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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jun 26, 2023 19:35:55 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for her "A Modest Proposal" heel turn musical era.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 27, 2023 7:07:29 GMT -5
I'll admit, I just recently had a conversation about this during a family dinner; just about everyone in my family is in music in some way, shape, or form as a career or hobby, and given that Swift had just been through our area during her tour I ended up commenting that while there's nothing wrong with having fun with and really enjoying pop music, what always strikes me as odd is when a huge pop act releases a new album and the press reviews for it will act like there's all this complexity and meaning to what are ultimately tunes that were largely fine-tuned through a "what will sell best?" formula and often are not written with any sort of real personal input from the pop star his/herself (though Swift does seem more involved in the writing part of things than many others).
Again, that's not to say that a listener can't find something real to connect with in a pop star's work; what we take from art, whether "deep" or pop in sensibility, is subjective and often dictated by the time/place/circumstances we experience it under. But there does seem to be a push at times to attribute much more to what's under the hood on a lot of this material and to make pop stars into icons that represent more than what they are: very talented people who make fun songs that it's fun to sing and dance along to, which there should be no shame in being.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 27, 2023 7:36:58 GMT -5
I enjoyed her 1989 album. I thought that was a really strong pop album and even went to see her live on that tour (6* in the Tokyo Dome!) Outside of that though, I think I like around four songs and that's it. Whenever she releases a new album I give it a try in the hope that it'll be as good as 1989 and it never is for me. I could not care less whether the lyrics are made up or autobiographical.
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Post by schma on Jun 27, 2023 8:26:52 GMT -5
So, I just looked up her discography and I am way out of the loop. Last album of hers I owned was Speak Now and I know the hits off the next 2 or 3 albums and the rest is a blank space. Guess I'll check them out at some point, though I think I listened to her most recent album and it wasn't really my thing.
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Jun 27, 2023 15:06:00 GMT -5
At work I hear a lot of her Red and 1989 albums. As for the topic on hand, Mick Jagger had a lot of relationships, so did Prince, so did a majority of prominent musicians.
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Post by schma on Jun 27, 2023 20:59:08 GMT -5
At work I hear a lot of her Red and 1989 albums. As for the topic on hand, Mick Jagger had a lot of relationships, so did Prince, so did a majority of prominent musicians. Yes, but they were guys, so that makes them more desirable, unlike promiscuous women who are less desirable because of double standards. A lot of people truly would in one breath praise promiscuous guys and condemn promiscuous women. The bar for what is considered promiscuous by them is also much lower for women than for men.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jun 28, 2023 8:03:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I would be more insulted if she wrote a song about me or didn't write a song about me when we broke up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2023 9:29:11 GMT -5
Taylor is frustrating because she actually is a very capable songwriter who can be thought provoking, at least by pop standards.
Emphasis on the "can" part of that, however, as TayTay usually opts for lowest common denominator schlock because it's gonna build her empire faster.
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