don't like that now we are seeing so many survived past Vader's reign. Yoda and Obi-Wan and a handful of others should be it. Once we're getting to the 100s surviving, it starts opening questions and plotholes about why they didn't join the Rebellion, rather than just stay hiding out in the arse end of nowhere.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 25, 2023 3:17:47 GMT -5
I dunno, watching this and complaining about having to watch Rebels or Clone Wars strikes me like being confused watching Return of the Jedi and complaining about having to watch Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back first. Big difference is, Star Wars and Empire Strikes back are movies. Watching movies out of synch is stupid. Rebels and Clone Wars are cartoons. There's a big difference because most adults don't watch cartoons. Ahsoka should have been more accessible for people who never watched the cartoons.
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