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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 16, 2023 13:49:59 GMT -5
Source, out of curiosity? That sounds pretty dramatic. Don't think I'm allowed to link videos of house shows here, but you can find it on YouTube fairly easily. Hmm. I just saw Matt Kempe's video and the crowd does like Asuka, but they also definitely like Bianca even if it's all her usual spots, right down to the 'can Bianca KOD Piper? (....yes)' at the end.
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 16, 2023 13:51:27 GMT -5
She's been pinned eight times, but only twice clean, and you have to go back quite a while for those. These were in the 25 December 2020 Smackdown (pinned after a combined Codebreaker/Natural Selection), and the 2019 Survivor Series (pinned after a Natalya/Sasha Hart Attack).
What was the December 2020 Smackdown match? Obviously Charlotte was involved in some way. A three way against Charlotte and Sasha? Also didn't she get pinned by Bayley around that time? Bayley also wasn't allied with anyone at that point either so I don't think there was interference either. I'm sure she still cheated somehow but getting a pin on Bianca without interference is impressive just because simply because it almost never happens. The December match was a Charlotte/Asuka vs Sasha/Bianca vs Bayley/Carmella elimination, probably the only match of note during the Charlotte/Asuka reign. And the Bayley pin was because Bayley raked her eyes, so not interference, but also definitely far from clean.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Apr 16, 2023 13:58:57 GMT -5
Interesting little note from last night's house show is that Asuka was MASSIVELY more over than Bianca was with fans. And this wasn't some smarky market either, it was Rio Rancho, filled with super casual fans. They were also booing the hell out of Bianca whenever she went after Asuka. That alone should tell WWE that Bianca as champ is no longer working and its time to dial back significantly on her push. www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4hwTiB5J4Please tell me where in this match people were "booing the hell out of Bianca." This isn't the first time you've done this. You obviously dislike Bianca to quite a great degree and are desperate for crowds to turn on her. You're allowed to not like someone but please stop with the misleading narratives.
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Post by john84 on Apr 16, 2023 14:39:16 GMT -5
Interesting little note from last night's house show is that Asuka was MASSIVELY more over than Bianca was with fans. And this wasn't some smarky market either, it was Rio Rancho, filled with super casual fans. They were also booing the hell out of Bianca whenever she went after Asuka. That alone should tell WWE that Bianca as champ is no longer working and its time to dial back significantly on her push. www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4hwTiB5J4Please tell me where in this match people were "booing the hell out of Bianca." This isn't the first time you've done this. You obviously dislike Bianca to quite a great degree and are desperate for crowds to turn on her. You're allowed to not like someone but please stop with the misleading narratives. Bbbbbuuuuttt...MY NARRATIVE!!!
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 16, 2023 15:12:21 GMT -5
Thing is, if Bianca is still popular then she doesn’t need the belt to maintain it.
By contrast, the division overall desperately needs a refresh.
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Post by gl83 on Apr 16, 2023 15:39:10 GMT -5
Thing is, if Bianca is still popular then she doesn’t need the belt to maintain it. By contrast, the division overall desperately needs a refresh. Bianca's title reign right now is really reminding me of the last few months of Shayna's NXT title reign. By that I mean, we got the building blocks of a good division and there's some interesting things going on around it(NXT had IYO building momentum as a Heel/Dakota's Heel turn/Rhea's return to the States; Raw currently has the impending "Damage Ctrl implosion/ they're setting up the Becky/Trish feud), the problem is that the title picture is dull and stale as heck.
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Post by ultrakill on Apr 16, 2023 20:13:16 GMT -5
misteryHaving just seen that clip, I have this to say: Please stop coping about your delusions about what people think of Bianca. Just accept that Asuka isn't going to get a title reign again because WWE doesn't like or value her. No one wants a title unification match except WWE themselves, and WWE always gets their way. Iyo ain't winning either, but has fully replaced Asuka as the Japanese woman who gets pushed from time to time. Because guess what? Asuka isn't going to be on RAW this week, again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 20:26:09 GMT -5
I aint getting into whatever house show etc.
To me Bianca's reign needs to end because it is actively damaging the women on Raw not just the division but the women because none of them are remotely positioned as a threat to her and a large part of that is Bianca's whole characterization.
For all her athletic gifts she is a complete one note talent.
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Post by ultrakill on Apr 16, 2023 20:31:22 GMT -5
I aint getting into whatever house show etc. To me Bianca's reign needs to end because it is actively damaging the women on Raw not just the division but the women because none of them are remotely positioned as a threat to her and a large part of that is Bianca's whole characterization. For all her athletic gifts she is a complete one note talent. And that's why it'll continue. WWE loves damaging everyone that isn't their chosen ones and for their talents to be as one note and untalented as possible. Guess what Asuka isn't? Both of those. They despise people who upstage their chosen ones, unintentionally or otherwise.
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Post by mistery on Apr 16, 2023 20:36:48 GMT -5
I aint getting into whatever house show etc. To me Bianca's reign needs to end because it is actively damaging the women on Raw not just the division but the women because none of them are remotely positioned as a threat to her and a large part of that is Bianca's whole characterization. For all her athletic gifts she is a complete one note talent. To be honest, while Bianca is strong and athletic, she just flat out sucks at psychology and filling in the air between big spots. She'll just outright forget to sell, and she hesitates constantly. It doesn't help that all of her matches follow the same formula of: Bianca beats up the other woman (or women) for 95% of the match, and no sells the offense of the other women for that other 5%. Because they don't get to string any sort of real offense before she yanks control back. They might get one or two moves in, but then its immediately back to Bianca running them over. I would go as far to say that working with Bianca right now is the most harmful thing that can happen to you right now in WWE if you are a woman. Because it's pretty clear she doesn't know how to sell worth a damn, and she never sells the other person as a threat. Ever. Say what you will about Roman's run as champion, but at least he sells the people he's facing as a threat, and will constantly cut corners to win, and even during his matches has looked in danger of losing a few times. Where that has never been the case with Bianca. I don't expect her to cut corners since she's a face, but absolutely none of her matches have any suspense. I don't know if it was posted here or not, but someone suggested that she get Okada'd and lose the title in a shock fashion, and have a downward spiral arc before regaining her confidence and chasing after Rhea for her title. But that would be too complex for WWE.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Apr 16, 2023 20:43:22 GMT -5
Look, I have no problem telling it the way it is regarding crowd reactions. For example, I despise Gallus and I can admit they're not over with crowds whatsoever.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 16, 2023 20:52:14 GMT -5
Yeah Bianca’s issue is that, and IDK if it’s her doing or if WWE wants it this way. But her selling in ring is inconsistent at best and she doesn’t really sell her opponents getting to her outside the ring either.
It’s even more noticeable when you have Rhea as the other champ and she is brilliant at doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 21:03:35 GMT -5
Yeah Bianca’s issue is that, and IDK if it’s her doing or if WWE wants it this way. But her selling in ring is inconsistent at best and she doesn’t really sell her opponents getting to her outside the ring either. It’s even more noticeable when you have Rhea as the other champ and she is brilliant at doing it. And for a woman Bianca's size IMO selling should be her top priority because it is so noticable that she is giving next to nothing for her opponent to work with.
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Post by mistery on Apr 16, 2023 21:05:46 GMT -5
Yeah Bianca’s issue is that, and IDK if it’s her doing or if WWE wants it this way. But her selling in ring is inconsistent at best and she doesn’t really sell her opponents getting to her outside the ring either. It’s even more noticeable when you have Rhea as the other champ and she is brilliant at doing it. Yeah. I was bored so I went to check on her win/loss records, and not counting house shows for obvious reasons, it shows just how absurdly strong she booked. I'm only counting singles matches here, by the way: Her worst year in WWE was in 2019, where she went 8/4/2, with a 57.1% win rate. Not counting 2023 as its still ongoing (she is undefeated this year), her best year is 2022, where she had 21 matches, and her record there was 17/2/2, with an 81% win rate. Which is incredibly high by WWE standards. I think the only person with a higher winrate than her in 2022 singles wise was Roman Reigns. But to put it into perspective of how protected Bianca actually is, if you combine all of the years she's been active, singles and multiperson wise she has a higher win rate than Roman Reigns. So uh...yeah. To say Bianca is booked strongly is an understatement. The problem is that unlike Roman, she never looks weak either. And it's been pretty telling that the few times she has looked weak, she no sells it the following week, rendering that beatdown moot.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Apr 16, 2023 21:21:41 GMT -5
Look, I have no problem telling it the way it is regarding crowd reactions. For example, I despise Gallus and I can admit they're not over with crowds whatsoever. They’re over with me though, and that’s what really matters. #gbot
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 21:30:53 GMT -5
It is a completely out of her league comparison but Bianca and the writers in general can stand to just sit down and just watch Tam and Giulia just yank at your f***ing soul emotionally to sell their coming title match.
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 16, 2023 21:49:24 GMT -5
I aint getting into whatever house show etc. To me Bianca's reign needs to end because it is actively damaging the women on Raw not just the division but the women because none of them are remotely positioned as a threat to her and a large part of that is Bianca's whole characterization. For all her athletic gifts she is a complete one note talent. To be honest, while Bianca is strong and athletic, she just flat out sucks at psychology and filling in the air between big spots. She'll just outright forget to sell, and she hesitates constantly. It doesn't help that all of her matches follow the same formula of: Bianca beats up the other woman (or women) for 95% of the match, and no sells the offense of the other women for that other 5%. Because they don't get to string any sort of real offense before she yanks control back. They might get one or two moves in, but then its immediately back to Bianca running them over.
I watched the Mania match with Asuka again, and though I do feel it's Bianca's best match since at least Summerslam with Becky, even that still has this basic issue. The match is built on commentary as about Bianca's power vs Asuka's submissions, but then in the actual match Asuka never really sinks anything in because Bianca's almost immediately countering or transitioning to another strength spot. As a result, there's no suspense and it feels like a bunch of (generally well executed) moves rather than a story.
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Post by mistery on Apr 16, 2023 22:02:26 GMT -5
To be honest, while Bianca is strong and athletic, she just flat out sucks at psychology and filling in the air between big spots. She'll just outright forget to sell, and she hesitates constantly. It doesn't help that all of her matches follow the same formula of: Bianca beats up the other woman (or women) for 95% of the match, and no sells the offense of the other women for that other 5%. Because they don't get to string any sort of real offense before she yanks control back. They might get one or two moves in, but then its immediately back to Bianca running them over.
I watched the Mania match with Asuka again, and though I do feel it's Bianca's best match since at least Summerslam with Becky, even that still has this basic issue. The match is built on commentary as about Bianca's power vs Asuka's submissions, but then in the actual match Asuka never really sinks anything in because Bianca's almost immediately countering or transitioning to another strength spot. As a result, there's no suspense and it feels like a bunch of (generally well executed) moves rather than a story.
Yup, and its one of several reasons why Bianca is cooling off. None of her matches have any suspense. It will have power spots (from her), but that's literally it. I don't know if she's unable to sell, or WWE isn't letting her, but its utterly atrocious. And I'm leaning towards option 1, because even in NXT she had the same exact problem of never really selling all that well. She's about as bad as the day she had her first real major match during the MYC when it comes to selling.
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Post by ultrakill on Apr 17, 2023 1:41:33 GMT -5
I watched the Mania match with Asuka again, and though I do feel it's Bianca's best match since at least Summerslam with Becky, even that still has this basic issue. The match is built on commentary as about Bianca's power vs Asuka's submissions, but then in the actual match Asuka never really sinks anything in because Bianca's almost immediately countering or transitioning to another strength spot. As a result, there's no suspense and it feels like a bunch of (generally well executed) moves rather than a story.
Yup, and its one of several reasons why Bianca is cooling off. None of her matches have any suspense. It will have power spots (from her), but that's literally it. I don't know if she's unable to sell, or WWE isn't letting her, but its utterly atrocious. And I'm leaning towards option 1, because even in NXT she had the same exact problem of never really selling all that well. She's about as bad as the day she had her first real major match during the MYC when it comes to selling. And since when does WWE care about the deficiencies of their chosen ones? If anything, they probably love the fact that Bianca can't sell for shit. It'll make her look far better if she no sells Rhea at the title unification match at WM40 next year. (According to them.) I don't even expect Asuka to be on the card or even employed at WWE next year. They hate her. Why would they keep her off TV? Because they don't want people to care about her when she gets inevitably thrown out of the company because WWE are assholes.
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Post by 06vwgti on Apr 17, 2023 19:47:06 GMT -5
I've tried to enjoy Bianca's work, but kind of like Charlotte, there is a Performance Center style that feels off for me that I usually don't get with those who've spent time outside of the WWE system
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