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Post by SmashTV on Apr 26, 2023 12:44:20 GMT -5
Sometimes. If I’ve been making good progress on my own merits I feel like a bit of a fraud. That said, I justify by thinking that others have no doubt done the same, so why not?
In terms of my reaction when seeing how it’s done, I remember on one of the early Tomb Raider games you could only reach one platform by backflipping onto it. You’d not had to do this at any other point in the game, and so because there was no precedent it was a bit of a curveball.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 26, 2023 12:45:52 GMT -5
I've never seen an issue with it. Don't see any point in letting a minor hangup completely hold up continuing the game or break the momentum.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 26, 2023 12:47:14 GMT -5
I owned Castlevania 2 as a kid. The only thing I needed a guide for was the trick to get a tornado to take you to the next level. Everything else was obvious enough. Yep I was in 9th grade when Castlevania 2 came out and beat it over a weekend when I rented it. Yea got the crap ending but I beat it without a guide. I don't remember anyone finding it hard or whatever until the modern era. Kind of like how now people that were not around in the era will claim OH Yea ET worst Atari game ever. Not even close. It is a complicated game that you need to read the instruction book to figure out how to play it. But it is much better than piles of horrible 2600 games. The only people I know that beat it at the time were people that had big strategy guide from Nintendo power that went through most of the super cryptic clues, because hte game does not tell you what to do.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 26, 2023 12:48:14 GMT -5
I used to feel bad and then I played the Ace Attorney games and no longer cared. I love those games to pieces, but sometimes the leaps of logic are completely nonsensical or you get penalized for realizing things quicker than the game wants you to. Now, I don't care. I play games to have fun. I'll try a couple of times to figure something out and then look things up. Ace Attorney has a wealth of examples but I think the most frustrating one coming to mind for me is how in Spirit of Justice you're asked to prove Retinz had a motive to frame Trucy and for some reason presenting the contract about how she's at fault if anything goes wrong doesn't count and instead you have to present the clipboard it was on for some reason, and when you do Apollo first pulls out and talks about the contract anyway. SoJ has a lot of moments like that but I think that might be the most blatant.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 26, 2023 14:23:41 GMT -5
No, because having to look up solutions just means it's a badly designed game. Jedi Fallen Order, for example. What could anyone possibly need to look up in Jedi: Fallen Order? You might need to look up how to find all items, force echoes, and scannable objects if you are a completionist, but everything else is straightforward. In fact, it’s a little too linear and straightforward for a metroidvania game. Yeah, I can't think of anything really outlandish or obscure about JFO's level design that would be that much of a headache. Nothing a little exploration or process of elimination couldn't solve. The most annoying thing for me were the giant balls in the first Zeffo temple and even then, it's a pretty simple thing to figure out.
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Post by chrom on Apr 26, 2023 14:46:27 GMT -5
Yeah, bad translations back then lead to many a death. Such as the infamous Attack while Tail is up in FF7.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Apr 26, 2023 15:07:30 GMT -5
I try and avoid using a walkthrough, and just enjoy getting lost in games as much as possible. But, sometimes, especially with older games, you just have to.
I just finished up a playthrough of Tactics Ogre: Reborn and, while they did an admirable job with the remaster, there's still a fair amount of truly Guide Dangit stuff in there. You would not possibly be able to unlock characters like Cressida, Deneb (Wicce), and Azelstan without consulting a guide. I don't feel guilty at all using guides for things like that.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 26, 2023 15:37:24 GMT -5
No. I lived in an era where you might get a clue in Nintendo Power. So no guilt here.
2. Yes, for the same as above
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 26, 2023 17:00:49 GMT -5
No, because having to look up solutions just means it's a badly designed game. Jedi Fallen Order, for example. What could anyone possibly need to look up in Jedi: Fallen Order? You might need to look up how to find all items, force echoes, and scannable objects if you are a completionist, but everything else is straightforward. In fact, it’s a little too linear and straightforward for a metroidvania game. I wanted to play a Star Wars game, but it was often interrupted by a boring sub-game called "Move These Giant Balls".
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 26, 2023 22:27:12 GMT -5
What could anyone possibly need to look up in Jedi: Fallen Order? You might need to look up how to find all items, force echoes, and scannable objects if you are a completionist, but everything else is straightforward. In fact, it’s a little too linear and straightforward for a metroidvania game. Yeah, I can't think of anything really outlandish or obscure about JFO's level design that would be that much of a headache. Nothing a little exploration or process of elimination couldn't solve. The most annoying thing for me were the giant balls in the first Zeffo temple and even then, it's a pretty simple thing to figure out. As I’ve mentioned before, I typically only watch a playthrough on a section I’ve done before. I struggled with the timing of catching the last sphere. After I got it done, I watched a playthrough and felt like an idiot. You can slow the flying sphere, then push it into place. I was trying to push it into place by timing my push like I was playing stickball by myself.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Apr 26, 2023 23:14:37 GMT -5
As someone who plays a lot of JRPGs: no, I do not feel ashamed to look up hints and guides to help me, especially when the game is being vague about what to do next.
For example, I've been playing the Megaman Battle Network collection, and I tell you, that ElecMan dungeon... that F***ING ElecMan dungeon! How anyone was expected to get through that without either buying a guide or throwing their GameBoy Advance at the wall in pure apoplectic rage is beyond me.
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Post by Starshine on Apr 27, 2023 1:19:04 GMT -5
It's a game, it's only meant to be fun, there's no actual skill involved in most of this stuff. So, no, I don't really give a shit. If I'm enjoying the grind, then I'll stick with it, otherwise, I'd rather fast-track through the laborious bits and get back into the fun.
Though, I don't typically use walkthroughs in general because I find most games are pretty generous at giving you enough to know what to do, or where to go. It's just I get there's the also odd obscure puzzle or situation that needs more assitance. I.e. that f***ing donkey cart puzzle in Discworld.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 27, 2023 8:08:15 GMT -5
Yep I was in 9th grade when Castlevania 2 came out and beat it over a weekend when I rented it. Yea got the crap ending but I beat it without a guide. I don't remember anyone finding it hard or whatever until the modern era. Kind of like how now people that were not around in the era will claim OH Yea ET worst Atari game ever. Not even close. It is a complicated game that you need to read the instruction book to figure out how to play it. But it is much better than piles of horrible 2600 games. The only people I know that beat it at the time were people that had big strategy guide from Nintendo power that went through most of the super cryptic clues, because hte game does not tell you what to do. How old were yall back then? I was 14 or 15 and most of my friends were 15 or older. Yea I was up for 20 hours playing the game to beat it but just trial and error got thru it. Might have helped that from about 84 until 88 I mostly played computer games and some of those infocom and Sierra games were just oddd and obscure with solutions to puzzles.
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Post by Totorob101 on Apr 27, 2023 8:32:09 GMT -5
Professor Laytons games always make me look online,those puzzles are bloody hard man!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 9:00:38 GMT -5
No, as I'm pretty much exclusively a retro gamer, and many of those NES games were essentially designed to make you need to buy Nintendo Power.'
As for the " how could anyone ever possibly figure this out" moments, yes, on a regular basis.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Apr 27, 2023 9:46:34 GMT -5
Nope! I love to cheat whenever I can.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 27, 2023 10:19:35 GMT -5
Nope! I love to cheat whenever I can. I don’t like to cheat, but I LOVE to cheese. Like, sure I can and in the past beaten that enemy in a fair fight, but if I don’t have to have a fair fight it sometimes amuses me to cheese hard. “Oh, black knights can’t climb ladders or refuse to enter this cave? That mini-boss simply refuses to pass through this door? Sometimes the AI is stupid enough to charge at you despite the large hole you arranged to have between you? You have the ability to fly but will forget it if pushed off of a cliff? You won’t aggro until I get a set distance from you, allowing me to range kill you at no risk to myself? I couldn’t possibly pass those opportunities up!”
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 27, 2023 10:44:37 GMT -5
Nope! I love to cheat whenever I can.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Apr 27, 2023 12:31:55 GMT -5
I used to but as I got older with more responsibilities and less time to game I got less and less so. I’ll still try like the dickens to solve it on my own but if it’s getting to the point where I’m resenting the game then I’ll look for some help
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Post by Cyno on Apr 27, 2023 12:38:49 GMT -5
I had Game Genies and Gamesharks. I never really had a problem with cheating in single player games lol.
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