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Post by dbsot on Apr 19, 2024 14:33:04 GMT -5
I could be reading Zarian's comment wrong, but I think he was saying that if Smackdown leaves Friday than Collision could move to that slot. Otherwise, everything stays the same. My other feelings is if Collision moves to Friday, I think they pair it with Rampage. Similar to tomorrow's show.
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Post by eJm on Apr 19, 2024 15:29:35 GMT -5
I could be reading Zarian's comment wrong, but I think he was saying that if Smackdown leaves Friday than Collision could move to that slot. Otherwise, everything stays the same. My other feelings is if Collision moves to Friday, I think they pair it with Rampage. Similar to tomorrow's show. I believe it’s already said USA will keep Smackdown on Fridays.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 19, 2024 15:33:29 GMT -5
The NFL is becoming unavoidable because they're one of the few things on TV that actually pull in ratings reliably. But AEW also pulls in reliable ratings, and Collision even at its most depleted still might offer more for WBD than whatever Else they could put up against football on a Thursday or whatever. It'll be interesting to see, but part of Tony's loyalty is going to be serving the very specific kinds of needs that the network wants it to fulfill.
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Post by daaave on Apr 19, 2024 15:40:56 GMT -5
I really don't want AEW on back to back nights. Would be a bit much. Wednesday and Saturday is nice. But I get that might not best for ratings
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 19, 2024 15:58:51 GMT -5
I think the move is to combine rampage/collision into one 3 hour show and have it be very different from Dynamite. Not in a “cm punk booked all of this” different but… idk maybe not a full roster split but something that differentiates it. I don’t see any reason why a big 2nd show can’t be aew’s smackdown and do really well.
I think having rampage and collision separate kinda brings them both down
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Post by stan1337 on Apr 19, 2024 16:46:39 GMT -5
I think the move is to combine rampage/collision into one 3 hour show and have it be very different from Dynamite. Not in a “cm punk booked all of this” different but… idk maybe not a full roster split but something that differentiates it. I don’t see any reason why a big 2nd show can’t be aew’s smackdown and do really well. I think having rampage and collision separate kinda brings them both down You might be on to something. This past weekend the 3 hour block maintained it's viewers really well.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Apr 20, 2024 13:56:39 GMT -5
I think the move is to combine rampage/collision into one 3 hour show and have it be very different from Dynamite. Not in a “cm punk booked all of this” different but… idk maybe not a full roster split but something that differentiates it. I don’t see any reason why a big 2nd show can’t be aew’s smackdown and do really well. I think having rampage and collision separate kinda brings them both down It sure would do a lot to make that combined show seem more important, not to mention personally, I’m typically a less is more advocate.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 20, 2024 13:59:46 GMT -5
I think the move is to combine rampage/collision into one 3 hour show and have it be very different from Dynamite. Not in a “cm punk booked all of this” different but… idk maybe not a full roster split but something that differentiates it. I don’t see any reason why a big 2nd show can’t be aew’s smackdown and do really well. I think having rampage and collision separate kinda brings them both down It sure would do a lot to make that combined show seem more important, not to mention personally, I’m typically a less is more advocate. yep, combine the two and see if there is a desire for a longer AEW show as an alternative to Dynamite, like a reverse Raw/SD. gives the marketing department a clear goal of advertising two shows + PPV, different storylines for each show and now you have an extended show to fit in what is a crazy huge roster. can still bring in cool local and overseas talent but it would go a long way towards getting more people in the mix when they're not so haphazardly divided but divided on purpose.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Apr 20, 2024 14:15:18 GMT -5
It sure would do a lot to make that combined show seem more important, not to mention personally, I’m typically a less is more advocate. yep, combine the two and see if there is a desire for a longer AEW show as an alternative to Dynamite, like a reverse Raw/SD. gives the marketing department a clear goal of advertising two shows + PPV, different storylines for each show and now you have an extended show to fit in what is a crazy huge roster. can still bring in cool local and overseas talent but it would go a long way towards getting more people in the mix when they're not so haphazardly divided but divided on purpose. I’m so out of the loop on most wrestling in general, but what’s the current consensus on the 3 hours of Raw? Are WWE’s own fans still crapping on the length? Dynamite is 2 hours, correct? I wonder how a 3 hour TV show for AEW would bode with their audience.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 20, 2024 14:31:13 GMT -5
The three hour combo shows feel better paced than the average Raw when I was still watching those full-time. But there's a big difference between "three hour show once in awhile" and "weekly three hour show." I dunno if I'd do it.
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Post by eJm on Apr 20, 2024 14:50:42 GMT -5
The three hour combo shows feel better paced than the average Raw when I was still watching those full-time. But there's a big difference between "three hour show once in awhile" and "weekly three hour show." I dunno if I'd do it. It'd also depend on if that's what TBS/TNT want to happen. After Dynamite is usually NHL coverage when that's on and with how their sports stuff works, merging the two other shows doesn't mean that it won't be put to another day because of NBA, March Madness or the NHL (since they've decided they don't want original scripted programming for the time being) so it would just add more complications to the schedule. USA got three hour Raws because USA, at the time, had nothing else to put there besides Law and Order re-runs. The fact they're now trying to get back into scripted programming in a time other networks aren't is likely one of the reasons they're happy to trade Raw for Smackdown in the first place.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 20, 2024 15:00:06 GMT -5
yep, combine the two and see if there is a desire for a longer AEW show as an alternative to Dynamite, like a reverse Raw/SD. gives the marketing department a clear goal of advertising two shows + PPV, different storylines for each show and now you have an extended show to fit in what is a crazy huge roster. can still bring in cool local and overseas talent but it would go a long way towards getting more people in the mix when they're not so haphazardly divided but divided on purpose. I’m so out of the loop on most wrestling in general, but what’s the current consensus on the 3 hours of Raw? Are WWE’s own fans still crapping on the length? Dynamite is 2 hours, correct? I wonder how a 3 hour TV show for AEW would bode with their audience. i’d love to give a simple answer but unfortunately, it is very hard to with this one. if you’re a great booker which both TK/HHH can be at times, you’re getting more of what you want. a lot of Raws now fly by and people would be super grateful for the extra hour if not for some weeks where you can really feel stuff drag. personally I think AEW would be much better suited to a three hour so as opposed to WWE, who they themselves have said they’d rather have a two hour Raw but the USA Network keeps things as is and who can complain, it is working. with AEW, if they had a set in stone three hour show I have full confidence they’d be able to make it interesting but also allow for something I think wrestling needs more of, big time one night only spanning storylines. think full gear but better, I think they’d do stuff like that. basically 3 hours with effort? amazing. 3 hours of nothing happening? death
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 20, 2024 15:16:02 GMT -5
I haven't watched RAW in a long time and I'm fully willing to accept this isn't the case anymore, but back when I did watch it, it felt like a 2 hour show stretched to fill 3 hours. Too much filler, too many promos and matches that were long for the sake of being long. That was just a chore to get through and is one of the many reasons why I stopped.
The 3 hour AEW blocks feel like a genuinely 3 hour show so they're less of a chore. Nothing feels stretched out. Any long matches have a reason for being that length.
I'm not a fan of 3 hour shows as a weekly thing though.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Apr 20, 2024 15:19:58 GMT -5
I haven't watched RAW in a long time and I'm fully willing to accept this isn't the case anymore, but back when I did watch it, it felt like a 2 hour show stretched to fill 3 hours. Too much filler, too many promos and matches that were long for the sake of being long. That was just a chore to get through and is one of the many reasons why I stopped. It's still a problem some weeks.
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Post by Hypnosis on Apr 20, 2024 16:59:37 GMT -5
I haven't watched RAW in a long time and I'm fully willing to accept this isn't the case anymore, but back when I did watch it, it felt like a 2 hour show stretched to fill 3 hours. Too much filler, too many promos and matches that were long for the sake of being long. That was just a chore to get through and is one of the many reasons why I stopped. It's still a problem some weeks. Two commercial breaks in TV matches just takes time away from other people on the roster who I'd like to see more often.
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Post by KME on Apr 20, 2024 18:21:18 GMT -5
I always feel like Raw had two big issues with being 3 hours. One being it had waaaaaaaay too much filler, any time I ever turned it on it was either on an ad break or they were running some kind of wholly unnecessary video package to hype nothing in particular or to recap something that literally just happened or a long promo in between short, nothing matches. The other was that it was just a very bad product. Now it's better you don't see people having such an issue with it and quite a few Raw's seem to be received well. Having a shit show and then saying "add another hour on" is just going to make it even more unbearable. How people remained regular watchers in all the years of the 3 hour Raw's with very little good happening, Super Cena, rampant homophobia and misogyny, toilet humour, micro managed, horrific commentary, scripted promos, awful on air authority figures, the bastardisation of what their titles looked like, Hornswoggle being the big reveal for any mystery storyline they did and general Vince f***ery and misery booking all over the place I'll never know. Even when I was very much lapsing as a fan I much preferred Smackdown as there was simply less awfulness to stomach.
I don't want AEW to do 3 hour shows really but I'm sure they'd be perfectly good if they did as they already have an excellent product, don't really have much filler on their shows as a rule, have a load of guys who could use more TV time and a little extra time for stuff to breathe wouldn't hurt either. The occasions they do a 3 hour block usually fly by, same with PPV's, but that could be more that they're done few and far between. As I say my preference would be to steer clear of 3 hours, just harder to stay up for or make the time to catch up in the morning for me in the UK too.
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Post by Chiral on Apr 20, 2024 18:44:10 GMT -5
I think at least a soft brand split would be good for a Dynamite / Collision & Rampage split if for nothing else to have the roster know where they'll need to be and hopefully cut down on last minute calls. A brand split divided by day of the week availability rather than "Does CM Punk hate you" would work better too. I think it might be fun to at least try splitting the rosters and doing something hugely different with your other brand that again isn't just generally filtered through Punk's vision of wrestling. If Warner would get over their ROH disinterest I'd give the Collision/Rampage brand those belts. (though I don't have the aversion to brand splits that many do so YMMV)
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Post by raymondo316 on Apr 25, 2024 19:25:55 GMT -5
Many people have been saying the NBA TV deal will play a big part in what happens with AEW & Warner so this belongs here
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Post by eJm on Apr 29, 2024 9:52:52 GMT -5
Many people have been saying the NBA TV deal will play a big part in what happens with AEW & Warner so this belongs here
By all accounts, NBC really wants some NBA matches to put on USA and potentially Peacock and Amazon's also putting in an interest so I wouldn't be shocked if WBD puts themselves on a lower tier in the next bit of negotiations to try and get some games, leaving them more room to balance that, Inside and AEW in terms of tiers since, outside of College Basketball, those are the top programming on TNT/TBS at this point. Throwing this out there, too, with ClarkMania set to run wild, it'll be interesting if, say, Amazon/NBC don't get the NBA, they could turn to get stuff like the WNBA which has not only exploded in interest the last while but there's zero reason to think it won't be much more profitable in the long term. Heck, WBD could and make Candace Parker the vocal point considering her recent retirement leaving her free. It'll be way more interesting how it all turns out, especially since we're talking about a company that needs to cut costs without losing marketability (WBD), a company with money to burn to boost their streaming (Amazon) and a company that somehow isn't looking as rough as its contemporaries in the last few years (Comcast). And going back on topic, if NBA matches are decreased, the only people to benefit the most is AEW. WBD loves their success, wants to do more for them and has more wiggle room to do that instead of moving them around repeatedly.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 29, 2024 9:54:42 GMT -5
WBD not keeping any of the NBA would be bizarre. When would the last time be that there was no NBA on TNT?
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