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Post by yokohamacpfc on Apr 10, 2023 6:16:28 GMT -5
Someone on the mania pre-show called her Jane Cena (as a compliment) and that is where she is, too popular and wholesome to turn heel or even risk tweaking her character a bit, being a company girl and a minority role model just emphasizes this and in a contrast to Roman they are going old school WWF face champ fighting off the baddies one at a time route.
Best they can do is to not change her but change her opponents, Hogan had the giant to slay, the best friend who betrayed him, the mysterious weirdo who was as OP as he was, the turncoat who betrayed his country, and so on... Austin had the boss's avatar (Kane, Mankind), a satanic deadman, and the cocky young Rock as his foils.
Point is to give her more unique and personal feuds, not just woman x has won a few matches and has a title shot, Bianca beats woman x lol, woman y has won a few matches and has a title sh... etc etc etc.
This is also what they should have done during the OP Becky era too.
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Post by mistery on Apr 10, 2023 6:40:44 GMT -5
Eh. Comparing Bianca to John Cena is a bit of a stretch. Because John still faced way more adversity than Bianca has. I think Bianca has faced exactly ONE moment of adversity since being called up (Summerslam 2021). And even then she no sold it the very next show.
People can fault creative all they like (and they should), but part of this is on Bianca as well. A wood plank would sell people more as a threat and has better acting range.
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Post by mrtuesday on Apr 10, 2023 8:01:54 GMT -5
It is the year 2050, WrestleMania 66.
Bianca has broken the all-time Women's Championship record, holding the title for 10,228 days.
Across from her is a face she's very familiar with, both as an ally and as a rival. But the person attached is someone new.
"The Big Freakin' Man" Rebby Rollins Tylor Knox Roux Black Quincy Lopez Sarah Flame looks around the packed stadium. Her mother and father in the front row.
The match has been hyped for weeks on being 28 years in the making. Bianca started her historic reign defeating Becky Lynch at WrestleMania. Now, can Becky's daughter end it?
No. As for the last 28 years, Bianca overcomes the odds. Although, her KOD doesn't look as impactful as it once did.
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 10, 2023 8:05:05 GMT -5
Someone on the mania pre-show called her Jane Cena (as a compliment) and that is where she is, too popular and wholesome to turn heel or even risk tweaking her character a bit, being a company girl and a minority role model just emphasizes this and in a contrast to Roman they are going old school WWF face champ fighting off the baddies one at a time route. Best they can do is to not change her but change her opponents, Hogan had the giant to slay, the best friend who betrayed him, the mysterious weirdo who was as OP as he was, the turncoat who betrayed his country, and so on... Austin had the boss's avatar (Kane, Mankind), a satanic deadman, and the cocky young Rock as his foils. Point is to give her more unique and personal feuds, not just woman x has won a few matches and has a title shot, Bianca beats woman x lol, woman y has won a few matches and has a title sh... etc etc etc. This is also what they should have done during the OP Becky era too.
The problem with that is Bianca's beaten virtually everyone on the roster already. It's also difficult to give her feuds personal stakes when the EST is such an abstraction of a character.
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Post by mistery on Apr 10, 2023 8:29:50 GMT -5
Yeah, the big difference between this insufferably long reign and Becky's OP era is that Becky was a hell of a lot less selfish in the ring during the feud, and actually sold herself as being desperate to retain the title, taking as many shortcuts as she could. Where with Bianca she not only no sells whoever she's feuding with in the buildup, but also constantly forgets to sell during the actual matches as well, and is incredibly selfish in the ring.
It's why I hope she drops the title soon after she breaks Becky's record, and doesn't get back into the title scene until next year at the earliest. She needs to spend time a bit lower on the card until she learns how to sell others as threats, and face some actual adversity.
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Post by mrtuesday on Apr 10, 2023 8:46:10 GMT -5
Yeah, the big difference between this insufferably long reign and Becky's OP era is that Becky was a hell of a lot less selfish in the ring during the feud, and actually sold herself as being desperate to retain the title, taking as many shortcuts as she could. Where with Bianca she not only no sells whoever she's feuding with in the buildup, but also constantly forgets to sell during the actual matches as well, and is incredibly selfish in the ring. It seems to be a thing I notice with those trained completely in the PC, and those that weren't. Those trained completely in the PC have an issue selling in general vs those that had training prior to being signed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 9:06:26 GMT -5
Everything about her gimmick just screams heel to me. I'd be interested to see if she connected any better if they turned her.
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Post by mistery on Apr 10, 2023 12:59:28 GMT -5
So guess what? A match rumored for RAW per WRKD: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Bianca Belair vs Iyo Sky, because god forbid Iyo get any sort of momentum at all.
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Post by sunnytaker on Apr 10, 2023 13:01:26 GMT -5
Everything about her gimmick just screams heel to me. I'd be interested to see if she connected any better if they turned her. it's how sasha's BOSS gimmick never really felt right when she was a face. or charlotte as a face calling herself the Queen
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 10, 2023 14:29:20 GMT -5
I don’t even know where to begin to start fixing all this. And I mean an actual division-wide solution, not just “My favourite should be champion, this person that wins too much should be jobbed out with prejudice, and f*** everyone else as long as I get mine”. One of the serious suggestions from previously was “More midcard storylines for the women”, which… You know, sure, but you have to figure out how to fit that within the overall show, taking into consideration the men’s midcard as well. Juggling all these balls, which ones do you allow to fall for the greater good? Well, I mention this in another thread but Vince's overall booking philosophy for women is that there are 4-6 women that matter, and no one else does. The benefit is you get matches that feel important because there is a lot of hype when the few stars start facing each other (like Becky vs Rhea for summer slam will be a big match). The downside of course is the rest of the time it's the stars beating up on the nonstars. So it depends on what you want out of a division. Vince's approach makes new stars (Bianca and Alexa Bliss way back when) but for some that harm the health of the division because they steamroll everyone to get there. I am less confident Hunter can make a star in that mold but probably will give more mid-card women some shine. For example, if both Vince and HHH felt that Raquel is a superstar in the making, I have more confidence that Vince can make her a star because he won't carry who he feeds to make her look good. Hunter seems to take a much slower approach to things.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 10, 2023 14:41:52 GMT -5
I don’t even know where to begin to start fixing all this. And I mean an actual division-wide solution, not just “My favourite should be champion, this person that wins too much should be jobbed out with prejudice, and f*** everyone else as long as I get mine”. One of the serious suggestions from previously was “More midcard storylines for the women”, which… You know, sure, but you have to figure out how to fit that within the overall show, taking into consideration the men’s midcard as well. Juggling all these balls, which ones do you allow to fall for the greater good? Well, I mention this in another thread but Vince's overall booking philosophy for women is that there are 4-6 women that matter, and no one else does. The benefit is you get matches that feel important because there is a lot of hype when the few stars start facing each other (like Becky vs Rhea for summer slam will be a big match). The downside of course is the rest of the time it's the stars beating up on the nonstars. So it depends on what you want out of a division. Vince's approach makes new stars (Bianca and Alexa Bliss way back when) but for some that harm the health of the division because they steamroll everyone to get there. I am less confident Hunter can make a star in that mold but probably will give more mid-card women some shine. For example, if both Vince and HHH felt that Raquel is a superstar in the making, I have more confidence that Vince can make her a star because he won't carry who he feeds to make her look good. Hunter seems to take a much slower approach to things. Well to be fair Triple H has kind of booked the division in the same way as far as 4-6 women being spotlighted and nobody else getting any love. Since he took over the only women presented as mattering have been Bianca, Rhea, Charlotte, Ronda, Becky, and Bayley. With brief periods of Alexa and Asuka sprinkled in when and even with them they were just used as tools to prop Bianca up even more both as her partners and then as rivals to be fed to her. And all of those women were already stars and pushed as top girls when Vince was in charge. So he didn't feature anyone different to attempt to make some new stars. I guess you could argue Dakota and Iyo but they were more just Bayley's lackies so I don't know if you could even say them either.
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Post by XIII on Apr 10, 2023 15:12:48 GMT -5
Bianca is OG Mr. Perfect if he was presented as a face. LMAO
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Post by john84 on Apr 10, 2023 18:30:11 GMT -5
Bianca is OG Mr. Perfect if he was presented as a face. LMAO LOL I do see some similarities between the two in terms of characterisation now that you mention it.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Apr 15, 2023 12:56:43 GMT -5
At this point, you should count overall Women's Champions in WWE. WWE recognizes the Fabulous Moolah as their first Women's Champion. Having one continuous uninterrupted title run between 1956 and 1984, and ignores any loses during that time. So that's what I will go with. Fabulous Moolah (1st reign) - 10,170 days Rockin' Robin - 501 days Trish Stratus (6th reign) - 448 days Sensational Sherri - 440 days Fabulous Moolah (3rd reign) - 380 days As for the Divas Championship, the longest reign was Nikki Bella's 2nd regin at 301 days. Which Bianca has already surpassed. Added!
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 15, 2023 13:43:58 GMT -5
Bianca Belair has been booked like a goddess since she came up to MR. I don’t think she’s lost Even 10 matches total since she came up years ago.
I don’t think she’s lost a single match where there wasn’t some kind of screwiness involved. And she almost never looks vulnerable either.
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 15, 2023 21:54:40 GMT -5
Bianca Belair has been booked like a goddess since she came up to MR. I don’t think she’s lost Even 10 matches total since she came up years ago. I don’t think she’s lost a single match where there wasn’t some kind of screwiness involved. And she almost never looks vulnerable either. She's been pinned eight times, but only twice clean, and you have to go back quite a while for those. These were in the 25 December 2020 Smackdown (pinned after a combined Codebreaker/Natural Selection), and the 2019 Survivor Series (pinned after a Natalya/Sasha Hart Attack).
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Post by mistery on Apr 16, 2023 6:58:04 GMT -5
Interesting little note from last night's house show is that Asuka was MASSIVELY more over than Bianca was with fans. And this wasn't some smarky market either, it was Rio Rancho, filled with super casual fans. They were also booing the hell out of Bianca whenever she went after Asuka.
That alone should tell WWE that Bianca as champ is no longer working and its time to dial back significantly on her push.
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 16, 2023 13:02:26 GMT -5
Interesting little note from last night's house show is that Asuka was MASSIVELY more over than Bianca was with fans. And this wasn't some smarky market either, it was Rio Rancho, filled with super casual fans. They were also booing the hell out of Bianca whenever she went after Asuka. That alone should tell WWE that Bianca as champ is no longer working and its time to dial back significantly on her push. Source, out of curiosity? That sounds pretty dramatic.
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Post by mistery on Apr 16, 2023 13:15:59 GMT -5
Interesting little note from last night's house show is that Asuka was MASSIVELY more over than Bianca was with fans. And this wasn't some smarky market either, it was Rio Rancho, filled with super casual fans. They were also booing the hell out of Bianca whenever she went after Asuka. That alone should tell WWE that Bianca as champ is no longer working and its time to dial back significantly on her push. Source, out of curiosity? That sounds pretty dramatic. Don't think I'm allowed to link videos of house shows here, but you can find it on YouTube fairly easily.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 16, 2023 13:47:56 GMT -5
Bianca Belair has been booked like a goddess since she came up to MR. I don’t think she’s lost Even 10 matches total since she came up years ago. I don’t think she’s lost a single match where there wasn’t some kind of screwiness involved. And she almost never looks vulnerable either. She's been pinned eight times, but only twice clean, and you have to go back quite a while for those. These were in the 25 December 2020 Smackdown (pinned after a combined Codebreaker/Natural Selection), and the 2019 Survivor Series (pinned after a Natalya/Sasha Hart Attack).
What was the December 2020 Smackdown match? Obviously Charlotte was involved in some way. A three way against Charlotte and Sasha? Also didn't she get pinned by Bayley around that time? Bayley also wasn't allied with anyone at that point either so I don't think there was interference either. I'm sure she still cheated somehow but getting a pin on Bianca without interference is impressive just because simply because it almost never happens.
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