Taylor swift writes songs about X BF jokes

[Lance Uppercut]

Isn’t that what everyone does? Especially those who specialize in love songs?

I don’t know why she seems to get the brunt of these jokes. Some of her most popular songs weren’t about guys, it was just about enjoying her life or what a mess she is. Or her mom.

Did she make a song where it was ridiculously obvious who she was talking about or something where there was too much Info and all cringey or something?

[Cranjis McBasketball]

This is the explain it like I'm 5 portion of FAN

Explain this woman to me. Her appeal in any manner. People are f***ing obsessed with her and in a frightening way. You could throw a rock in a crowd and hit a chick who is at least as attractive and can play guitar half-assed.

Did she just come in the right time? Cause she seems to me, if she were my age, she'd be mid-bill at Lilth Fair and long since forgotten, like everyone who played Lilth Fair.

[Mozenrath]

It's a dated joke I thankfully see less of these days, since yeah, writing songs about exes isn't remotely unique, and isn't even most of her singles, or even most of her top hits.

[ace]

Jun 26, 2023 0:01:19 GMT -5 Lance Uppercut said:

Isn’t that what everyone does? Especially those who specialize in love songs?

They aren’t as good or successful at it.  When someone becomes that big a star and the work is that good…people have to find something to target.  

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Jun 26, 2023 0:09:37 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

It's a dated joke I thankfully see less of these days, since yeah, writing songs about exes isn't remotely unique, and isn't even most of her singles, or even most of her top hits.

She seems like one of the most inauthentic, manufactured things since the 2000's. Something isn't right with that woman.

[Lance Uppercut]

Jun 26, 2023 0:11:20 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

Jun 26, 2023 0:09:37 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

It's a dated joke I thankfully see less of these days, since yeah, writing songs about exes isn't remotely unique, and isn't even most of her singles, or even most of her top hits.

She seems like one of the most inauthentic, manufactured things since the 2000's. Something isn't right with that woman.

Well now she comes off like that, but when she started, you could totally see the appeal and she came off a lot more genuine.

The conversion to pop singer, something was lost, but you could still hear it when she redid all her old songs last year

[Mozenrath]

Jun 26, 2023 0:07:54 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

This is the explain it like I'm 5 portion of FAN

Explain this woman to me. Her appeal in any manner. People are f***ing obsessed with her and in a frightening way. You could throw a rock in a crowd and hit a chick who is at least as attractive and can play guitar half-assed.

Did she just come in the right time? Cause she seems to me, if she were my age, she'd be mid-bill at Lilth Fair and long since forgotten, like everyone who played Lilth Fair.

A lot of it is a successful marketing and crafting of an image. She seems to have a knack for avoiding pitfalls or leaning on gimmicks in a way that burned people out on Miley Cyrus or other big stars that got white-hot and cooled off just as fast once a gimmick outlived its life cycle.

Like, I dig her well enough, but I absolutely see where that wouldn't resonate with certain people, and yeah, a lot of it is right place, right time, along with knowing what moves to make and how to look doing it. Like, it'd be naive to think there isn't a lot of business savvy behind a lot of it. It also probably helps give her a certain level of authenticity that she writes her songs that a lot of pop songstress types don't get. Singer-songwriter types aren't unheard of, obviously, but a lot of them lack lasting pop appeal, or come off more detached, while Taylor's managed to give people this image of approachability that is well-curated.

It's sort of like if you compared George Harrison and Ringo Starr, on the last bit. Both were rich as hell and superstars, but the latter had an approachability the other really didn't put out there, so Ringo enjoyed more solo success, at least to a point. It can endear people to an artist in a big way.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Jun 26, 2023 0:15:19 GMT -5 Lance Uppercut said:

Jun 26, 2023 0:11:20 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

She seems like one of the most inauthentic, manufactured things since the 2000's. Something isn't right with that woman.

Well now she comes off like that, but when she started, you could totally see the appeal and she came off a lot more genuine.

The conversion to pop singer, something was lost, but you could still hear it when she redid all her old songs last year

That's part of the manufacturing. Her "owning her masters". She doesn't. She covered herself. It's not a self-own, but it's not a f*** you either.

Every last thing this woman does feels like a calculated manipulation.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Jun 26, 2023 0:19:06 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Jun 26, 2023 0:07:54 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

This is the explain it like I'm 5 portion of FAN

Explain this woman to me. Her appeal in any manner. People are f***ing obsessed with her and in a frightening way. You could throw a rock in a crowd and hit a chick who is at least as attractive and can play guitar half-assed.

Did she just come in the right time? Cause she seems to me, if she were my age, she'd be mid-bill at Lilth Fair and long since forgotten, like everyone who played Lilth Fair.

A lot of it is a successful marketing and crafting of an image. She seems to have a knack for avoiding pitfalls or leaning on gimmicks in a way that burned people out on Miley Cyrus or other big stars that got white-hot and cooled off just as fast once a gimmick outlived its life cycle.

Like, I dig her well enough, but I absolutely see where that wouldn't resonate with certain people, and yeah, a lot of it is right place, right time, along with knowing what moves to make and how to look doing it. Like, it'd be naive to think there isn't a lot of business savvy behind a lot of it. It also probably helps give her a certain level of authenticity that she writes her songs that a lot of pop songstress types don't get. Singer-songwriter types aren't unheard of, obviously, but a lot of them lack lasting pop appeal, or come off more detached, while Taylor's managed to give people this image of approachability that is well-curated.

It's sort of like if you compared George Harrison and Ringo Starr, on the last bit. Both were rich as hell and superstars, but the latter had an approachability the other really didn't put out there, so Ringo enjoyed more solo success, at least to a point. It can endear people to an artist in a big way.

I feel like as the morning breaks, I'll be attacked by her insane fanbase that seems to lurk everywhere. That said, you haven't convinced me, with your concise and polite reply, that she isn't just product.

And Day One product. Aerosmith is my favorite band, but they've been product since the year Taylor Swift was born.

There's something entirely off about her. It's not the Madonna "Me too, right guys?" Slow down Madonna you're 80 now and that plastic face isn't fooling anyone.

[El Pollo Guerrera]

Taylor Swift writes songs about her exes.

Stevie Nicks writes songs about her exes and then makes her exes perform them on albums and in concerts.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Jun 26, 2023 0:29:37 GMT -5 El Pollo Guerrera said:

Taylor Swift writes songs about her exes.

Stevie Nicks writes songs about her exes and then makes her exes perform them on albums and in concerts.

Uh, like I've said by asking questions earlier in the thread, but I read a lot online and I'm pretty sure Taylor Swift is the first female to ever play a guitar or write a song or have a hit.

[schma]

Jun 26, 2023 0:11:20 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

Jun 26, 2023 0:09:37 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

It's a dated joke I thankfully see less of these days, since yeah, writing songs about exes isn't remotely unique, and isn't even most of her singles, or even most of her top hits.

She seems like one of the most inauthentic, manufactured things since the 2000's. Something isn't right with that woman.

The vast majority of musicians are manufactured to an extent though if they see any success. Certainly it's much more visible in say pop music, but it's there for most known performers. Her image is carefully crafted and she does strike me as someone who holds a grudge and wants to be surrounded by if not sychophants, then people who believe she's awesome. That said, a lot of the songs she has written strike a chord with people and like the few pop acts that show genuine longevity, she has known when and how to change her sound to remain relevant. Her Swifties are a whole other case. I don't understand that level of hero worship for anyone. However, there are some of her songs from early in her career that see just as much play in my lists as more authentic stars. I don't enjoy all of her music, but I do like a fair chunk of it.

I doubt anyone here is going to really disagree with your comments of her being inauthentic or manufactured, but there is still something in all of that that's worthwhile.

[Mozenrath]

Jun 26, 2023 0:24:34 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

Jun 26, 2023 0:19:06 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

A lot of it is a successful marketing and crafting of an image. She seems to have a knack for avoiding pitfalls or leaning on gimmicks in a way that burned people out on Miley Cyrus or other big stars that got white-hot and cooled off just as fast once a gimmick outlived its life cycle.

Like, I dig her well enough, but I absolutely see where that wouldn't resonate with certain people, and yeah, a lot of it is right place, right time, along with knowing what moves to make and how to look doing it. Like, it'd be naive to think there isn't a lot of business savvy behind a lot of it. It also probably helps give her a certain level of authenticity that she writes her songs that a lot of pop songstress types don't get. Singer-songwriter types aren't unheard of, obviously, but a lot of them lack lasting pop appeal, or come off more detached, while Taylor's managed to give people this image of approachability that is well-curated.

It's sort of like if you compared George Harrison and Ringo Starr, on the last bit. Both were rich as hell and superstars, but the latter had an approachability the other really didn't put out there, so Ringo enjoyed more solo success, at least to a point. It can endear people to an artist in a big way.

I feel like as the morning breaks, I'll be attacked by her insane fanbase that seems to lurk everywhere. That said, you haven't convinced me, with your concise and polite reply, that she isn't just product.

And Day One product. Aerosmith is my favorite band, but they've been product since the year Taylor Swift was born.

There's something entirely off about her. It's not the Madonna "Me too, right guys?" Slow down Madonna you're 80 now and that plastic face isn't fooling anyone.

Oh, I am not figuring it'd make a fan of you or anything, just me saying that, even as someone who can enjoy her to a degree, I do think there are absolutely cynical reasons for her success, same as anyone else would need for this level of sustained push. Like, a lot of what I said absolutely applies to Beyonce, too, though for her, the circumstances are different and so is her public image. Still, she gives people what they feel like is a personal connection, inspiring a fanatic level of support, while people at her talent level can't come anywhere near her success because they don't have the same machine behind them.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Jun 26, 2023 0:41:47 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Jun 26, 2023 0:24:34 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

I feel like as the morning breaks, I'll be attacked by her insane fanbase that seems to lurk everywhere. That said, you haven't convinced me, with your concise and polite reply, that she isn't just product.

And Day One product. Aerosmith is my favorite band, but they've been product since the year Taylor Swift was born.

There's something entirely off about her. It's not the Madonna "Me too, right guys?" Slow down Madonna you're 80 now and that plastic face isn't fooling anyone.

Oh, I am not figuring it'd make a fan of you or anything, just me saying that, even as someone who can enjoy her to a degree, I do think there are absolutely cynical reasons for her success, same as anyone else would need for this level of sustained push. Like, a lot of what I said absolutely applies to Beyonce, too, though for her, the circumstances are different and so is her public image. Still, she gives people what they feel like is a personal connection, inspiring a fanatic level of support, while people at her talent level can't come anywhere near her success because they don't have the same machine behind them.

Everyone is giving me nice and polite responses that all amount to "people like it", which applies to everything. I have Charles Manson's album. What is the cult-like devotion to this woman?

[Cranjis McBasketball]

So, I'll shoot you all straight. I see her in two lights. One is people is thinking she's the greatest musician who ever lived and guys who say shit like they can't stop jerking off to her, no matter how hard they try. And my response to both of those feelings is, "Eh". She's fine. She writes her own music and she's pretty, but...eh. That's at least a million women.

[chrom]

Somebody who just comes off as plain unlikable with how they play the victim card and with a chip on their shoulder.

[ace]

Should have expected what this thread became. That’s on me.

[JasonVoorhees1988]

Jun 26, 2023 0:50:30 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

So, I'll shoot you all straight. I see her in two lights. One is people is thinking she's the greatest musician who ever lived and guys who say shit like they can't stop jerking off to her, no matter how hard they try. And my response to both of those feelings is, "Eh". She's fine. She writes her own music and she's pretty, but...eh. That's at least a million women.

If you don't get it... You don't get it.

I don't get things sometimes. But she's pretty, she's so popular, and she writes catchy music.

And honestly as soon as a musician takes a single dollar for their music, they're a product.

[schma]

Jun 26, 2023 0:50:30 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

So, I'll shoot you all straight. I see her in two lights. One is people is thinking she's the greatest musician who ever lived and guys who say shit like they can't stop jerking off to her, no matter how hard they try. And my response to both of those feelings is, "Eh". She's fine. She writes her own music and she's pretty, but...eh. That's at least a million women.

There are a large number of more famous and celebrated than they should be celebrities, there's a few that leave me wondering why they're as big as they are. Entertainment is not a meritocracy. We're not obsessed with her, I've never jacked off to her. I don't think any of us can give you what you're looking for. You seem to have a specific answer in mind and it's not here.

[schma]

Jun 26, 2023 0:01:19 GMT -5 Lance Uppercut said:

Isn’t that what everyone does? Especially those who specialize in love songs?

I don’t know why she seems to get the brunt of these jokes. Some of her most popular songs weren’t about guys, it was just about enjoying her life or what a mess she is. Or her mom.

Did she make a song where it was ridiculously obvious who she was talking about or something where there was too much Info and all cringey or something?

Back on the original topic it was a combination of factors. One was her youth when she first rose to fame. She also had several public relationships and there is still a strong stream of puritanism that runs through American culture. As such, many of her biggest critics decided she had had too many boyfriends and thus deserved to be taken to task for it.

She certainly had some pointed songs about ex's but like you say, most stars have. Hell people have done entire albums to deal with breakups, some quite famously. But, I think it was her youth, the number of boyfriends and the fact that she was media savvy and always in the spotlight that allowed this crap to really stick. I don't see it as often any more though.