salz4life
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Post by salz4life on Mar 25, 2024 11:44:27 GMT -5
Like most of Asuka's title reigns she's usually treated like the third most important wrestler... like the time when the big women's storyline going in to mania was Charlotte vs. Lacey... when Asuka was the champion... And that's a problem WWE still hasn't been able to completely shake. It's not enough to be the champion. You need to be presented as more important than whoever has been previously presented as the most important. In the case of the women : It doesn't matter how many accolades you get, how many wins, how many titles. All that matters is if you're presented as more important than Charlotte. Her NXT run was better than anything she has done on the main roster. She was booked like an unstoppable force in NXT and she deserved every bit of it. She had an unbeatable aura that you truly believed in, IMO.
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Post by XIII on Mar 25, 2024 12:05:30 GMT -5
My problem with Asuka’s early booking was that she forfeited the NXT title and thus no one from NXT got the rub of ending her run there, went to the main roster, won the Rumble and stayed undefeated but going 50/50 at best with all of her opponents no matter what, only to lose to Charlotte at WM and after the match say how Charlotte was ready for Asuka…and then Cena goes sprinting by because he was in the crowd and wanted a match with Taker thus not even allowing the moment any space to mean much of anything. In no world can anyone convince me that was good booking. WWE going to WWE though.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 25, 2024 12:12:57 GMT -5
My problem with Asuka’s early booking was that she forfeited the NXT title and thus no one from NXT got the rub of ending her run there, went to the main roster, won the Rumble and stayed undefeated but going 50/50 at best with all of her opponents no matter what, going 50/50 was exactly how she was booked in NXT too. She went 50/50 with green as hell Dana Brooke in one of her first feuds. She wasn't mowing opponents down save for like 2 jobber squashes. she just weathered the storm and picked her shot to win.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 25, 2024 12:25:28 GMT -5
Where they really first started blowing it with Asuka was having her for some reason start out by having a pair of drawn out, competitive matches with Emma, who was both a complete jobber and fired like two days later anyway.
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Post by eJm on Mar 25, 2024 13:15:45 GMT -5
Where they really first started blowing it with Asuka was having her for some reason start out by having a pair of drawn out, competitive matches with Emma, who was both a complete jobber and fired like two days later anyway. Emma was also one of the people she squashed in NXT before so if you're trying to get NXT viewers to follow her to the main roster...great first impression, there.
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Post by anglarite on Mar 25, 2024 13:26:22 GMT -5
Goldberg vs Rayback... book it.
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Post by mistery on Mar 25, 2024 13:55:33 GMT -5
Asuka's momentum was basically killed three times on in the main roster in the same general timeframe. First to Charlotte, then to Carmella, and then to Charlotte again. Hell, she should have absolutely destroyed Carmella in hindsight, especially considering the only noteworthy thing to come out of Carmella's reign was James Ellsworth basically being outed as a pedophile.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 25, 2024 14:12:18 GMT -5
So what are you all saying, she’s a joke and her run so far is a total failure? Tell me I’m blowing your view on her booking out of proportion.
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Post by mistery on Mar 25, 2024 14:20:37 GMT -5
So what are you all saying, she’s a joke and her run so far is a total failure? Tell me I’m blowing your view on her booking out of proportion. No one is saying that, however, her run could have been booked significantly better than it has been. Charlotte didn't need the streak (despite her claiming otherwise), Carmella should have failed her cash in since she had negative levels of momentum and was pretty much universally agreed upon to be awful at the time, and again, Charlotte didn't need to go over Asuka like two weeks before Mania, just because her feelings were hurt because of that ESPN interview. I would also argue that while she has a lot of accolades, she is missing one very important one: A strong win at Wrestlemania. They had the perfect opportunity last year to do it, but decided that Bianca breaking the RAW Women's Title record was more important (even though it wasn't). And we all know she isn't going to win this year at Mania either, because odds are very good if she's medically cleared, she's getting fed to Naomi and Bianca (and possibly Jade). We don't know how much longer Asuka is going to be doing this for. Because if she retires without a strong Mania win on her record, that'll be a pretty huge stain on her legacy.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 25, 2024 14:26:54 GMT -5
So what are you all saying, she’s a joke and her run so far is a total failure? Tell me I’m blowing your view on her booking out of proportion. Not a joke, but as far as WWE goes, she deserves to be booked like the Greatest of All Time (in WWE), because she is.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 25, 2024 14:31:24 GMT -5
I wouldn't at all call Asuka's run a failure, but I'd say she's spent pretty much the entirety of it as a strong upper midcarder who's a fringe main-eventer when needed even though she's good enough that she should have been the face of the division.
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Post by HIM on Mar 25, 2024 14:53:21 GMT -5
While Goldberg is in the wrong and Asuka beating his "record" is great, this other Asuka talk in this thread is like every other mention of Asuka we've had these years on this forum. In regards to her run I'll be honest, I never take any of the complaints seriously. It always sounds like fans want her to dominate the entire division rather than appreciating what they have with her when she's not only booked better than most of the women on the roster but most of the men too. With all the belts, spotlight, wins, all this stuff under her to me it feels like a lot of the "Asuka complaints" that we see these days are amplified because of the fact that the Ls Asuka takes is by people others dislike aka Charlotte and Bianca. Like, Asuka's dope but we gotta look at what she's done and not complain about the small things she didn't get just because people love her. It's like people go OD hard for her booking and it's just weird because that in itself has taken a weird discourse in regards to other women on the roster. Now these days we get these women stan threads where it's less about reasonable criticism and more about "the Asuka Flow" which reminds me more of, I don't know, music talk. It's like that "(insert musician) should have gotten a Grammy this year" stuff. "No I don't care that they didn't win this award, they shoulda got AOTY." I don't get it. That "she could have been booked better omg I hate it" stuff can apply to 99% of the roster. Drew's world title run could have been better, Roman's run could have been better, Bray's run, Seth's run, Braun's run, all of em could have been booked better and yet when it comes to Asuka of all people it's like "no I know that but HER RUN REALLY COULDA BEEN BETTER" when really the reality is you can say that about damn near everyone on the roster and most of them have a better argument to be booked better than her. Nah, I'm not going to single her out when I can say the same thing about others who deserve more. Zelina Vega, Piper Niven, Shayna Bayzler, Mia Yim, yeah these people deserve better especially compared to Asuka. I wanna hear more about them deserving more. Shit, gimme Candice, she hasn't even gotten a fraction of what Asuka's gotten.
I'm fine with Asuka taking what she's gotten and never getting another major run again if we get any of these other women getting even 1 of her runs in the future.
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Post by Push R Truth on Mar 25, 2024 17:12:53 GMT -5
*yawn*
Somebody wake me when Goldberg bitches about R Truth having more title runs than him.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 25, 2024 17:25:39 GMT -5
Goldberg vs Rayback... book it. Place the match on the moon and neither man is allowed to come back. Sold.
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Post by Hypnosis on Mar 25, 2024 18:12:12 GMT -5
Goldberg vs Rayback... book it. Place the match on the moon and neither man is allowed to come back. Sold. Send Elon Musk with them.
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Post by hbkid718 on Mar 25, 2024 18:56:23 GMT -5
Goldberg is a joke. Asuka can wrestle circles around him. At least Asuka's undefeated streak was legit and not padded with wins that never happened. Goldberg would have like 5 extra wins between Thunder & the following Nitro but he only wrestled 2 house show matches in between. I get the sentiment here but is that even really a strong point to make? The streak was part of his story so who cares if they kayfabe’d the kayfabe. I know everything is scripted, but there should have been more legitimacy in his streak. If I was doing wins & losses then like I do now, I would have been angrier about it. Also, I never liked Goldberg to begin with, so I already have dislike for him even before this.
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Post by hbkid718 on Mar 25, 2024 18:59:37 GMT -5
And all of this doesn't even matter as technically Asuka was never undefeated in NXT. I know no one counts Battle Royals, as she wasn't pinned, but she did lose to Carmella. And if she didn't win the match, she lost. So, this whole thing is a waste of time.
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Post by bog on Mar 25, 2024 19:12:01 GMT -5
So what are you all saying, she’s a joke and her run so far is a total failure? Tell me I’m blowing your view on her booking out of proportion. No, a handful of people are having a conversation with varying opinions. Your voice does not have that much power.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 25, 2024 20:50:32 GMT -5
LOOK WHAT THIS f***ING GUY GOLDBERG DOES!
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Mar 25, 2024 23:19:14 GMT -5
LOOK WHAT THIS f***ING GUY BILL GOLDBERG DOES! Fixed to make it sound more like Bret.
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